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EPPING: Brawl nightclub shut down


EPPING Forest District Council has revoked the licence of nightclub One9Five after a mass brawl outside its premises in which eight people were stabbed.

The authority's licensing sub-committee made the announcement this evening after nearly ten hours of debate, discussion and evidence at a heated meeting held at its High Street offices.

The hearing was called following the large-scale fight in Cottis Lane and Epping High Street in the early hours of Saturday September 26, which involved more than 100 people and ended in 13 men being rushed to hospital.

Councillor Mitchell Cohen, chair of the hearing, said the decision to revoke the licence had been made for four reasons.

He said: "[Firstly] we consider the police have proved on the balance of probabilities that there has been serious crime...which took place at or in an area within the direct control of Club One9Five.

"Secondly...proper appropriate steps were not taken by Club One9Five to prevent that serious crime.

"Thirdly, the breaches of the present licence conditions...gives no confidence that any reasonable conditions could be enforced for the prevention of crime".

He added that while Essex Police failed to undertake an "action plan" to prevent such disorder, the club took no such initiative either.

Scott Cummings, the licence holder of Club One9Five, was too in shock to comment to the Guardian after the hearing, but said he would make a statement tomorrow.

Earlier this evening, Club One9Five's lawyer David Dadds indicated that the nightspot's owners would appeal against any revocation of its licence.

During the hearing, Mr Dadds suggested the violence was linked to neighbouring nightspot Club Edge, and argued that the events in Cottis Lane were beyond the control of One9Five.

But Nicholas Sykes, representing Essex Police, said that most of those suspected to be involved and caught up in the mass brawl had come from Club One9Five.

Earlier the meeting heard how Club One9Five had breached its existing licence conditions by failing to properly keep a record of all incidents at its premises, and for serving drinks in glass bottles.

Police also revealed that the guest list for Club One9Five on the night of September 26 included names such as "Donald Duck" and "Ronald Reagan".

But Mr Dadds argued the guest list was purely for advertising future events at the club to its customers, and was not used as part of the entry process.

During the hearing, Essex Police argued that the only "necessary and proportionate" step to prevent future serious crimes in Cottis Lane would be to revoke the club's licence.

Mr Sykes said the club was "by far and beyond the worst [nightspot] in Epping" for disorders, and that there had been no "major incidents" locally since its licence was suspended shortly after the brawl.

Epping Forest District Commander Chief Inspector Alan Ray told the hearing that Club One9Five was behind "most" of Epping's night-time anti-social behaviour.

He said: "In my opinion Club One9Five contributes to most of our work on a Friday and Saturday night and does call me to deploy my officers to Cottis Lane every Friday and Saturday night to the detriment of [other areas] of the district."

Chief Inspector Ray, who has been district commander for four different regions of Essex during his long police career, added: "The most frightened I have ever been in my career is outside One9Five. There was a boxing night [on TV at the club] and a male was ejected who was keen to fight the world."

More reaction and details about today's hearing to follow.

EARLIER TODAY:

Today's hearing began at 10am, but was temporarily adjourned at 10.35am at the request of One9Five's lawyer David Dadds - despite an objection by Essex Police.

Mr Dadds said he needed more time to prepare his client's case after being provided with "last-minute" information from the police.

He also said he had a new batch of witness statements he wanted all parties to consider.

The police's legal representatives disputed the claims, and said the information had been provided at the request of Mr Dadds himself.

Mr Dadds accused the police of "poor conduct" and added: "If Essex Police want to be unfair then they should carry on as they are because they are showing their full colours."

Licensing sub-committee chairman, Cllr Mitchell Cohen, consulted with fellow committee members before agreeing to postpone proceedings until 12 noon to allow all parties to look at the new evidence.

He said: "I'm very keen to ensure that everything that needs to be heard is heard."

The hearing resumed at 12 noon, with the police making their opening statements detailing their reasons why they want the club shut.

Mr Dadds has been arguing that police statistics linking Club One9Five with crimes are distorted because it is a well-known landmark and used by people reporting crimes to describe where they are, irrespective of whether an incident happened there or not.

