Marina Pepper will be standing as MP for Class War in the Chingford and Woodford Green constituency

Marina Pepper is now a member of Class War

Marina Pepper is now a member of Class War

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A political anarchist most famously known for being a glamour model and a former Liberal Democrat politician is to challenge Iain Duncan-Smith in next year's general election. 

Marina Pepper (nee Baker), 46, is looking to stand in Chingford and Woodford Green in response to the Work and Pensions Secretary's welfare reforms. 

The former Liberal Democrat councillor in Lewes, East Sussex, and mayor of Telscombe defected from the party to join Class War, an anarchist group founded in the 1980s. 

Ms Pepper, a mother-of-two, lives 80 miles away from the constituency in East Sussex, but claims to have visited both Chingford and Woodford Green in the past, and had a spell living in Kings Road, Leytonstone during her year at university studying journalism. 

She says she plans to challenge the seat held by Mr Duncan-Smith since 1992 on behalf of people with disabilities after experiencing first-hand the effects of welfare reform. 

She said: "In the last four years, [Mr Duncan Smith] has not been representing local people and instead causing national heartache.

"He is a national issue and has no feelings for people falling on hard times and his constituents deserve better.  

"For many, he has taken away their safety net including that of my brother's.

"Martin didn't chose to be autistic or have a stroke but yet he has had his benefits slashed and my mother has to take on the role of a key social worker. 

"We're a very wealthy country and even if he was to step down tomorrow, he is made for life. This is a blessing having the chance to stand in his constituency."

The government has implemented changes for job-seekers and people with disabilities such as replacing the Disability Living Allowance (DLA) with the Personal Independance Payment (PIP) as it believes the former system was too complex and had not been fundamentally reformed or reviewed since the 1990s. 

The anarchist says she has "nothing to lose" by standing next year and says, since her announcement, she has received messages of support from across the country.

During her late teens, Ms Pepper worked as a glamour model for three years and posed for various magazines.

She was chosen as Playboy's Playmate of the Month for March 1987.     

She became a poster girl for the anti-fracking movement in July 2013 after photographs of her being carried away from the Balcombe protest went viral.

Ms Pepper will be visiting Chingford in the next two weeks and says she has already been offered a place to stay if elected. 

 

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2:31pm Thu 24 Jul 14

G_Whiz says...

Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past!

My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car!
He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people!

Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for!
Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past! My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car! He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people! Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for! G_Whiz
  • Score: -32

3:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

"We're a very wealthy country and even if he was to step down tomorrow, he is made for life. This is a blessing having the chance to stand in his constituency."

Why IDS? Why not one of the nests being feathered for the likes of Euan Blair or sons of Straw, Kinnock or Prescott.

Blair after all has more money than IDS, bought all his kids 'starter homes' of circa 1.5 to 3 million and has his own property portfolio of circa 40 million now.
"We're a very wealthy country and even if he was to step down tomorrow, he is made for life. This is a blessing having the chance to stand in his constituency." Why IDS? Why not one of the nests being feathered for the likes of Euan Blair or sons of Straw, Kinnock or Prescott. Blair after all has more money than IDS, bought all his kids 'starter homes' of circa 1.5 to 3 million and has his own property portfolio of circa 40 million now. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -13

3:47pm Thu 24 Jul 14

the dame says...

Dear Villagecranberry,

I assume from your remarks that you are male otherwise the sexist comment would not have been made. May I suggest that if you feel so strongly that you through your hat into the ring and challenge IDS.
Dear Villagecranberry, I assume from your remarks that you are male otherwise the sexist comment would not have been made. May I suggest that if you feel so strongly that you through your hat into the ring and challenge IDS. the dame
  • Score: 14

4:33pm Thu 24 Jul 14

skybluemak says...

G_Whiz wrote:
Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past!

My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car!
He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people!

Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for!
G:Whiz, Shows that you don't understand the first thing about anarchism other than what the government propaganda.

Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Anarchists believe that all authority belongs to the population and not at executive level. Any institution that does not directly gain its authority from the people is illegitimate - so our government, our legal system and corporate power are all illegitimate.

