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EPPING FOREST: MP says she 'can't be confident' of winning crucial party vote


EPPING Forest MP Eleanor Laing has admitted she “can't be confident” of winning a vote of support from Tory party members at a crunch meeting to decide her political future.

The under-fire parliamentarian, who has faced a storm of criticism over her expenses claims, faces the Epping Forest Conservative Association this coming Monday (October 26) for a vote of confidence.

If Ms Laing loses the poll, she will not stand again as party candidate for the seat, and her political career will effectively be over.

If she wins, the MP hopes it will draw a line under the controversy surrounding her expenses and help achieve her ambition of continuing to be MP for the district for “many years to come.”

Speaking to the Guardian ahead of the meeting Ms Laing said she was touched by the “many letters and emails and calls” of support, but refused to say whether she expected to win the vote or not.

She said: “I can't be confident because I don't know who's going to attend the meeting. I can only hope that the work that I've done in the 12 years I've been a member of parliament will be recognised.

“I'm always very pleased to have the opportunity to meet party members directly and set the record straight.

“But very much depends on who manages to get to the meeting because some of my strongest supporters happen to be out of the country at the moment.

“I don't know who will come to the meeting.”

Ms Laing last week repaid £25,000 to the taxpayer as a “moral gesture” over the expenses issue, and was recently told by auditer Sir Thomas Legg that she need not repay any of her claims, unlike hundreds of other MPs.

Party members in the district have all been sent a letter by Ms Laing which says “We are now on the threshold of a Conservative victory...Our Party works best when we are united.

“We should not be fighting one another – we have a common enemy that must be defeated. I really need your support to go forward together to win that battle here in Epping Forest.”

For the result of next week's meeting visit guardian-series.co.uk

"FIVE MONTHS OF PRESSURE"

Ms Laing has faced what she describes as "five months of pressure" surrounding her expenses claims.

She insists she has done nothing wrong and has always acted within the rules, and no public body has found her guilty of any wrong doing.

The Daily Telegraph newspaper revealed in May that Ms Laing has claimed more than £80,000 of taxpayers' money towards mortage interest and service payments on her second home allowance for a flat in Westminister – even though she lives less than an hour away from Parliament.

The money was claimed under MPs' Additional Cost Allowance (ACA), which is designed to be used by MPs that need a second home to carry out their Westminster work.

Ms Laing's critics argue it was wrong of her to claim on the ACA on her Westminster Flat when she could have commuted to Parliament from her home in the district.

Additionally, when she came to sell the flats she avoided a £180,000 capital gains tax bill by telling the Inland Revenue it was her main home – despite previously telling Parliament it was her second home, although this is allowed under special rules for MPs set by the financial body.

Ms Laing says she declared the Westminster flat as her second home when she first became MP 12 years ago, and "didn't think" about changing the status when she came to sell them because the rules allow MPs to declare different homes as primary and secondary residences to difference bodies, and that it was "not an issue" at the time.

Ms Laing says she will still have to pay the tax when she sells her Theydon Bois home.

Ms Laing told the Daily Telegraph when the story broke that “the definition of principal private residence for Capital Gains Tax purposes is not a matter of choice but a matter of fact.”

The rules stipulate that MPs can choose which home they consider to be their primary or secondary residence. Ms Laing says the status of her Westminster flat was a “fact” because she spent the most time there.

Correction: the meeting is on Monday October 26, not Monday October 29 as previously reported.

Comments(13)

Morris Hickey says...
9:24pm Tue 20 Oct 09

Next Monday is 26 October - 29 October is Thursday next week. Could the Guardian please clarify which it is?

Toby Bligh says...
11:59pm Tue 20 Oct 09

Morris Hickey wrote:
Next Monday is 26 October - 29 October is Thursday next week. Could the Guardian please clarify which it is?
Irrelevant.

She is making the right noises and I would bet a tidy sum that she is deselected. The whole episode of tax avoidance stinks and is more pungent in the noses of people who over the past years have paid their Tax with glee.

Dave26 says...
8:28am Wed 21 Oct 09

Have to agree with Toby. She'll do anything to hang onto the rest of the money she owes and the Parliamentary perks she'll get by standing down, instead of being sacked by Cameron, (as she should have been).