Police dispute this claim and say the incidents presented are without doubt linked to the nightspot.

The hearing adjourned for lunch at 1pm and resumed at 1.30pm.

PUBLIC AND PRESS BANNED AGAIN

There was drama again at 2.45pm when the committee ordered that part of the proceedings must be held in private - a position the Guardian believes to be unlawful.

The public and press were allowed to return to the meeting just after 3.40pm.

The police argued that testimony from an investigating officer should be heard behind closed doors - but the lawyer for One9Five sided with the Guardian's position that such statements should be made in public.

Mr Dadds said he wanted the press to be present for fear of an "ambush" by police, and called into question their conduct.

However both the police and Mr Dadds agreed the press should be banned from seeing CCTV footage - even though a detailed description of it is available for anyone to read on the district council's website.

A previous licence hearing into One9Five was held entirely in secret earlier this month - a decision which the Guardian has launched a legal challenge against.

In the weeks following the secret meeting, much of the previously banned information was made public, marking a u-turn for the authority.

Click here to see the previously banned papers released by the council on its website.

Comments(49)

ConcernedofLoughton says...
10:46am Wed 21 Oct 09

Bet they get their license back.

Katie Rolt says...
10:55am Wed 21 Oct 09

Of course it will get its licence back! The owner is good friends with a number of local politicians, a funny handshake and bam the licence is reinstated . . . . . until someone is killed there that is!

Pebblesuk says...
2:32pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Completely understand how people are feeling right now, the incident was very serious but in this case I am on Club 195's side.

I do believe that yes, if the Club was removed then the problem would go away but people such as myself who just fancy a good dance in a local club without spending £30 on cabs every weekend, would yet again suffer for the sake of these 'out of town' cowboys!!

Can honestly say that me and my friends have always had a good time down there and the staff are absolutely lovely. Would be sad for them to suffer too and loose their jobs as they don't deserve it!!

Pebblesuk says...
2:32pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Completely understand how people are feeling right now, the incident was very serious but in this case I am on Club 195's side.

I do believe that yes, if the Club was removed then the problem would go away but people such as myself who just fancy a good dance in a local club without spending £30 on cabs every weekend, would yet again suffer for the sake of these 'out of town' cowboys!!

Can honestly say that me and my friends have always had a good time down there and the staff are absolutely lovely. Would be sad for them to suffer too and loose their jobs as they don't deserve it!!

please shut this club down for good says...
3:02pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Its understandable that all some people want to do is go somewhere local for a dance - and Pebblesuk may well have had a good non incident night whenever he or she has been but the police crime figures speak for themselves . 47 incidents in the last 24 months - 8 stabbings in one night !!! it would only be a matter of time before something even more serious happened and innocent people could unwittingly get caught up in it - of course it would be inconvenient and even unfortunate for the honest decent people who occasionaly frequent the place if it shut down but the increasing level of violence that occurs in this club is extremely concerning and for the safety of the public it has to be shut down

Johnny Boy says...
3:59pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Read about the incidents attributed to Club195 for the past year in comparison to other Bars / Pubs of the area !!!

http://rds.eppingfor
estdc.gov.uk/Publish
ed/C00000428/M000060
88/AI00022091/police
documents.pdf?ku=352
41833$SOS

Debdenite says...
4:13pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Pebblesuk wrote:
Completely understand how people are feeling right now, the incident was very serious but in this case I am on Club 195's side.

I do believe that yes, if the Club was removed then the problem would go away but people such as myself who just fancy a good dance in a local club without spending £30 on cabs every weekend, would yet again suffer for the sake of these 'out of town' cowboys!!

Can honestly say that me and my friends have always had a good time down there and the staff are absolutely lovely. Would be sad for them to suffer too and loose their jobs as they don't deserve it!!
Why are you on Club 195's side? The fact is that the club has let decent, law-abiding customers and its own staff down badly and has been unwilling to co-operate with the police in the past to deal with violent incidents. They won't confront the problems with the club because they are greedy and don't want to turn away the out-of-town rough element that brings in the money as this club cannot survive as a business catering just for the people of Epping.