The crime and violence that you talk about is cause by inequality and growing inequality is a direct consequence of the global economic policies since Thatcher. An anarchist society would promote equality, which has been proven to reduce all types of crime and violent behaviour. It would also increase social cohesion.

Random acts of vandalism is not anarchism, it is criminal behaviour and little more.
[quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past! My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car! He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people! Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for![/p][/quote]G:Whiz, Shows that you don't understand the first thing about anarchism other than what the government propaganda. Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Anarchists believe that all authority belongs to the population and not at executive level. Any institution that does not directly gain its authority from the people is illegitimate - so our government, our legal system and corporate power are all illegitimate. The crime and violence that you talk about is cause by inequality and growing inequality is a direct consequence of the global economic policies since Thatcher. An anarchist society would promote equality, which has been proven to reduce all types of crime and violent behaviour. It would also increase social cohesion. Random acts of vandalism is not anarchism, it is criminal behaviour and little more. skybluemak
  • Score: 38

4:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

skybluemak wrote:
G_Whiz wrote:
Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past!

My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car!
He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people!

Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for!
G:Whiz, Shows that you don't understand the first thing about anarchism other than what the government propaganda.

Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Anarchists believe that all authority belongs to the population and not at executive level. Any institution that does not directly gain its authority from the people is illegitimate - so our government, our legal system and corporate power are all illegitimate.

The crime and violence that you talk about is cause by inequality and growing inequality is a direct consequence of the global economic policies since Thatcher. An anarchist society would promote equality, which has been proven to reduce all types of crime and violent behaviour. It would also increase social cohesion.

Random acts of vandalism is not anarchism, it is criminal behaviour and little more.
Save. Us the Thatcher bit. Bit old hat ain't it.

Would she have had to abide by the rules in Playboy?
[quote][p][bold]skybluemak[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: Surely, as an anarchist, she would try to beat the other Parties using violence - it's what all anarchists have done in the past! My neighbour once said he was an anarchist - so i gave him what i thought he wanted. I smashed down his fence and threw paint over his car! He didn't seem very happy about it! - You just can't please some people! Anyway, thanks to our Liberal ways - we have a kind of Anarchy now! Violence and crime rule the streets, The elderly are afraid to go out - and it's the criminals we feel sorry for![/p][/quote]G:Whiz, Shows that you don't understand the first thing about anarchism other than what the government propaganda. Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Anarchists believe that all authority belongs to the population and not at executive level. Any institution that does not directly gain its authority from the people is illegitimate - so our government, our legal system and corporate power are all illegitimate. The crime and violence that you talk about is cause by inequality and growing inequality is a direct consequence of the global economic policies since Thatcher. An anarchist society would promote equality, which has been proven to reduce all types of crime and violent behaviour. It would also increase social cohesion. Random acts of vandalism is not anarchism, it is criminal behaviour and little more.[/p][/quote]Save. Us the Thatcher bit. Bit old hat ain't it. Would she have had to abide by the rules in Playboy? Villagecranberry
  • Score: -23

5:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

MICHAEL MCGOUGH says...

I am underwhelmed
I am underwhelmed MICHAEL MCGOUGH
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

cynicalsue says...

Good luck to her! I'd love to be rid of IDS, evil git that he is.
Good luck to her! I'd love to be rid of IDS, evil git that he is. cynicalsue
  • Score: 16

5:33pm Thu 24 Jul 14

royster40 says...

Save us the Thatcher bit for being old hat!! What about your Blair bashing?
Pot / kettle ?
Save us the Thatcher bit for being old hat!! What about your Blair bashing? Pot / kettle ? royster40
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

royster40 wrote:
Save us the Thatcher bit for being old hat!! What about your Blair bashing?
Pot / kettle ?
Blair still here to 'bash'
[quote][p][bold]royster40[/bold] wrote: Save us the Thatcher bit for being old hat!! What about your Blair bashing? Pot / kettle ?[/p][/quote]Blair still here to 'bash' Villagecranberry
  • Score: 3

5:39pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

cynicalsue wrote:
Good luck to her! I'd love to be rid of IDS, evil git that he is.
Can you tell me why you think IDS is evil?

