WALTHAMSTOW: Anti-EDL campaigners defy march ban

WALTHAMSTOW: Anti-EDL campaigners defy march ban

Protesters pushed their way through a police cordon in Hoe Street to march a short distance towards Walthamstow Central station.

Police formed a cordon at the top of Walthamstow High Street in an attempt to stop campaigners marching.

But campaigners outnumbered police and marched down Hoe Street.

Protesters in Hoe Street.

First published in Waltham Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

CAMPAIGNERS against the far-right English Defence League (EDL) defied a protest ban by marching through Walthamstow after scuffles with police this afternoon.

Officers struggled to contain a crowd of several hundred who broke away from a legal static protest outside the former EMD cinema in Hoe Street at around 1.30pm.

Protesters pushed through a cordon and marched several hundred metres down to the junction with Selborne Road, where police reinforcements eventually stopped them.

The campaigners have now largely dispersed.

The static protest began at 11am and was organised by umbrella group We Are Waltham Forest (WAWF) and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) to celebrate their "defeat" of the EDL in the borough.

The EDL, which claims to be a movement opposed to Islamic extremism but which critics say is racist, had wanted to march through Walthamstow today (Saturday October 27).

But earlier this week the government issued a ban on all marches in the borough for 30 days following police intelligence there could be violence and disruption.

The Met also imposed special "conditions" on the EDL which meant its supporters could only hold a static demonstration outside the Houses of Parliament.

The Guardian witnessed two youths being led from the town centre by police at 10.30am but there was otherwise no visible presence of any possible EDL supporters in Walthamstow.

Estimates over the number of people who attended the static anti-EDL rally vary from 200 to 1,000.

A series of figures, including union representatives and WAWF campaigners, held speeches from a lorry before the crowd was told to "walk orderly" back to Walthamstow Central by organisers just after 1pm.

But defiant sections of the crowd chanted "let us march" and pushed past police who were outnumbered.

The Guardian did not witness anyone being arrested or injured.

Some protesters and police officers pushed each other but this newspaper did not see any serious violence.

Meanwhile a council-organised funday on the adjacent Arcade Site and town square designed to celebrate the borough's diversity was largely unaffected by the protest.

Fairground rides on the Arcade Site did not open at 11am as advertised and attendance was initially low, although later in the day dozens of families and children came to enjoy the activities.

However speakers at the anti-EDL rally criticised the event, including Walthamstow vicar Stephen Saxby, who described it as a "farce".


He said: "There are table tennis tables there - how is that celebrating the multiculturalism of this borough?"

Rev Saxby also criticised the ban on all marches in the borough, calling it a "disgraceful attack on local democracy".

His views were echoed by other speakers such as Jo Cardwell of WAWF.

She told the crowd: "The only reason why they [the police] applied for a ban today is not because they suddenly realised that the EDL is fascist, but because they knew there would be at least 7,000 people on the streets of Walthamstow against the EDL."
 

She added: "Walthamstow has broken the back of the EDL. We've built the coffin that they've climbed into".

Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy, who attended the anti-EDL rally as an observer, said she had been told by police that just 15 EDL supporters turned up to its static protest in Westminster.

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2:41pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

These people are not 'campaigners'. They are just a pain.

The Socialist Workers Party, the UAF and 'We are Waltham Forest', the people who organised this pantomime, should apologize to the local residents for the widespread disruption their road blocking activities cause this afternoon and compensate all the businesses and individuals who were inconvenienced.
These people are not 'campaigners'. They are just a pain. The Socialist Workers Party, the UAF and 'We are Waltham Forest', the people who organised this pantomime, should apologize to the local residents for the widespread disruption their road blocking activities cause this afternoon and compensate all the businesses and individuals who were inconvenienced. Techno3
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2:49pm Sat 27 Oct 12

E17_er says...

Lost all credibility when they insisted on marching. Just as bad as the EDL
Lost all credibility when they insisted on marching. Just as bad as the EDL E17_er
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3:14pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

E17_er wrote:
Lost all credibility when they insisted on marching. Just as bad as the EDL
Its all a very great pity. A number of naive people have been exploited by various factions, (the Socialist Party and the Socialist Worker's Party are just two of the more prominent) who have been vying for influence during this whole anti-EDL escapade.

Father Steven Saxby, who was used by these nasty people as the face of their front organisation 'We are Waltham Forest' should think long and hard about whether he has done the Church of England any favours by getting involved in the manner he did. if he wants to be a street politician, of course, that is his right, but can he please take off his robes and dog collar if he wants to make common cause with violent authoritarians who are out to disrupt the peace of our community?