Sleuthy says...
4:17pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Johnny Boy wrote:
Read about the incidents attributed to Club195 for the past year in comparison to other Bars / Pubs of the area !!! http://rds.eppingfor estdc.gov.uk/Publish ed/C00000428/M000060 88/AI00022091/police documents.pdf?ku=352 41833$SOS
Have read it Johnny Boy.... also surprising that they also get trouble at the under-18 events plus the vast number of incidents involving women/girls.....sobe
ring reading

Johnny Boy says...
4:32pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Sleuthy, what we must remember is what we read on the report is what has been reported !!!

Can you imagine how much hasen't ???

Sleuthy says...
4:36pm Wed 21 Oct 09

From article under Redbridge "SOUTH WOODFORD: Funky Mojoes wins back late alcohol licence". Excerpt from article : "At the hearing, Mojoes’ lawyer David Dadds....."
So it seems it is the same guy representing 195..... has a successful track record it seems - must be the go-to guy for licensing disputes......
If this guy lived in either Epping or Woodford maybe he would not be quite so vociferous in his defense.

Johnny Boy says...
4:50pm Wed 21 Oct 09

The Michael Mansfield of the Club world....He sounds very good at his job !!!

Sleuthy says...
4:57pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Had to google that name Johnny Boy but good one ......

Pebblesuk says...
7:00pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Fair comment about feeling they are greedy. There is a recession on and I've noticed the drop in numbers so I suppose they have welcomed the business.
But I don't really know how a doorman would know that a guy who's dressed correctly is from out of town. If people insist on carrying a knife on them when they leave the house then clearly a scrap was on the agenda no matter where it finally took place. Despite the fact the incident happened outside, I think it is useful to scan and bag check people going in to be on the safe side, as they do in the west end.
I am still completely shocked by the severity of the incident... how terrible. Like I said, after years and years going there, my friends and I have had many a good night out there and lots of fond memories. I do hope it can all be resolved with co-operation from the club and police.

Heartlysmum says...
8:48pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Blimey common sense at last?

Morris Hickey says...
9:14pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Johnny Boy wrote:
The Michael Mansfield of the Club world....He sounds very good at his job !!!
Not really - Michael Mansfield usually wins.

Johnny Boy says...
9:19pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Wait for the, "APPEAL" ........ I fear that peace may not yet be in our time !!!

Debdenite says...
9:29pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Pebblesuk wrote:
Fair comment about feeling they are greedy. There is a recession on and I've noticed the drop in numbers so I suppose they have welcomed the business.
But I don't really know how a doorman would know that a guy who's dressed correctly is from out of town. If people insist on carrying a knife on them when they leave the house then clearly a scrap was on the agenda no matter where it finally took place. Despite the fact the incident happened outside, I think it is useful to scan and bag check people going in to be on the safe side, as they do in the west end.
I am still completely shocked by the severity of the incident... how terrible. Like I said, after years and years going there, my friends and I have had many a good night out there and lots of fond memories. I do hope it can all be resolved with co-operation from the club and police.
Actually, it is the responsibility of a bouncer to prevent a situation from getting out of control and prevent rowdy types from entering a club. A well-run club would not have so many severe incidents, as catalogued by the police. And the management would have been more co-operative in tackling crime. It's not just in the interests of residents near by, it's in the interest of clubbers like you who just want a good night out with friends in a safe place. I'm afraid the club failed you, not the council. It's a shame for the majority of clubbers who are law-abiding and non-violent.

Toby Bligh says...
10:16pm Wed 21 Oct 09

This is a shame as youngsters have to go somewhere and the minority cause the tiffs and it progresses to tit for tat, the lawyer is only doing his job like Mr Loophole who defends the Football Stars and the famous people for a small fee.