Also, why do you not stand against him?
[quote][p][bold]cynicalsue[/bold] wrote: Good luck to her! I'd love to be rid of IDS, evil git that he is.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why you think IDS is evil? Also, why do you not stand against him? Villagecranberry
  • Score: -11

6:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Brisbane says...

Good luck to her, but if we had anarchism, presumably we would have no government and, as a result no public spending at all, whether to help disabled people or anyone else.

Am I missing something?
Good luck to her, but if we had anarchism, presumably we would have no government and, as a result no public spending at all, whether to help disabled people or anyone else. Am I missing something? Brisbane
  • Score: 10

8:35pm Thu 24 Jul 14

DaveInTheForest says...

If she is an anarchist, why does she want to join the ruling classes? I assume, if elected, she will refuse to take a salary or the rather generous expenses, and will swear allegiance to the Queen. Otherwise, she is wasting everyone's time. At least Crass put their money where their mouths are.
If she is an anarchist, why does she want to join the ruling classes? I assume, if elected, she will refuse to take a salary or the rather generous expenses, and will swear allegiance to the Queen. Otherwise, she is wasting everyone's time. At least Crass put their money where their mouths are. DaveInTheForest
  • Score: 3

8:54pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

According to the internet she is a Wiccan, maybe she can get on her broomstick and magic her vote count.
According to the internet she is a Wiccan, maybe she can get on her broomstick and magic her vote count. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -15

6:12am Fri 25 Jul 14

tjm01 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article tjm01
  • Score: 14

8:37am Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
Only plankton minds would know that.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]Only plankton minds would know that. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -17

9:29am Fri 25 Jul 14

StanE11 says...

tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
cornbeefur is mentally ill.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]cornbeefur is mentally ill. StanE11
  • Score: 4

9:45am Fri 25 Jul 14

Paul Skinner says...

Breaking news: "Anarchist" finishes last in poll.
Breaking news: "Anarchist" finishes last in poll. Paul Skinner
  • Score: -1

11:15am Fri 25 Jul 14

jonny mash says...

"If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill
"If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill jonny mash
  • Score: -16

11:26am Fri 25 Jul 14

T. Watts says...

jonny mash wrote:
"If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy!

Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!
[quote][p][bold]jonny mash[/bold] wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill[/p][/quote]Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike! T. Watts
  • Score: 17

12:02pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together?
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together? Villagecranberry
  • Score: -9

2:27pm Fri 25 Jul 14

jonny mash says...

T. Watts wrote:
jonny mash wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!
It's a great insight from the greatest ever Briton. If it weren't for Winny your name would be "Herr T.Watts von Nonsense" and you would be forced to salute a Swastika flying over 10 Downing Street, I've not heard the quote about firing on ordinary workers who dare to strike but maybe the lazy teachers and tube drivers who are forever striking for no good reason should be made aware of it
[quote][p][bold]T. Watts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonny mash[/bold] wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill[/p][/quote]Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike![/p][/quote]It's a great insight from the greatest ever Briton. If it weren't for Winny your name would be "Herr T.Watts von Nonsense" and you would be forced to salute a Swastika flying over 10 Downing Street, I've not heard the quote about firing on ordinary workers who dare to strike but maybe the lazy teachers and tube drivers who are forever striking for no good reason should be made aware of it jonny mash
  • Score: -8

2:36pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tjm01 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together?
I find your comment(s) not only offensive but also a sad reflection of the kind of person you are, I have had the good fortune to have never met you, but I have this mental picture of someone who at school was the kid no one talked to, as teenager never had a girlfriend, and as a adult has little if anything in life, I make no apology if you find my comments offensive, rude, or anything else for that matter, you are without doubt the most childish immature person I have never met
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together?[/p][/quote]I find your comment(s) not only offensive but also a sad reflection of the kind of person you are, I have had the good fortune to have never met you, but I have this mental picture of someone who at school was the kid no one talked to, as teenager never had a girlfriend, and as a adult has little if anything in life, I make no apology if you find my comments offensive, rude, or anything else for that matter, you are without doubt the most childish immature person I have never met tjm01
  • Score: 23

2:55pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tjm01 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
Only plankton minds would know that.
Read the article
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]Only plankton minds would know that.[/p][/quote]Read the article tjm01
  • Score: 5

3:19pm Fri 25 Jul 14

wildthing666 says...