Debdenite says...
10:46am Wed 21 Oct 09

I think she is pursuing a tactic of talking down her prospects, knowing that she has a good chance of surviving the vote of confidence. She can then come out of it feeling victorious and completely vindicated. If she does, the reputation of the local Conservative Association will be in tatters, despite the fact that those wishing to oust her are leading Conservative councillors on the district council. It could significantly damage the strength of the Conservative administration at Epping Forest, which will be defending seats at the time of the general election.

This says it all: "She insists she has done nothing wrong and has always acted within the rules"
There are plenty of people who operate within the rules - or at the limits of the law - but do things that are considered by most people to be immoral (eg bankers' bonuses and wheel-clamping mafias). Laing has not yet been found to have acted against the rules (although there are other investigations going on, such as HMRC's examination of MPs' tax-avoidance), but most people find that she has acted against the spirit of the rules and has only got away with it because she and other legislators have used ensured that MPs are privileged in a way that the average person is not. They have used their legislative role to enrich themselves. Laing is part of the problem, having voted against reform of expenses that would have allowed them to be transparent and audited. Moreover, she is refusing to answer constituents' correspondence on the issue of her expenses. No matter what money she pays to keep her job, her position is untenable. We simply cannot trust such a self-serving and arrogant politician.

Morris Hickey says...
10:50am Wed 21 Oct 09

Toby Bligh wrote:
Morris Hickey wrote: Next Monday is 26 October - 29 October is Thursday next week. Could the Guardian please clarify which it is?
Irrelevant. She is making the right noises and I would bet a tidy sum that she is deselected. The whole episode of tax avoidance stinks and is more pungent in the noses of people who over the past years have paid their Tax with glee.
Irrelevant? No, not really. I simply want to know whether to look forward eagerly to Tuesday's papers or Friday's. It would also be nice for the local Guardian to get the fatcs right.

Paulgertie says...
12:57pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Maybe at last Ms. Laing is realising that people are angry about about what she has done. She may keep harping on that she acted within the rules, but maybe the electorate think the rules the MPs made are wrong. Paying back £25,000 as a "moral gesture", then constantly saying she did nothing wrong is sickening.
She voted against us seeing details of her expenses last September and when I questioned her as to why at the time she had no answer.
David Cameron said in July that anyone on his front bench who didn't pay back the money would go, hence her "moral gesture".
Let's not forget even if the Conservative Party de-select her she only has to carry as an independent until the election and she collects a nice big severance pay and retirement bundle.

Toby Bligh says...
1:36pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Paulgertie wrote:
Maybe at last Ms. Laing is realising that people are angry about about what she has done. She may keep harping on that she acted within the rules, but maybe the electorate think the rules the MPs made are wrong. Paying back £25,000 as a "moral gesture", then constantly saying she did nothing wrong is sickening.
She voted against us seeing details of her expenses last September and when I questioned her as to why at the time she had no answer.
David Cameron said in July that anyone on his front bench who didn't pay back the money would go, hence her "moral gesture".
Let's not forget even if the Conservative Party de-select her she only has to carry as an independent until the election and she collects a nice big severance pay and retirement bundle.
She has made more out of expenses by the capital growth of her properties and tax avoidance that any pension would have paid.

Either way, she will be sitting on a nice nest egg, whilst those in the private sector will be on a wing and a prayer pension.

Debdenite says...
5:07pm Wed 21 Oct 09

An article in today's Mirror newspaper says what we're all thinking ...

Tory justice spokeswoman Eleanor Laing's staggering greed should be a capital offence.

The Epping Forest MP legally avoided £180,000 tax on £1m profit selling two London flats bought with £80,000 of our cash. Her constituency's only an hour by Tube from Westminster.

When exposed she had the brass neck to play Lady Bountiful by making a song and dance of returning £25,000.

Say what you like about Tory activists but they hate being taken for a ride. Laing's future will be decided next week.

But where's the justice if she leaves with a mortgage-free £900,000 new pad bought from her ill-gotten gains?