Johnny Boy says...
10:20pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Toby Bligh wrote:
This is a shame as youngsters have to go somewhere and the minority cause the tiffs and it progresses to tit for tat, the lawyer is only doing his job like Mr Loophole who defends the Football Stars and the famous people for a small fee.
A small fee, you do make me chuckle !!!

inézc says...
10:27pm Wed 21 Oct 09

I agree that the lawyer is only doing his job - but wouldn't think the fee was particularly small. Good result!

Debdenite says...
10:34pm Wed 21 Oct 09

inézc wrote:
I agree that the lawyer is only doing his job - but wouldn't think the fee was particularly small. Good result!
Good result so far, but an appeal could be costly and may be followed by a law suit for loss of earnings. Of course, everyone has a right to legal defence and a lawyer cannot be blamed for being good at representing his clients.

Toby Bligh says...
10:41pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Debdenite wrote:
inézc wrote:
I agree that the lawyer is only doing his job - but wouldn't think the fee was particularly small. Good result!
Good result so far, but an appeal could be costly and may be followed by a law suit for loss of earnings. Of course, everyone has a right to legal defence and a lawyer cannot be blamed for being good at representing his clients.
A man who defends himself in a trial has a fool for a client! Never forget!

larry g says...
11:35pm Wed 21 Oct 09

Toby Bligh wrote:
This is a shame as youngsters have to go somewhere and the minority cause the tiffs and it progresses to tit for tat, the lawyer is only doing his job like Mr Loophole who defends the Football Stars and the famous people for a small fee.
you do talk tripe, tiffs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are talking about attempted murder here you tin hat


go away and find another forum to infest



Investigations says...
4:52am Thu 22 Oct 09

Why have the appended police documents relating to this case been so heavily censored? Are the authorities afraid of legal reprisals from those whose exposure might stop them appearing elsewhere in the future? Let's have their names and where they live!

ConcernedofLoughton says...
7:03am Thu 22 Oct 09

Well, I am surprised. No doubt he will get the license back on appeal, if he does then hopefully this will serve as a final warning.

fjl says...
1:26pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Great news. Let's hope it stays shut for good.

Ben1978 says...
1:44pm Thu 22 Oct 09

The place is a khazi which just houses the socially inept, the plastic, the orange and the unintelligent. Sad it took this incident for people to wake up and smell the cappucino, but who cares if it shuts really....

lictakoff2 says...
1:46pm Thu 22 Oct 09

I am really glad that this Club has been closed down, and I am extremely glad that the owner has been given some aggrovation as his club has been giving our town over the last 5-6 years. It's a well known fact that the owner is no role model to the other patrons and his sleezy behaviour is much to be desired. Good riddens we all say!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pebblesuk says...
1:54pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Ben1978 wrote:
The place is a khazi which just houses the socially inept, the plastic, the orange and the unintelligent. Sad it took this incident for people to wake up and smell the cappucino, but who cares if it shuts really....
...That's not true. I for example am a 27 year old Senior Sales Exec, well dressed, peachy coloured and certainly asbo free... my partner and friends are pretty similar, all employed in media, banking...the majority of people we've met in there have been really nice. But as usual, all eyes are on the handful of troublemakers so I suppose we all just blend into the background. We're the ones who should count... hence I suppose why I'm writing my side on things.

Epping Res says...
1:55pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Have been out in Epping a few times since 195 closure. The town is definetly a better place , everyone I know has commented on it. Can you just imagine the new witness statements 195 and Dadds are comming up with. All from their mates at Piano Lounge and Tony and Guy I suspect. Pathetic! If the the council and police manage to win, It would certainly put my faith back into the feeling that we as a society are starting to be looked after.

Plebian says...
1:59pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Epping Res wrote:
Have been out in Epping a few times since 195 closure. The town is definetly a better place , everyone I know has commented on it. Can you just imagine the new witness statements 195 and Dadds are comming up with. All from their mates at Piano Lounge and Tony and Guy I suspect. Pathetic! If the the council and police manage to win, It would certainly put my faith back into the feeling that we as a society are starting to be looked after.
You are very boring arent you?