A number of members of the Labour Party can also be ashamed of themselves - their official banner was one feature of the road block in Hoe Street this afternoon, despite Stella Creasy and John Cryer pretending to show 'leadership' to the general public by telling people to stay away. It seems the Labour Party were trying to have their cake and eat it.

Having a funfair on the arcade site, (albeit with huge orange jacketted bouncers around the place), right next to today's battleground was also a particularly foolhardy move by Chris Robbins. From what I saw, not many people there were having all that much fun. Luckily things didn't spill over and no children were hurt as far as is known.
[quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: Lost all credibility when they insisted on marching. Just as bad as the EDL[/p][/quote]Its all a very great pity. A number of naive people have been exploited by various factions, (the Socialist Party and the Socialist Worker's Party are just two of the more prominent) who have been vying for influence during this whole anti-EDL escapade. Father Steven Saxby, who was used by these nasty people as the face of their front organisation 'We are Waltham Forest' should think long and hard about whether he has done the Church of England any favours by getting involved in the manner he did. if he wants to be a street politician, of course, that is his right, but can he please take off his robes and dog collar if he wants to make common cause with violent authoritarians who are out to disrupt the peace of our community? A number of members of the Labour Party can also be ashamed of themselves - their official banner was one feature of the road block in Hoe Street this afternoon, despite Stella Creasy and John Cryer pretending to show 'leadership' to the general public by telling people to stay away. It seems the Labour Party were trying to have their cake and eat it. Having a funfair on the arcade site, (albeit with huge orange jacketted bouncers around the place), right next to today's battleground was also a particularly foolhardy move by Chris Robbins. From what I saw, not many people there were having all that much fun. Luckily things didn't spill over and no children were hurt as far as is known. Techno3
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3:16pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Sam Hain says...

Flip side of the same coin - nutters the lot of 'em!
Flip side of the same coin - nutters the lot of 'em! Sam Hain
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3:44pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again. Helen, Walthamstow
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3:48pm Sat 27 Oct 12

mdj says...

'That's what's called an own goal.'

Not sure: if the EDL didn't exist, the hard left would have to invent them. As it is, it sometimes seems that MI5, or maybe Tom Sharpe, did.
Is it really true that they organised a rally to commemorate 9/11 on the NINTH of September?
'That's what's called an own goal.' Not sure: if the EDL didn't exist, the hard left would have to invent them. As it is, it sometimes seems that MI5, or maybe Tom Sharpe, did. Is it really true that they organised a rally to commemorate 9/11 on the NINTH of September? mdj
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3:57pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

There is a symbiotic relationship between the far left and groups like the EDL. Without the EDL to pretend to keep wanting to 'smash' the far left won't have as much excuse to stick their nose in everywhere pretending they want to 'unite' people to 'fight' whoever it is they are currently calling fascists.

The far left use these rallies to spread propaganda and recruit and compete with the other left wing groups for supporters and to raise funds, often tapping into union budgets and setting up anti-racist 'umbrella groups' that they then also use for seeking private and public funds. They don't care if the lives of the public are disrupted of course.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the far left and groups like the EDL. Without the EDL to pretend to keep wanting to 'smash' the far left won't have as much excuse to stick their nose in everywhere pretending they want to 'unite' people to 'fight' whoever it is they are currently calling fascists. The far left use these rallies to spread propaganda and recruit and compete with the other left wing groups for supporters and to raise funds, often tapping into union budgets and setting up anti-racist 'umbrella groups' that they then also use for seeking private and public funds. They don't care if the lives of the public are disrupted of course. Techno3
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4:07pm Sat 27 Oct 12

chubby1970 says...

It all looks very peaceful and law abiding. As usual the police have learnt nothing from the riots of last year where they stood back and let the mobs take control of the streets because they were to scared of upsetting someone.
It all looks very peaceful and law abiding. As usual the police have learnt nothing from the riots of last year where they stood back and let the mobs take control of the streets because they were to scared of upsetting someone. chubby1970
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4:30pm Sat 27 Oct 12

TerryDee says...

R.I.P. stands for Racists In Pieces. The EDL fascists failed today - whilst anti-EDL peaceful protesters marched in celebration. Very special thanks to Rev Saxby for his role in ensuring a peaceful but proudly determined community response.
R.I.P. stands for Racists In Pieces. The EDL fascists failed today - whilst anti-EDL peaceful protesters marched in celebration. Very special thanks to Rev Saxby for his role in ensuring a peaceful but proudly determined community response. TerryDee
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5:01pm Sat 27 Oct 12

styler30 says...

