LOUGHTON: Landlord furious at skinhead interview

Landlord James Cosentino (front row third from left) and regulars at the Sir Winston Churchill pub

Landlord James Cosentino (front row third from left) and regulars at the Sir Winston Churchill pub

First published in Epping Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Sub Editor

AN outraged Debden landlord says he will try to get a programme featuring his pub pulled from its slot on TV tomorrow night.

Comedian Alan Davies was filmed speaking to a former skinhead at The Sir Winston Churchill pub for his Channel 4 documentary about growing up in Loughton.

The former gang leader told Davies how he used to intimidate Asian people in London's Brick Lane and stir up racial tension on the show, Alan Davies' Teenage Revolution.

Pub landlord James Cosentino said that although he gave permission for the pub to be used in the show, he had not known a former skinhead would be interviewed there.

“He doesn't even drink here,” he added. “I didn't know it would be to do with racism.

“It's not a racist pub and I want to take it further with Channel 4. I've asked them not to air the repeat tomorrow night.

“It's a really nice family pub. I'm totally against racism and I don't agree with things like that.”

Colson Road resident Geoff Boughton, 67, who drinks at the Sir Winston Churchill and has lived in Debden since 1947, defended his home.

“I think it's un-representative of the people of Debden,” he said. “I was embarrassed for Debden. It was almost as if it was a bit of ghetto, but I think it's a wonderful place.

“Yes, the BNP were well-supported, but we kicked them out. There are black, white, Asian and Chinese people in Debden and I get on with all those people.”

The chairman of Debden's town centre partnership, Dave Stannard, said he had not seen the programme, but would make sure he did before the group's next meeting, so members could discuss it.

The programme is due to be repeated on Channel 4 at 11pm on Tuesday and the next in the series, which looks at Davies' years at college in Loughton, will be aired on Thursday.

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9:16pm Mon 13 Sep 10

Quickexit says...

Isn't the most important thing the fact that this guy is an EX-skinhead and has therefore left a life of violent hatred? I'm all for people reforming themselves and their attitudes, so I don't see why someone should be tainted by the views they left behind. It doesn't mean the pub is racist! Perhaps this man could be a voice of reason that leads others to reconsider their views, so it would be a good thing to be associated with him. Let's see what the documentary says.

The fact is that Debden has given itself a bad reputation by voting in BNP councillors and some local businesses such as the Sir Winston Churchill understandly want to distance themselves. Thankfully, like this skinhead, Debden has turned its back on the BNP. I hope attitudes towards non-white people have also changed.
Isn't the most important thing the fact that this guy is an EX-skinhead and has therefore left a life of violent hatred? I'm all for people reforming themselves and their attitudes, so I don't see why someone should be tainted by the views they left behind. It doesn't mean the pub is racist! Perhaps this man could be a voice of reason that leads others to reconsider their views, so it would be a good thing to be associated with him. Let's see what the documentary says. The fact is that Debden has given itself a bad reputation by voting in BNP councillors and some local businesses such as the Sir Winston Churchill understandly want to distance themselves. Thankfully, like this skinhead, Debden has turned its back on the BNP. I hope attitudes towards non-white people have also changed. Quickexit
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10:29am Tue 14 Sep 10

mr rusty says...

The landlord probably just thought of it as a free advert and no doubt happily took a fee without asking too many questions- too late to whine about it now!

"The chairman of Debden's town centre partnership, Dave Stannard, said he had not seen the programme, but would make sure he did before the group's next meeting, so members could discuss it.".....be a bit late to do anything about it! Really, what are they worrying about- who in Harlow worries about the connection with Charlie Sargent and combat 18? There's a whole generation of people who know nothing about the NF, C18, column 88, or for that matter the ANL or red action or any of the other right and left pseudo political mobs from the 70's and 80's.
The landlord probably just thought of it as a free advert and no doubt happily took a fee without asking too many questions- too late to whine about it now! "The chairman of Debden's town centre partnership, Dave Stannard, said he had not seen the programme, but would make sure he did before the group's next meeting, so members could discuss it.".....be a bit late to do anything about it! Really, what are they worrying about- who in Harlow worries about the connection with Charlie Sargent and combat 18? There's a whole generation of people who know nothing about the NF, C18, column 88, or for that matter the ANL or red action or any of the other right and left pseudo political mobs from the 70's and 80's. mr rusty
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12:15pm Tue 14 Sep 10

word of mouth says...

Debden always had a bad rep, when i went to school in Epping, it was people from Debden who came up on the train for a fight.
Debden always had a bad rep, when i went to school in Epping, it was people from Debden who came up on the train for a fight. word of mouth
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12:48pm Tue 14 Sep 10

Quickexit says...