Johnny Boy says...
2:18pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Ben1978 wrote:
The place is a khazi which just houses the socially inept, the plastic, the orange and the unintelligent. Sad it took this incident for people to wake up and smell the cappucino, but who cares if it shuts really....
The Nouveau Riche !!!
The me me, material wealth show off, self obsessed pouting poser's. The type that always park their 4x4's in disabled bays because in their shallow world the rules that the rest of us have to follow just don't apply.

Oh but they do look sooo cool, Baa Baa !!!

ConcernedofLoughton says...
3:19pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Plebian wrote:
Epping Res wrote: Have been out in Epping a few times since 195 closure. The town is definetly a better place , everyone I know has commented on it. Can you just imagine the new witness statements 195 and Dadds are comming up with. All from their mates at Piano Lounge and Tony and Guy I suspect. Pathetic! If the the council and police manage to win, It would certainly put my faith back into the feeling that we as a society are starting to be looked after.
You are very boring arent you?
If very boring means a safe and quiet town then I suppose he/she is!

Touched a nerve Plebian?

Campanologist Cycling Epping says...
3:25pm Thu 22 Oct 09

The place was a horror story from start to finish. No real ale, ghastly acid house music, no folk singing, charged for water, no Ploughman's Lunch and there were no cycle stands outside. Dreadful place.

Pebblesuk says...
4:03pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Campanologist Cycling Epping wrote:
The place was a horror story from start to finish. No real ale, ghastly acid house music, no folk singing, charged for water, no Ploughman's Lunch and there were no cycle stands outside. Dreadful place.
:-) x

lictakoff2 says...
6:52pm Thu 22 Oct 09

Ben1978 you are right the place is a 'khazi', maybe the local council could take this opportunity and turn it into something useful like public conveniences!

epping lass says...
7:49pm Thu 22 Oct 09

If the appeal fails, all thats going to happen is that the club will reopen under a new name with what appears to be a new owner (as in the name 'on paper' is different but same people controlling it) and it will be back to square one in weeks!! Interesting to see that 'Club Edge' appears to have had a makeover in the last two weeks and is now called Epping Lounge. Owners obviously praying the appeal fails and they going to poach the 195 'clientel'. Pound signs in thier eyes with all the christmas parties coming up.

Johnny Boy says...
8:29pm Thu 22 Oct 09

epping lass wrote:
If the appeal fails, all thats going to happen is that the club will reopen under a new name with what appears to be a new owner (as in the name 'on paper' is different but same people controlling it) and it will be back to square one in weeks!! Interesting to see that 'Club Edge' appears to have had a makeover in the last two weeks and is now called Epping Lounge. Owners obviously praying the appeal fails and they going to poach the 195 'clientel'. Pound signs in thier eyes with all the christmas parties coming up.
I have to agree with you, there is more than one way to skin a cat when it comes to re opening a club in place of 195.

Invaribly (though not all the time) nightclub owners are villians or in some way connected to the underworld, it's the way it is.

The problem is that the "hard man" businessmen are very good at making money and that's all that matters. So long as the cash is coming in and they pay the usual lip service to the authorities they don't give a toss about you or the local residents !!!



Johnny Boy says...
8:29pm Thu 22 Oct 09

epping lass wrote:
If the appeal fails, all thats going to happen is that the club will reopen under a new name with what appears to be a new owner (as in the name 'on paper' is different but same people controlling it) and it will be back to square one in weeks!! Interesting to see that 'Club Edge' appears to have had a makeover in the last two weeks and is now called Epping Lounge. Owners obviously praying the appeal fails and they going to poach the 195 'clientel'. Pound signs in thier eyes with all the christmas parties coming up.
I have to agree with you, there is more than one way to skin a cat when it comes to re opening a club in place of 195.

Invaribly (though not all the time) nightclub owners are villians or in some way connected to the underworld, it's the way it is.

The problem is that the "hard man" businessmen are very good at making money and that's all that matters. So long as the cash is coming in and they pay the usual lip service to the authorities they don't give a toss about you or the local residents !!!



