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1:16pm Monday 28th September 2009 in
AT least two of the men injured in Saturday's mass brawl in Epping High Street were stabbed, the Guardian can reveal.
More details are emerging today about the large-scale fight, which is believed to have started outside nightspots Club One9Five and The Edge at around 2.25am.
Police have now said a total of 13 men had to be taken to hospital following the mayhem, even more than previously believed.
And the Guardian understands at least two of those were stabbed.
Officers have confirmed there were a "number of knife injuries" but have been unable to say exactly how many.
A police spokesman added that those taken to hospital were treated for a mixture of wounds and lacerations caused by a "variety of weapons."
Many more "walking wounded" were also hurt, but did not need hospital treatment.
It is thought at least 20 men were involved.
Some people have also contacted the Guardian claiming a group of men arrived at the scene in a van and were armed with knives and screwdrivers, although this has not been confirmed by police.
The status of two men who suffered "serious" injuries in the incident is currently unknown, but the emergency services are expected to provide an update on their condition later today.
MOTHER - MY SON'S FACE NEEDED 20 STITCHES
A mother of one of those injured, who did not wish to be named, said her son had needed 20 stitches to his face after being hit by a bottle in the chaos.
She said: “He's got a cut right down his cheek all the way to his mouth. And he's got to go back to hospital again because his eye is in a bad way.
“He doesn't remember much of what happened. He was just out having a drink with some friends from Walthamstow celebrating a birthday when he got hit on the back of the head. It is very worrying that something like this could happen, especially if knives were involved.”
The woman said police had taken some of her son's clothes for forensic work as part of their investigation, and had yet to return them.
Officers remained at the scene for most of Saturday carrying out further investigatory work, and their enquiries are still on-going today.
AMBULANCE SERVICE - THREE WERE INJURED IN THE NECK
A spokeswoman for the East of England Ambulance Service said: "We received several emergency calls to the High Street from 2.28am, and our first resource was on scene in about four minutes with five other crews and a manager appearing to have been dispatched as well.
"At least three [of those injured] suffered neck injuries, at least two suffered facial injuries, [and] one patient was described as having been unconscious.
"Some patients were taken to Princess Alexandra Hospital in Harlow, others were taken to Whipps Cross Hospital in Leytonstone.
"[This was] a very involved incident which needed a great deal of liaison with police on scene, and receiving hospitals, to ensure patients were dealt with as safely and quickly as possible."
Many of those injured are thought to be from Walthamstow and Chingford in East London, and aged in their early to mid 20s.
POLICE LAUNCH APPEAL FOR WITNESSES
Meanwhile the 46-year-old man from Harlow who was arrested following the fighting has been bailed by police until December 21.
He had been arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm.
Police have also today launched an appeal for witness to the brawl, which they are describing as a “large-scale disorder”.
Anyone with any information about the incident, which happened at around 2.25am on Saturday September 26, is urged to contact Harlow CID on 0300 333 4444.
Did you see what happened? Contact reporter Daniel Binns on 0779 547 6625 or via email at dbinns@london.newsquest.co.uk
Comments(29)
lukegowing
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3:33pm Mon 28 Sep 09
Keefie
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7:13pm Mon 28 Sep 09
ConcernedofLoughton
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8:08pm Mon 28 Sep 09
Morris Hickey
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11:07pm Mon 28 Sep 09
Keefie wrote:You need to get out more often.
Debden !!!!!! How on earth can you include Debden. You really haven't got a clue.
Epping Res
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11:39pm Mon 28 Sep 09
Sleuthy
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8:33am Tue 29 Sep 09
chingford20
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9:22am Tue 29 Sep 09
Johnny Boy
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10:42am Tue 29 Sep 09
chingford20 wrote:As you previously stated they appear to remember a van turning up with persons armed with knives and screwdrivers !!!
its got nothing to do with the area it happened,fact is it did and to my friends. everyone who was there cant remember a thing, and probly think they were drugged and the whole thing was planned. it was a racist attack blacks against whites-god knows why, thought racist issues were behind us now!wonder why they have a problem with white people? oh yeah, how can the whitnesses come forward when none of them can remember a thing? very strange if u ask me......dodgy place......
Epping Res
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11:12am Tue 29 Sep 09
ConcernedofLoughton
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11:24am Tue 29 Sep 09
lukegowing
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11:43am Tue 29 Sep 09
ConcernedofLoughton wrote:both were quiet country towns, totally unsuitable for late licence clubs, not enough policing to cope, virtual free for all
What is it with this part of essex recently, Loughton and Epping both in the news for violence last weekend and we have seen mass brawls in the area before (the Academy).
Maurice Stoker
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2:03pm Tue 29 Sep 09
ConcernedofLoughton
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3:09pm Tue 29 Sep 09
Keefie
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5:09pm Tue 29 Sep 09
Morris Hickey
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7:03pm Tue 29 Sep 09
Keefie wrote:Keefie baby. Do yourself a little research and you will find out the significant differences between the criteria for approval under the Licensing Act 2003, and the much tougher ones that applied previously.
Thanks EppingRes thats exactly what I mean't. Debden is not perfect, but it's hardly noted for it's late night drinking establishments and outpourings of drunken clubbers !!!!! Also, can someone tell me how changing the licensing laws back to how they were would have any effect at all ? Clubs have always been allowed to open late even prior to '24 hour drinking' and I've put that in quotes as thats a complete myth usually bandied around by Nimbies and people like Morris Hickey.