I would never vote for George Iain Duncan Smith he gets others to do his dirty work loses his temper very easily, and is not fit to hold a position of power.
I would never vote for George Iain Duncan Smith he gets others to do his dirty work loses his temper very easily, and is not fit to hold a position of power. wildthing666
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.
You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article
I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together?
I find your comment(s) not only offensive but also a sad reflection of the kind of person you are, I have had the good fortune to have never met you, but I have this mental picture of someone who at school was the kid no one talked to, as teenager never had a girlfriend, and as a adult has little if anything in life, I make no apology if you find my comments offensive, rude, or anything else for that matter, you are without doubt the most childish immature person I have never met
You choose to constantly call me names and yet cannot handle criticism.

Instead of psychoanalysing me you should perhaps be a little more introspective yourself, certainly moderate your own name calling when people have different viewpoint to your own.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: I can see why she never made it as a Playboy Model.[/p][/quote]You really are a PLANK she was a former Playboy model in fact she was Playboys Playmate of the month in March 1987, do you ever read the article[/p][/quote]I bet you have a copy somewhere with pages stuck together?[/p][/quote]I find your comment(s) not only offensive but also a sad reflection of the kind of person you are, I have had the good fortune to have never met you, but I have this mental picture of someone who at school was the kid no one talked to, as teenager never had a girlfriend, and as a adult has little if anything in life, I make no apology if you find my comments offensive, rude, or anything else for that matter, you are without doubt the most childish immature person I have never met[/p][/quote]You choose to constantly call me names and yet cannot handle criticism. Instead of psychoanalysing me you should perhaps be a little more introspective yourself, certainly moderate your own name calling when people have different viewpoint to your own. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -13

3:29pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tjm01 says...

Constructive criticism is fine, guttersniping filth is not, and I bet my psychoanalysis of you is bang on

NOW GO AWAY!
Constructive criticism is fine, guttersniping filth is not, and I bet my psychoanalysis of you is bang on NOW GO AWAY! tjm01
  • Score: 8

3:39pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

tjm01 wrote:
Constructive criticism is fine, guttersniping filth is not, and I bet my psychoanalysis of you is bang on

NOW GO AWAY!
If You have a professional qualification in psychiatry, You should ask for your fees to be reimbursed.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: Constructive criticism is fine, guttersniping filth is not, and I bet my psychoanalysis of you is bang on NOW GO AWAY![/p][/quote]If You have a professional qualification in psychiatry, You should ask for your fees to be reimbursed. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -11

9:18pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

T. Watts wrote:
jonny mash wrote:
"If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy!

Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!
You are. T Watt, you never criticise your beloved Tony Bliar who has caused this country more trouble in the last 15 years than Any other Prime Minister has in 150 years and has paved the way for future disaster for years to come.
[quote][p][bold]T. Watts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonny mash[/bold] wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill[/p][/quote]Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike![/p][/quote]You are. T Watt, you never criticise your beloved Tony Bliar who has caused this country more trouble in the last 15 years than Any other Prime Minister has in 150 years and has paved the way for future disaster for years to come. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -2

9:32pm Fri 25 Jul 14

snacker says...

jonny mash wrote:
T. Watts wrote:
jonny mash wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!
It's a great insight from the greatest ever Briton. If it weren't for Winny your name would be "Herr T.Watts von Nonsense" and you would be forced to salute a Swastika flying over 10 Downing Street, I've not heard the quote about firing on ordinary workers who dare to strike but maybe the lazy teachers and tube drivers who are forever striking for no good reason should be made aware of it
From that right wing anti trade union rant it sounds as though Mr Churchill let a few slip through the net.
[quote][p][bold]jonny mash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]T. Watts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonny mash[/bold] wrote: "If you are not a socialist in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you are a socialist in your 40s you don't have a brain" - Sir Winston Churchill[/p][/quote]Yeah, a great insight from a rich, privately educated, privileged member of the aristocracy! Shame no-one ever quotes his lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike![/p][/quote]It's a great insight from the greatest ever Briton. If it weren't for Winny your name would be "Herr T.Watts von Nonsense" and you would be forced to salute a Swastika flying over 10 Downing Street, I've not heard the quote about firing on ordinary workers who dare to strike but maybe the lazy teachers and tube drivers who are forever striking for no good reason should be made aware of it[/p][/quote]From that right wing anti trade union rant it sounds as though Mr Churchill let a few slip through the net. snacker
  • Score: 5

11:02pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mdj says...