Debden residents like to portray themselves as hard-done by cockneys, but really they are far removed from the East End (cockney culture was destroyed by the Nazi blitz and subsequent slum clearance). Really, Debden is a village with all the bitchiness and parochialism that comes with village life and perhaps that creates a small-minded mentality among a minority. But it is not as poor, deprived or violent as many people portray it and how many of those unworldly residents with a big chip on their shoulder think it is.
Debden residents like to portray themselves as hard-done by cockneys, but really they are far removed from the East End (cockney culture was destroyed by the Nazi blitz and subsequent slum clearance). Really, Debden is a village with all the bitchiness and parochialism that comes with village life and perhaps that creates a small-minded mentality among a minority. But it is not as poor, deprived or violent as many people portray it and how many of those unworldly residents with a big chip on their shoulder think it is. Quickexit
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10:29am Wed 15 Sep 10

mr rusty says...

Well it was all a bit tame in the end!! A cheerfuly overweight middle aged bloke in a Harrington jacket and his old dad with a dodgy but typically oap attitude to immigrants. It hardly did Debden a dis-service, it just made it look exactly what it is: the slightly poorer end of Loughton, but it certainly didn't make it look like redneck land!!
Well it was all a bit tame in the end!! A cheerfuly overweight middle aged bloke in a Harrington jacket and his old dad with a dodgy but typically oap attitude to immigrants. It hardly did Debden a dis-service, it just made it look exactly what it is: the slightly poorer end of Loughton, but it certainly didn't make it look like redneck land!! mr rusty
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5:20pm Thu 16 Sep 10

dininglady says...

The problem is South Loguhton and North Loughton seem to think they are two seperate areas, rather than two parts of the same area.
The problem is South Loguhton and North Loughton seem to think they are two seperate areas, rather than two parts of the same area. dininglady
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9:32pm Sat 18 Sep 10

Quickexit says...

dininglady wrote:
The problem is South Loguhton and North Loughton seem to think they are two seperate areas, rather than two parts of the same area.
The difference between the two parts is that the nouveau riche bit has women with longer and more colourful fingernails, convertible BMWs and orange skin and they think that makes them superior. Other than that, there is no difference in terms of background and, in fact, education results are slightly better in Debden.
[quote][p][bold]dininglady[/bold] wrote: The problem is South Loguhton and North Loughton seem to think they are two seperate areas, rather than two parts of the same area.[/p][/quote]The difference between the two parts is that the nouveau riche bit has women with longer and more colourful fingernails, convertible BMWs and orange skin and they think that makes them superior. Other than that, there is no difference in terms of background and, in fact, education results are slightly better in Debden. Quickexit
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2:50am Sun 19 Sep 10

xpatLoughton says...

Bullsh*t.
1. The Churchill was the pub of choice for racists in Debden during the 80s and 90s.
2. Alan Davies stated in the voiceover that Ian Bonner still drank in the Churchill. Is the landlord stating that Alan Davies and Channel 4 lied? Will he sue for libel or defamation of character?
3. What's this 'North Loughton' and 'South Loughton' rubbish? Debden is the council estate built in Loughton, so get over yourself and it. Those who can't presumably are the people covering themselves in fake tan and trying to pull a footballer in Faces.
Bullsh*t. 1. The Churchill was the pub of choice for racists in Debden during the 80s and 90s. 2. Alan Davies stated in the voiceover that Ian Bonner still drank in the Churchill. Is the landlord stating that Alan Davies and Channel 4 lied? Will he sue for libel or defamation of character? 3. What's this 'North Loughton' and 'South Loughton' rubbish? Debden is the council estate built in Loughton, so get over yourself and it. Those who can't presumably are the people covering themselves in fake tan and trying to pull a footballer in Faces. xpatLoughton
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9:54am Mon 20 Sep 10

mr rusty says...

"2. Alan Davies stated in the voiceover that Ian Bonner still drank in the Churchill. Is the landlord stating that Alan Davies and Channel 4 lied? Will he sue for libel or defamation of character?".....I very much doubt it because Alan Davies didn't say the ex-bonehead still drank there, he used the artistic and no doubt legalistic workaround that Danny Dyer uses in his meet-a-gangster shows of saying something along the lines of "I'd heard he still drank there..." or "rumour is he still....." etc etc. And I seriously doubt the landlord did it for free as well, probably milking it for all he could get.
"2. Alan Davies stated in the voiceover that Ian Bonner still drank in the Churchill. Is the landlord stating that Alan Davies and Channel 4 lied? Will he sue for libel or defamation of character?".....I very much doubt it because Alan Davies didn't say the ex-bonehead still drank there, he used the artistic and no doubt legalistic workaround that Danny Dyer uses in his meet-a-gangster shows of saying something along the lines of "I'd heard he still drank there..." or "rumour is he still....." etc etc. And I seriously doubt the landlord did it for free as well, probably milking it for all he could get. mr rusty
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