I work in walthamstow in a shop with a clear view i witnessed the anti edl march. If i was unable to read i would not been able to tell them apart from the edl themselves . they broke the law whoever said todays edl march was peacefull well live in on another planet what an own goal !!!! mobs of any kind even for the right reasons contradict your message of anti fascism instead walthamstow was dissrupted by its own people today and the edl didnt even have to jump on the victoria line
I work in walthamstow in a shop with a clear view i witnessed the anti edl march. If i was unable to read i would not been able to tell them apart from the edl themselves . they broke the law whoever said todays edl march was peacefull well live in on another planet what an own goal !!!! mobs of any kind even for the right reasons contradict your message of anti fascism instead walthamstow was dissrupted by its own people today and the edl didnt even have to jump on the victoria line styler30
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5:20pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism.
Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now.
The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.[/p][/quote]We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism. Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now. The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures. Nancy Taaffe
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5:44pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Nancy Taaffe wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism.
Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now.
The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.
Let me make it simple for you Nancy.

The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing.

Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.
[quote][p][bold]Nancy Taaffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.[/p][/quote]We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism. Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now. The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.[/p][/quote]Let me make it simple for you Nancy. The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing. Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing. Alan_1976
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6:12pm Sat 27 Oct 12

TerryDee says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Nancy Taaffe wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism.
Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now.
The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.
Let me make it simple for you Nancy.

The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing.

Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.
The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!!
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nancy Taaffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.[/p][/quote]We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism. Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now. The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.[/p][/quote]Let me make it simple for you Nancy. The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing. Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.[/p][/quote]The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!! TerryDee
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6:15pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Dave mp says...

Like i said on a previous posting, One lot of idiots 'throwing' insults (and other things) at another batch of idiots. All good family people? I HOPE NOT!
Like i said on a previous posting, One lot of idiots 'throwing' insults (and other things) at another batch of idiots. All good family people? I HOPE NOT! Dave mp
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6:24pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

TerryDee wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Nancy Taaffe wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism.
Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now.
The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.
Let me make it simple for you Nancy.

The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing.

Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.
The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!!
Helen.
Did you march? Did you get out from behind your computer or are you just content to sit in high moral judgement on those that did and do?
Not trouble makers....anti-racis
ts and fascists, that's what today was all about and that's a good thing.
Stella Creasy was wrong to get behind the ban and wrong to bloc with IDS and others and urge people not to come to the counter demo.
Britain's cuts programme has been called Greece in slow motion and in order for us to not have a similar formation like that of The Golden Dawn here, we must link the struggle against cuts and austerity to fighting the far right.
[quote][p][bold]TerryDee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nancy Taaffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.[/p][/quote]We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism. Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now. The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.[/p][/quote]Let me make it simple for you Nancy. The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing. Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.[/p][/quote]The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!![/p][/quote]Helen. Did you march? Did you get out from behind your computer or are you just content to sit in high moral judgement on those that did and do? Not trouble makers....anti-racis ts and fascists, that's what today was all about and that's a good thing. Stella Creasy was wrong to get behind the ban and wrong to bloc with IDS and others and urge people not to come to the counter demo. Britain's cuts programme has been called Greece in slow motion and in order for us to not have a similar formation like that of The Golden Dawn here, we must link the struggle against cuts and austerity to fighting the far right. Nancy Taaffe
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6:32pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Jocee17 says...

Today was an incredible day. Far from being naive, or pretending that the far right can be ignored, local residents showed that the streets of Walthamstow belong to the local community and not fascist or nazi groups like the EDL.

They wanted to come here to peddle their message of race-hate and division and we didn't let them. On the 1 September 4000 of us made it very clear where we stood - together and united.

The EDL should have learnt their lesson then, but they ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Let's not forget what these people stand for. Anders Breivik, the Norwegian nazi who killed 77 innocent people, admired the EDL. Last week their whole leadership were arrested on the way to attack a mosque in East London. These are a bunch of racist thugs. They stand against everything that is wonderful about Walthamstow - an incredibly diverse and peaceful community.

So, anyone who claims we are the flip side of the same coin needs to examine the facts. No-one should be banned from walking in their own streets and defending their community. We are Waltham Forest and Unite Against Fascism have pulled together a great coalition locally. Today we were vindicated in everything we did.