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/top-stories
/2009/10/21/tory-jus
tice-spokeswoman-ele
anor-115875-21762566
/

forestwalker says...
4:09am Thu 22 Oct 09

As reported, Ms Laing told the Daily Telegraph when the story broke that “the definition of principal private residence for Capital Gains Tax purposes is not a matter of choice but a matter of fact.”

Well, I hope someone at the Conservative Association meeting is clued up enough to challenge her on this, because it is the exact opposite of the truth.

Anyone who has two homes can simply choose which one is taxable and which is exempt from any tax on the proceeds of sale. The amount of time spent in each property is irrelevant.

Here's what the internal manual of HM Revenue & Customs says on the matter: "If the individual has more than one residence the relative extent to which each is occupied as a residence is not a material factor."

You can bet that if Ms Laing owned a valuable castle in the country, she would have opted for that as her tax exempt home, even if she had spent more time in her London flat.

The fact is that she had a choice, and the choice she made was to sidestep a £180,000 tax bill by suddenly deciding that although she had always told us, her constituents, that she lived in Theydon, and although she claimed Parliamentary expenses by telling officials she lived in Theydon, she would tell the tax man a different story and say she lived in her Westminster flat.

Here is what David Cameron said about MPs who do what Eleanor Laing did: "I don't think it is right to get money from the taxpayer for what you nominate as a second home and then to sell it and not pay capital gains tax."

David Cameron is right. And Eleanor Laing is wrong. It's as simple as that.

Debdenite says...
11:22am Thu 22 Oct 09

"David Cameron is right. And Eleanor Laing is wrong."

He was right. And then he changed his mind and said she could pay back one year's ACA as a 'moral gesture'. Moreover, he kept her on as shadow justice minister, so at some point he changed his mind and I'd like to know why - he has not said. If she is wrong, then she should pay all the ACA that went into her Westminster residence or pay all the CGT that she would have owed if she had declared it her second home. It cannot be both a second home and a primary residence. That simply does not make sense.

She may have been cleared by Legg in terms of claims under the additional costs allowance, but that does not clear her of tax evasion. HMRC is currently investigating this and I believe they will come to a conclusion about this in a few weeks' time.

If Laing does lose her job and sells her Theydon Bois property, it would be interesting to see whether she pays CGT on it. Or will she flip it?

Debdenite says...
11:34am Thu 22 Oct 09

Laing says: "We should not be fighting one another – we have a common enemy that must be defeated. I really need your support to go forward together to win that battle here in Epping Forest."

As an erstwhile Conservative voter, I can say that while she is the MP for Epping Forest I will not vote Conservative - rather, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrat candidate Anne Haigh. Like most people, I'd prefer a candidate that I trust from a party I don't entirely agree with than a candidate I distrust from a party that better represents my views. The only thing that would unite Conservative members and supporters would be her replacement as Conservative PPC with a dedicated, constituency based candidate - there are plenty of good local Conservative councillors to choose from. I'm not interested in candidates parachuted in from a party headquarters. I want a local champion who has a track record that proves we can trust them, whatever their party, and that they will not indulge in such greedy, self-serving behaviour. As I said, for me at present there is only one contender that has these qualities. I am sure that there are plenty of local Conservative councillors who are just as capable.

UKIP-local says...
10:12am Fri 23 Oct 09

May I draw attention to an unnecessary cost to the tax payer which is attributable to Mrs Laing? She has caused Parliament to pay over £9,000 per annum to her local Conservative Association for the use of their offices. This is said to be necessary so she can meet constituents despite her owning a substantial, unused, detached house in Theydon Bois.

Debdenite says...
11:16am Fri 23 Oct 09

UKIP-local wrote:
May I draw attention to an unnecessary cost to the tax payer which is attributable to Mrs Laing? She has caused Parliament to pay over £9,000 per annum to her local Conservative Association for the use of their offices. This is said to be necessary so she can meet constituents despite her owning a substantial, unused, detached house in Theydon Bois.
That's another issue she keeps sweeping to the side. Frankly, it's a common practice for all political groups - effectively a state subsidy for local parties - and something that has not been raised in the expenses scandal. The trouble is that payments to local parties from MPs' expenses helps these parties pay for more and better quality election material for fighting council elections. It's not exactly fair for local opposition groups, but no party will challenge it as they all have their hands in the till.


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