'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!'

Including you, it seems; can you help us out?

As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing.

While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time.

You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely?
'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!' Including you, it seems; can you help us out? As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing. While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time. You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely? mdj
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Linzi1 says...

We're not a wealthy country anymore since the Eastern Euros invaded us & ponce on us by getting council houses & flats, free doctors, free schooling, free dentists, free medication & the list goes on! Also the vast amount of money we sent overseas & to the dregs of poor countries in the EU like Albania, Poland & Romania, what do they give us? Fuc* all, apart from their shi* people in the ponce! I don't agree with council properties or any benefits whatsoever! get a job & if not starve on the streets with your scummy kids!!! That also goes for English people! Thank god we moved 300 miles away & on 30uly my husband, me & the rest of my family are emigrating permanently outside the EU!!!!!! LINZI BRINDLE nee DOZE
We're not a wealthy country anymore since the Eastern Euros invaded us & ponce on us by getting council houses & flats, free doctors, free schooling, free dentists, free medication & the list goes on! Also the vast amount of money we sent overseas & to the dregs of poor countries in the EU like Albania, Poland & Romania, what do they give us? Fuc* all, apart from their shi* people in the ponce! I don't agree with council properties or any benefits whatsoever! get a job & if not starve on the streets with your scummy kids!!! That also goes for English people! Thank god we moved 300 miles away & on 30uly my husband, me & the rest of my family are emigrating permanently outside the EU!!!!!! LINZI BRINDLE nee DOZE Linzi1
  • Score: -9

5:46pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Linzi1 says...

30th July 2014 it cant come sooner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
30th July 2014 it cant come sooner!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Linzi1
  • Score: -1

8:02pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

Linzi1 wrote:
We're not a wealthy country anymore since the Eastern Euros invaded us & ponce on us by getting council houses & flats, free doctors, free schooling, free dentists, free medication & the list goes on! Also the vast amount of money we sent overseas & to the dregs of poor countries in the EU like Albania, Poland & Romania, what do they give us? Fuc* all, apart from their shi* people in the ponce! I don't agree with council properties or any benefits whatsoever! get a job & if not starve on the streets with your scummy kids!!! That also goes for English people! Thank god we moved 300 miles away & on 30uly my husband, me & the rest of my family are emigrating permanently outside the EU!!!!!! LINZI BRINDLE nee DOZE
England will certainly be a much better place without you, thanks for leaving.

Will you pop back to re-sign you dole claims and for the odd operation on our NHS?

You really sound an awfully smug type and rather stupid to openly burn bridges.
[quote][p][bold]Linzi1[/bold] wrote: We're not a wealthy country anymore since the Eastern Euros invaded us & ponce on us by getting council houses & flats, free doctors, free schooling, free dentists, free medication & the list goes on! Also the vast amount of money we sent overseas & to the dregs of poor countries in the EU like Albania, Poland & Romania, what do they give us? Fuc* all, apart from their shi* people in the ponce! I don't agree with council properties or any benefits whatsoever! get a job & if not starve on the streets with your scummy kids!!! That also goes for English people! Thank god we moved 300 miles away & on 30uly my husband, me & the rest of my family are emigrating permanently outside the EU!!!!!! LINZI BRINDLE nee DOZE[/p][/quote]England will certainly be a much better place without you, thanks for leaving. Will you pop back to re-sign you dole claims and for the odd operation on our NHS? You really sound an awfully smug type and rather stupid to openly burn bridges. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Tue 29 Jul 14

T. Watts says...

mdj wrote:
'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!'

Including you, it seems; can you help us out?

