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WALTHAMSTOW: Three injured in shopping centre brawl

5:06pm Friday 7th March 2008

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By Carl Brown »

TWO people were stabbed and a third injured in a brawl in Selborne Walk shopping centre, Walthamstow.

The incident happened outside Claire's Accessories at about 3.30pm on Friday.

An 18-year-old man and a 69-year-old man were taken to hospital and treated for stab wounds and a 25-year-old man suffered head injuries.

The two stab victims suffered serious injuries but they are not thought to be life-threatening.

The 25-year-old was treated for minor head injuries.

A passerby said: "I was walking past and saw a lot of blood, the doors of the shopping centre were taped up but I looked through the window.

"I could see what looked like a boy of about 14 with an ambulance crew attending to him."

Two ambulances and a fast response car attended the scene.

Waltham Forest CID are investigating.

There have been no arrests so far. If you have information, call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

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JF, watham forest says...
6:59pm Fri 7 Mar 08

Isn't this about 25 yards from the Police Station?

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araly, walthamstow says...
7:21pm Fri 7 Mar 08

It's right!!!... The police station is close to the shopping.However it's never open...How save could us be in the community?!!!!Lack of police, lack of cameras and the council tax, and penalt charge goes high everyday...but safety?!!!KKKKKKKKK.

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willowfielder, says...
8:22pm Fri 7 Mar 08

JF wrote:
Isn\'t this about 25 yards from the Police Station?

Things are getting really bad the stabbings are getting closer and closer how do you ever know when your safe.You mentioned the boys looked 14.Aren't they supposed to be in school.And another important point is the police station on forest road??

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J, says...
9:03pm Fri 7 Mar 08

I work in one of the stores in the mall and what i first saw of the incident was a youth getting chased by mall security, withing 5mins of that the mall was full of police and security leading people out the mall so the situation was dealt with pretty swiftly. Did see someone on the floor shortly after with a lot of blood nearby and a pensioner getting took away on stretcher. Today did'nt surprise me, we all know a lot of people go around carrying knifes its just a matter of when they decide to use it.

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Local, says...
9:19pm Fri 7 Mar 08

A mandatory 5 year prison term must be introduced for carrying a knife.

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me, walthamstow says...
9:31pm Fri 7 Mar 08

willowfielder wrote:

JF wrote: Isn\\\'t this about 25 yards from the Police Station?
Things are getting really bad the stabbings are getting closer and closer how do you ever know when your safe.You mentioned the boys looked 14.Aren\'t they supposed to be in school.And another important point is the police station on forest road??

But it ws 3.30pm so they dont have to be in school because it can finish before that lie aveling park school which finishes at 2.30pm

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Ez, walthamstow says...
9:31pm Fri 7 Mar 08

A 5 year sentence would be nice but the Prison are full so crimes walk the streets every day.

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bob marley, jamrock says...
10:04pm Fri 7 Mar 08

what actully happend. which school did the boys who got stabbed come from. ????

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JF, Waltham forest says...
10:04pm Fri 7 Mar 08

Willowfielder -There is a police station opposite the High Street Entrance to the Mall at Selbourne Walk', home to the ironically named 'Safer Neighbourhood Team', responsible for the High Street.

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charchar, Wanstead E11 says...
10:22pm Fri 7 Mar 08

Hs anybody heard if these boys are ok or not including the olderly person!I think this is a disgrace that young people can actuallly give themselves a nam e and then wounder why they get a bad name?Its pathetic and solves nothing, and these young yobs should be locked up and the key be thrown away. If anyones has any idea who did this then they should report it to the police as this could happen to their child or even them! Everyone knows its anon so nothing comes back to them apart from the feeling that they have done good and could have possiably saved another inoccent persons life. THINK ABOUT IT GUYS WOULDN'T YOU RATHER LIVE IN A SAFER ENVIROMENT AND NEIGHBERHOOD.x

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postman, station road says...
10:32pm Fri 7 Mar 08

if stabing is carriing on that means that police aint doing what should be done

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Concerned, Walthamstow says...
10:35pm Fri 7 Mar 08

I live just minutes away and im 15 myself. These stabbings effect everyone and wha is most concerning is that the police station was closed. How are us children/youths supposed to feel safe if the police don't even do their job properly?

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bob, says...
10:46pm Fri 7 Mar 08

some idiots in these days they will stabb u for free for fun

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md250, ilford says...
11:32pm Fri 7 Mar 08

used to be a mkt trader in the high street

been gone 7 years now

what a dustbin the area has become,

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Mr. T. C. Hull, Walthamstow says...
12:36am Sat 8 Mar 08

These days there is no discipline in society. Yobbos think they can do what they like on the streets and unfortunately lack of proper control by the authorities means that incidents like this will only continue!!