Debdenite says...
10:23pm Thu 22 Oct 09

epping lass wrote:
If the appeal fails, all thats going to happen is that the club will reopen under a new name with what appears to be a new owner (as in the name 'on paper' is different but same people controlling it) and it will be back to square one in weeks!! Interesting to see that 'Club Edge' appears to have had a makeover in the last two weeks and is now called Epping Lounge. Owners obviously praying the appeal fails and they going to poach the 195 'clientel'. Pound signs in thier eyes with all the christmas parties coming up.
Not necessarily. The venue could have its licence removed in addition to the removal of the licence of the owner. That way, the owner cannot get others to apply for a licence on his behalf or sell it as a going concern. The council can force a change of use. Again, I suggest lobbying members of the licensing committee plus the council officers.

Hopefully, the closure of 195 will force Club Edge to be a responsible venue. I don't care if they make lots of money, so long as they work within the law, co-operate with the police and council, and obey the terms of their licence.

Johnny Boy says...
10:33pm Thu 22 Oct 09

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

Like I said, these people are very good at skinning cats.

Sleuthy says...
8:32am Fri 23 Oct 09

Regarding cat-skinning, my favourite is the surprise method
1. Sneak up behind your cat
2. shout Boo!
3. watch as your cat leaps out of its skin

Plebian says...
8:33am Fri 23 Oct 09

prat

ConcernedofLoughton says...
9:00am Fri 23 Oct 09

Plebian wrote:
prat
Another helpful comment then Plebian! Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you just interested in calling people names and telling them they are boring?

Sleuthy says...
9:48am Fri 23 Oct 09

Plebian wrote:
prat
Very brave slinging insults Pleb behind your anonymity. Have you no sense of fun? This forum as well as being serious is sometimes lighthearted. This is the whole point of it. Name-calling is rather childish. Were you bullied at school?

Pebblesuk says...
9:54am Fri 23 Oct 09

Sleuthy wrote:
Regarding cat-skinning, my favourite is the surprise method 1. Sneak up behind your cat 2. shout Boo! 3. watch as your cat leaps out of its skin
Hah ha! x

...Having a good read of everyone's very valid points...
As an Epping resident, it would be stupid to sit back and ignore what is happening so yes, something needs to be done, but I strongly don't believe that closing the place down is truly the right choice...

I've been clubbing in quite a few nightspots around Epping and the cheapest cab home was £17. Not all the young people are going to be able to afford that every week. And let's face it, they will go out somewhere... and if they go too far afield then they may decide to start walking home in the dark, staying over friend's they don't know too well...drink and drive...As much of a pain Club 195 can be, it's a local place the Epping kids can put a bit of fake tan on, dance around their handbags, get a kebab and get home for under £30. Perhaps a compromise can be made... Licence til 2am not 3am, members ONLY entry (membership applied for at least 24 hours in advance), full bag and body searches... Anyone agree or is the jury already in on this one...

Johnny Boy says...
11:55am Fri 23 Oct 09

Sleuthy wrote:
Plebian wrote: prat
Very brave slinging insults Pleb behind your anonymity. Have you no sense of fun? This forum as well as being serious is sometimes lighthearted. This is the whole point of it. Name-calling is rather childish. Were you bullied at school?
Sleuthy, like most I'm with you on this.

I think it's great to have a sense of humour !!!

Sleuthy says...
12:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Johnny Boy wrote:
Sleuthy wrote:
Plebian wrote: prat
Very brave slinging insults Pleb behind your anonymity. Have you no sense of fun? This forum as well as being serious is sometimes lighthearted. This is the whole point of it. Name-calling is rather childish. Were you bullied at school?
Sleuthy, like most I'm with you on this. I think it's great to have a sense of humour !!!
Thanks JB....yep, gotta have one of those...keeps us sane.

chrisp121 says...
2:36pm Wed 28 Oct 09

welll obviously ,, there is more than meets the eye,, let me think.. one word.. Drugs!? could this be the reason that they wanted it held in private,,its well known that local hooligans all geared up and ready to deal go on there on a frequent basis.. i should imagine , that the police have been monitoring someone in their interest ,, who has been operating from this establishment!....


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