As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing.

While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time.

You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely?
Actually, know-it-all, Churchill DID send troops to repress striking miners at the Tonypandy Mine strikes of 1910-11. He gave them free rein to open fire on the strikers and then, many years later, admitted he was terrified that they might actually do this! Fortunately, the officers in charge had more sober heads. However, Churchill's use of soldiers did enable the strike to be broken and the 'ringleaders' (not my phrase) to be quickly rounded up, put before kangeroo courts and sent to prison.

Obviously your education was pretty shoddy mdj, if they didn't cover this. Probably why you're wrong on almost everything else.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!' Including you, it seems; can you help us out? As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing. While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time. You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely?[/p][/quote]Actually, know-it-all, Churchill DID send troops to repress striking miners at the Tonypandy Mine strikes of 1910-11. He gave them free rein to open fire on the strikers and then, many years later, admitted he was terrified that they might actually do this! Fortunately, the officers in charge had more sober heads. However, Churchill's use of soldiers did enable the strike to be broken and the 'ringleaders' (not my phrase) to be quickly rounded up, put before kangeroo courts and sent to prison. Obviously your education was pretty shoddy mdj, if they didn't cover this. Probably why you're wrong on almost everything else. T. Watts
  • Score: 5

10:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

T. Watts wrote:
mdj wrote:
'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!'

Including you, it seems; can you help us out?

As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing.

While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time.

You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely?
Actually, know-it-all, Churchill DID send troops to repress striking miners at the Tonypandy Mine strikes of 1910-11. He gave them free rein to open fire on the strikers and then, many years later, admitted he was terrified that they might actually do this! Fortunately, the officers in charge had more sober heads. However, Churchill's use of soldiers did enable the strike to be broken and the 'ringleaders' (not my phrase) to be quickly rounded up, put before kangeroo courts and sent to prison.

Obviously your education was pretty shoddy mdj, if they didn't cover this. Probably why you're wrong on almost everything else.
The Tonypandy Mine Strike Story Wot I Rote
By TWAtts in a nutshell.
[quote][p][bold]T. Watts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Shame no-one ever quotes his (Churchill's) lines about troops opening fire on ordinary workers who dare to strike!' Including you, it seems; can you help us out? As a child I heard stories of Churchill sending troops to suppress miners' strikes that turned out to be false - he sent policemen to suppress violent picketing, not at all the same thing. While I'm sure Churchill would win nobody's prize for political correctness today, he was directly responsible for the setting-up of the first labour exchanges, and the introduction of minimum wages boards in several key industries - an extremely good record by the standards of his time. You mention these comments of his, so you must have them within reach, surely?[/p][/quote]Actually, know-it-all, Churchill DID send troops to repress striking miners at the Tonypandy Mine strikes of 1910-11. He gave them free rein to open fire on the strikers and then, many years later, admitted he was terrified that they might actually do this! Fortunately, the officers in charge had more sober heads. However, Churchill's use of soldiers did enable the strike to be broken and the 'ringleaders' (not my phrase) to be quickly rounded up, put before kangeroo courts and sent to prison. Obviously your education was pretty shoddy mdj, if they didn't cover this. Probably why you're wrong on almost everything else.[/p][/quote]The Tonypandy Mine Strike Story Wot I Rote By TWAtts in a nutshell. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -5

3:16am Thu 31 Jul 14

SerenWib says...

No-one was killed at Tonypandy due to Churchill's actions, but they were at Llanelli in 1911, an event that has almost been forgotten whilst Tonypandy is the one that is remembered.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Llanelli_Ri
ots_of_1911

Sadly, the article refers to it as 'riots'. It was more like a violent protest against oppression and bad treatment received from soldiers acting on the orders of Churchill.
No-one was killed at Tonypandy due to Churchill's actions, but they were at Llanelli in 1911, an event that has almost been forgotten whilst Tonypandy is the one that is remembered. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Llanelli_Ri ots_of_1911 Sadly, the article refers to it as 'riots'. It was more like a violent protest against oppression and bad treatment received from soldiers acting on the orders of Churchill. SerenWib
  • Score: 4

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