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ali, walthamstow says...
2:52am Sat 8 Mar 08

well what can we do now im only 15. but its nothing big thing like this happen everyday around here its become a part of life now who knows probably i might be the next victim since the police are so slow at what there doing and come on the police station is right next to the mall

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HOE ST'ER, HOE STREET says...
8:16am Sat 8 Mar 08

There was another incident yards away by Barclays Bank at around the same time.

It involved a cab driver and the occupants of an Audi. The cab driver smashed the car up with his bare hands.

Lots of police around and an air ambulance called.

This area is getting worse.

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nana, london says...
8:50am Sat 8 Mar 08

what happened by baclays i work near there and we heard some one had been hit by a car and went through the window of barclays bank after reading the previous comments it seems this is nit true which is a relief but does anyone know actually what did happen and not rumours

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shop worker, walthamstow says...
9:27am Sat 8 Mar 08

i tired of people saying police are not doing there job, you will have to have a police officer every few metres for this to stop if stupid people want to go around stabbing others they will its a shame but thats the world we live in, people have no respect for life. what happened to the day when you got in a fight took a few punchies and that was it why do you need to kill some one.

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technomist, Walthamstow says...
11:31am Sat 8 Mar 08

Shop Worker - you may just accept these levels of violence, but there is no need for the rest of us to.

The robbery rate in Walthamstow is a scandal: There were 8.67 robberies per 1000 people in Walthamstow according to the July 2007 statistics compared to a National average of 1.13. There are a few simple things that can be done to decrease tensions and make the social environment more pleasant and its not all down to the police, who in my view work quite hard but do not work very smart (its often due to decisions about manning levels and operational policies made miles away). Lets get local shop owners in the High Street to stop selling full-face mask hoodies, for instance.

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julkasas, 609-714 says...
12:03pm Sat 8 Mar 08

lietuva juodziai pyderai nx lopai

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jayjay, walthamstow says...
2:07pm Sat 8 Mar 08

I was in selborne at the time it all happend so fast. Im 16 myself and i could never brandish a weapon let alone use it! Youths need to wise up and grow up and QUICK!

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Cassidy, Walthamstow says...
4:00pm Sat 8 Mar 08

I have been resident in Walthamstow for 32 years and the Walthamstow I see now is not the one I grew up in. This is not the first occurrance of this kind and sadly it will not be the last. Walthamstow seems to have a magnetic pull for immigrants and alcoholics and it isn't the biggest of London boroughs. The children in the borough have no identity or respect for either age or authority and are eagre to emulate the US gang culture without looking at the bigger picture.Our This lack of respect begins in a home where the children are taught English in school but the parents refuse to learn or speak it therefore becoming oblivious to the manner in which their children are conducting themselves, I refer to the posting from

julkasas,lietuva juodziai pyderai nx lopaiquote

Now I am going to assume that the moderators understand the posting but in a multcultural borough where the predominant language was English (until recently) why place ths posting without a translation for us all to understand?Ignorance is not always bliss! I am not saying that all of these incidents are as a result of these newcomers, but the lack of integration is going to be the detriment of this once tolerant community.

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John, Hoe Street says...
5:58pm Sat 8 Mar 08

Walthamstow is getting worse - What is Mr Loakes and Co going to do about it?

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john, walthamstow says...
5:59pm Sat 8 Mar 08

bad things done by bad people, If someone wants to stab someone they will do it, it makes no difference if their are a million police on the streets they will still do it! What it needs is the memebers of the public that know these people to report them to the Police and so they can be brought to justice, and the government are to blame for not having enough place in the prisons to lock these thugs up.

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Dan, E17 says...
6:12pm Sat 8 Mar 08

ali wrote:
well what can we do now im only 15. but its nothing big thing like this happen everyday around here its become a part of life now who knows probably i might be the next victim since the police are so slow at what there doing and come on the police station is right next to the mall

We are truly living in the age of Generation Moron.

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mikey, says...
8:49pm Sat 8 Mar 08

Want a policeman, call in the cafe at the Bell corner, 4 patrol cars and at least 10 officers always available, well at least after they've finished their tea first.

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anon, e11 says...
11:18pm Sat 8 Mar 08

one of them actually died...o this articles old.

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CH, says...
12:19am Sun 9 Mar 08

John wrote:
Walthamstow is getting worse - What is Mr Loakes and Co going to do about it?

F a

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gary, e17 says...
8:10am Sun 9 Mar 08

awful incident, long withe care outside poll ta house. We eede to be careful in the market, by all means necessary clean up the area, all the drunks that congregate etc. My partne nearly got robbed on Saturday afternoon by some **** in the high st and some lads in a chicken shop came out to see she was ok so all youth not the same. The Counmcil and Police must do more. We must tell them though.