In times of economic crisis we should be vigilant against racism and fascism. Look what's happening with the growth of the far right in Europe. Look what happened in Germany in the 1930s. I stand by the statement 'never again'. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On the 1st September and today the good people stood up.

We were absolutely right to.
Today was an incredible day. Far from being naive, or pretending that the far right can be ignored, local residents showed that the streets of Walthamstow belong to the local community and not fascist or nazi groups like the EDL. They wanted to come here to peddle their message of race-hate and division and we didn't let them. On the 1 September 4000 of us made it very clear where we stood - together and united. The EDL should have learnt their lesson then, but they ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Let's not forget what these people stand for. Anders Breivik, the Norwegian nazi who killed 77 innocent people, admired the EDL. Last week their whole leadership were arrested on the way to attack a mosque in East London. These are a bunch of racist thugs. They stand against everything that is wonderful about Walthamstow - an incredibly diverse and peaceful community. So, anyone who claims we are the flip side of the same coin needs to examine the facts. No-one should be banned from walking in their own streets and defending their community. We are Waltham Forest and Unite Against Fascism have pulled together a great coalition locally. Today we were vindicated in everything we did. In times of economic crisis we should be vigilant against racism and fascism. Look what's happening with the growth of the far right in Europe. Look what happened in Germany in the 1930s. I stand by the statement 'never again'. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. On the 1st September and today the good people stood up. We were absolutely right to. Jocee17
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6:33pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

TerryDee wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Nancy Taaffe wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people.

Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed.

This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated".

That's what's called an own goal.

Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble.

Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.
We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism.
Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now.
The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.
Let me make it simple for you Nancy.

The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing.

Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.
The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!!
If I remember Cable Street there actually was an opposition there. Today there was not.

Let me repeat to you as you seem to have ignored the really simple point. Triumphal marching BAD.
[quote][p][bold]TerryDee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nancy Taaffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: What scares me most is the credibility the protestors will have given the EDL in the eyes of some people. Until now, the EDL has been a small vociferous group of thugs - albeit headline-grabbers. Along comes the SWP and its allies (a small, vociferous but ineffective group) and declares that the EDL is so important it has to be quashed. This daft demonstration "proves" that the extreme left is unpleasant, anti- democratic and going all out to disrupt. Meanwhile, apart from a few random souls, the EDL is not only absent but has been "unfairly treated". That's what's called an own goal. Nancy and her mates should have stayed well away. Her arrogant assumption of right has left the population of this borough facing repeated marches and trouble. Just ignore the EDL. And I mean ignore - turn your back on them - and they will soon go away. Treat them as important,and they will come back time and time again.[/p][/quote]We often say that those who came out against the far right in Germany in the 30's left to too late, they should have taken the threat a lot more seriously earlier. We condemn them for dismissing the threat of racism and fascism. Unfortunately closing your eyes and hoping they go away wasn't a tactic then and it isn't now. The EDL are in pieces but the threat of the far right remains. The conditions are being cultivated by the policies of the big three parties on which The EDL can thrive and we have been consistent in arguing that they must be stopped and so too must cuts and closures.[/p][/quote]Let me make it simple for you Nancy. The EDL didn't come. This is a good thing. Triumphal marching by the SWP or anyone else. Bad thing.[/p][/quote]The EDL didn't come because they were knew they would be opposed and beaten by direct action. Hitler succeeded because he was 'ignored' - the proud active community opposition today is what really stopped them appearing. And don't rely on relaxing at home and a police ban … that bans all marches for a month. The police force should not have such ridiculous sweeping powers, in Wathamstow or anywhere. By the way, don't forget to put your clocks back tonight, but not to Enoch Powell's day - but to Cable Street 1936 instead!![/p][/quote]If I remember Cable Street there actually was an opposition there. Today there was not. Let me repeat to you as you seem to have ignored the really simple point. Triumphal marching BAD. Alan_1976
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6:33pm Sat 27 Oct 12

red37red says...

mp Stella Creasy can turn up for this lot of trouble makers but cant turn up for two meetings for save our stow!!
mp Stella Creasy can turn up for this lot of trouble makers but cant turn up for two meetings for save our stow!! red37red
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6:36pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Jocee17 wrote:
Today was an incredible day. Far from being naive, or pretending that the far right can be ignored, local residents showed that the streets of Walthamstow belong to the local community and not fascist or nazi groups like the EDL.

They wanted to come here to peddle their message of race-hate and division and we didn't let them. On the 1 September 4000 of us made it very clear where we stood - together and united.