Keefie
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6:30pm Wed 30 Sep 09
Morris Hickey
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8:34pm Wed 30 Sep 09
Keefie wrote:So, despite your personal jibe we are probably not far apart.
Well Morris, I'm actually refering to the October 2005 changes to the licensing act which introduced the mythical '24 Hour Drinking' culture. So please do your research.
barbara levine
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10:29pm Wed 30 Sep 09
NU BAR LOUGHTON
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1:19am Thu 1 Oct 09
Johnny Boy
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10:52am Thu 1 Oct 09
NU BAR LOUGHTON
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12:04pm Thu 1 Oct 09
Malcolm Yeoman
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12:20pm Thu 1 Oct 09
NU BAR LOUGHTON wrote:I think you do protest too much?
NU BAR DOES NOT 'OPENLY' ALLOW THE TAKING OF ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ANYWHERE ON ITS LICENSED PREMISES.......DOOR SECURITY STAFF CHECK THE TOILETS EVERY 10 MINS...........IN FACT 3 MONTHS AGO A POLICE OPERATION ON 5 VENUES IN LOUGHTON INCLUDING NU BAR , RESULTED IN NOT ONE PERSON BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION OR EVEN HAVING BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A SUBSTANCE...( THERE WAS 160 PEOPLE IN NU BAR AT THE TIME)
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EVEN THE POLICE SAID THIS WAS AN AMAZING RESULT CONSIDERING THE STATISTICS OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE DRUG IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY.
ANY ISSUES YOU FEEL NEED ADDRESSING AT NU BAR FEEL FREE TO CALL MYSELF ADAM BROOKS ON 07909500755
Johnny Boy
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12:25pm Thu 1 Oct 09
ConcernedofLoughton
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1:13pm Thu 1 Oct 09
Morris Hickey
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1:45pm Thu 1 Oct 09
NU BAR LOUGHTON wrote:"..... not one person being caught in possession....". Of course not! The two most important words are "in possession"! The users are probably cunning enough to stash their supply away somewhere on the premises. Did the fuzz bring a sniffer dog with them?
NU BAR DOES NOT 'OPENLY' ALLOW THE TAKING OF ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ANYWHERE ON ITS LICENSED PREMISES.......DOOR SECURITY STAFF CHECK THE TOILETS EVERY 10 MINS...........IN FACT 3 MONTHS AGO A POLICE OPERATION ON 5 VENUES IN LOUGHTON INCLUDING NU BAR , RESULTED IN NOT ONE PERSON BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION OR EVEN HAVING BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A SUBSTANCE...( THERE WAS 160 PEOPLE IN NU BAR AT THE TIME) . EVEN THE POLICE SAID THIS WAS AN AMAZING RESULT CONSIDERING THE STATISTICS OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE DRUG IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY. ANY ISSUES YOU FEEL NEED ADDRESSING AT NU BAR FEEL FREE TO CALL MYSELF ADAM BROOKS ON 07909500755
NU BAR LOUGHTON
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2:07pm Thu 1 Oct 09
Larry Green
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8:52pm Thu 1 Oct 09
Malcolm Yeoman wrote:i think he has made a fair point, and has had the 'cojones' to put his telephone number on his posts, more than all of us who hide behind alias's and the like.
NU BAR LOUGHTON wrote: NU BAR DOES NOT 'OPENLY' ALLOW THE TAKING OF ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ANYWHERE ON ITS LICENSED PREMISES.......DOOR SECURITY STAFF CHECK THE TOILETS EVERY 10 MINS...........IN FACT 3 MONTHS AGO A POLICE OPERATION ON 5 VENUES IN LOUGHTON INCLUDING NU BAR , RESULTED IN NOT ONE PERSON BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION OR EVEN HAVING BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A SUBSTANCE...( THERE WAS 160 PEOPLE IN NU BAR AT THE TIME) . EVEN THE POLICE SAID THIS WAS AN AMAZING RESULT CONSIDERING THE STATISTICS OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE DRUG IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY. ANY ISSUES YOU FEEL NEED ADDRESSING AT NU BAR FEEL FREE TO CALL MYSELF ADAM BROOKS ON 07909500755I think you do protest too much?
Johnny Boy
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12:09am Fri 2 Oct 09
NU BAR LOUGHTON wrote:Come now Mr Brooks, 5 venues including yours were targeted by the police, have you asked yourself why ???
NU BAR DOES NOT 'OPENLY' ALLOW THE TAKING OF ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ANYWHERE ON ITS LICENSED PREMISES.......DOOR SECURITY STAFF CHECK THE TOILETS EVERY 10 MINS...........IN FACT 3 MONTHS AGO A POLICE OPERATION ON 5 VENUES IN LOUGHTON INCLUDING NU BAR , RESULTED IN NOT ONE PERSON BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION OR EVEN HAVING BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A SUBSTANCE...( THERE WAS 160 PEOPLE IN NU BAR AT THE TIME) . EVEN THE POLICE SAID THIS WAS AN AMAZING RESULT CONSIDERING THE STATISTICS OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE DRUG IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY. ANY ISSUES YOU FEEL NEED ADDRESSING AT NU BAR FEEL FREE TO CALL MYSELF ADAM BROOKS ON 07909500755
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Morris Hickey says...
3:05pm Mon 28 Sep 09