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Mohammed, London says...
8:26am Sun 9 Mar 08

The truth is that the Police do not want to help us anymore. We all need to take the safety of our families and ourselves into our own hands.

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Tyson Smith, Walthamstow says...
1:40pm Sun 9 Mar 08

The police are here to uphold the law its the parents and the community that are supposed to give kids the direction they need to become confident caring citizens. I'm a Canadian born teacher and as a teacher I feel like a police officer. There are alot more police employed here than in Canada and my honest opinion they are more productive over here as well. The fact is that they can't be everywhere all the time but each and everyone of these yobs have parents or at least a parent that are partially to blame. I ring home alot of my students and I know what the quality of parenting is like in this city. ABSOLUTELY ATTROCIOUS!

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Walthamster, E17 says...
11:49pm Sun 9 Mar 08

Mohammed, it's not true to say the police don't want to help, but it is true that their hands are tied by red tape.

I once reported a conman who was going door to door getting money off old people pretending it was for charity. I spent hours at the police station giving a series of statements. The police spent months making a case and getting him to court.

He got a few weeks holiday in prison and was back at 'work' the day he got out.

Like teachers, the police now have to spend half their time filling in meaningless forms that no one will ever read. That's where they are when we need them!

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Chuckles, Leyton says...
9:54am Mon 10 Mar 08

Love the way so many people automatically assume "immigrants" were involved in this incident. ANother stabbing and all the closet racists come out to play...

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worker in the mall, walthamstow says...
12:02pm Mon 10 Mar 08

every 1 keep going on about a 14 year old boy! if you read it properly it says that he looks 14 but he wernt as stated in the article above!....
as i work in the shop that it happened next to it wasnnt a nice sight but things happen every where not just in walthamstow!.
it could have happened anywhere and any time.
the mall security worked hard and the police arrived very quiukly to the scene, they done a good job considering there was a masive audience standing, watching and getting in the way of medical assistance. parents are not to blame i am 17 myself and have bin brought up well, when you go out with your friend when you start becoming a teenager you choose your own path thats either the streets or education.and not alot of young people choose education as its dull.

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No Laughing Matter, Walthamstow says...
2:08pm Mon 10 Mar 08

Chuckles wrote:
Love the way so many people automatically assume "immigrants" were involved in this incident. ANother stabbing and all the closet racists come out to play...

You have not read the postings correctly. No one has apportioned any blame directly to immigrants, or assumed that immigrants were involved. What was infact said was that crime is escalating as a result of the enormous changes to the social structure of the borough. You cannot argue that the borough has had an influx of immigrants ,alcoholicsand care-in the community! those are facts not indications of "closet racism" If anything the bias in this forum has been towards the manner in which the police handled the situation (or didn't depending on what you choose to believe)Our police are simply not equipped to handle the level of "organised" crime now present on our shores.

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technomist, walthamstow says...
3:35pm Mon 10 Mar 08

No Laughing Matter - There was a post put on this morning which I think Chuckles is referring to, but it was deleted by the moderator.

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Hugh Thompson-Smythe, Sussex says...
5:20pm Mon 10 Mar 08

These oafs need birching and flogging. What the hell is a 69 year old man hanging around with youth gangs for and all carrying knives. He should know better and should grow up! I had an occasion to stop for a meal in Walthamstow once on my way to Loghton which is a lovely area. After a mediocre meal , I came outside to find my vehicle on bricks and yobbos syphoning my petrol. I chased them away as I do not consider myself a quitter.

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Alan Smith, says...
11:01pm Tue 11 Mar 08

What the hell is a 69 year old man hanging around with youth gangs for and all carrying knives.

He was probably an innocent bystander. Even in a toilet like Walthamstow it should be possible to do your shopping without getting a knife in your kidneys.

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VenusPieTrap, London says...
9:24pm Sat 22 Mar 08

Tyson Smith wrote:
The police are here to uphold the law its the parents and the community that are supposed to give kids the direction they need to become confident caring citizens. I'm a Canadian born teacher and as a teacher I feel like a police officer. There are alot more police employed here than in Canada and my honest opinion they are more productive over here as well. The fact is that they can't be everywhere all the time but each and everyone of these yobs have parents or at least a parent that are partially to blame. I ring home alot of my students and I know what the quality of parenting is like in this city. ABSOLUTELY ATTROCIOUS!

Well I think you are stereotyping there to say that the quality of parenting in "this city" is ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS! I could just as easily say the quality of education in Canada is ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS as you say you are a teacher and yet seem to be completely unaware that "a" and "lot" are two separate words"!!

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