The EDL should have learnt their lesson then, but they ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Let's not forget what these people stand for. Anders Breivik, the Norwegian nazi who killed 77 innocent people, admired the EDL. Last week their whole leadership were arrested on the way to attack a mosque in East London. These are a bunch of racist thugs. They stand against everything that is wonderful about Walthamstow - an incredibly diverse and peaceful community.

So, anyone who claims we are the flip side of the same coin needs to examine the facts. No-one should be banned from walking in their own streets and defending their community. We are Waltham Forest and Unite Against Fascism have pulled together a great coalition locally. Today we were vindicated in everything we did.

In times of economic crisis we should be vigilant against racism and fascism. Look what's happening with the growth of the far right in Europe. Look what happened in Germany in the 1930s. I stand by the statement 'never again'. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On the 1st September and today the good people stood up.

We were absolutely right to.
On the 1st of September there were idiots from the EDL here.

Today the only idiots were those engaged in triumphal marching.
[quote][p][bold]Jocee17[/bold] wrote: Today was an incredible day. Far from being naive, or pretending that the far right can be ignored, local residents showed that the streets of Walthamstow belong to the local community and not fascist or nazi groups like the EDL. They wanted to come here to peddle their message of race-hate and division and we didn't let them. On the 1 September 4000 of us made it very clear where we stood - together and united. The EDL should have learnt their lesson then, but they ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Let's not forget what these people stand for. Anders Breivik, the Norwegian nazi who killed 77 innocent people, admired the EDL. Last week their whole leadership were arrested on the way to attack a mosque in East London. These are a bunch of racist thugs. They stand against everything that is wonderful about Walthamstow - an incredibly diverse and peaceful community. So, anyone who claims we are the flip side of the same coin needs to examine the facts. No-one should be banned from walking in their own streets and defending their community. We are Waltham Forest and Unite Against Fascism have pulled together a great coalition locally. Today we were vindicated in everything we did. In times of economic crisis we should be vigilant against racism and fascism. Look what's happening with the growth of the far right in Europe. Look what happened in Germany in the 1930s. I stand by the statement 'never again'. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. On the 1st September and today the good people stood up. We were absolutely right to.[/p][/quote]On the 1st of September there were idiots from the EDL here. Today the only idiots were those engaged in triumphal marching. Alan_1976
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6:56pm Sat 27 Oct 12

nomz01 says...

EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT nomz01
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7:00pm Sat 27 Oct 12

mdj says...

'..The EDL... ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back.

Back in the 70's the IRA only had to make a phone call to shut down every London rail terminal; now it seems the EDL only have to say Boo!, and the 'anti-fascists' will block our main roads at the drop of a hat.
You've given the EDL a veto on our free movement, and they didn't even have to buy an Oyster card. Not smart.
'..The EDL... ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Back in the 70's the IRA only had to make a phone call to shut down every London rail terminal; now it seems the EDL only have to say Boo!, and the 'anti-fascists' will block our main roads at the drop of a hat. You've given the EDL a veto on our free movement, and they didn't even have to buy an Oyster card. Not smart. mdj
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7:02pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
Thank you for your contribution. This was particularly enhanced by the use of capital letters. FICTION
[quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]Thank you for your contribution. This was particularly enhanced by the use of capital letters. FICTION Techno3
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7:08pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
There are many reasons why the EDL are racist. Referring to themselves as English is not one of them. FACT.
[quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]There are many reasons why the EDL are racist. Referring to themselves as English is not one of them. FACT. Alan_1976
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7:08pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

mdj wrote:
'..The EDL... ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back.

Back in the 70's the IRA only had to make a phone call to shut down every London rail terminal; now it seems the EDL only have to say Boo!, and the 'anti-fascists' will block our main roads at the drop of a hat.
You've given the EDL a veto on our free movement, and they didn't even have to buy an Oyster card. Not smart.
Yo make a very astute observation there. By building up what is essentially an incoherent group of currently leaderless former football hooligans into a terrifying proto-Hitlerian bogey-man, the far left may find themselves wasting a lot of time and energy in future having to mobilize themselves at any time and place of the EDL's choosing.

Personally, I can think of better things to do with my weekends than dancing to some yobbo's tune. It would be better to leave that sort of thing to the police to deal with, but the UAF refuse to recognise the authority of the police, so will have to respond every time to prove they can 'smash' the fascists.

The EDL, meanwhile, would only have to muster once, unopposed or outnumbering the UAF, to claim to have 'won' this silly little game... What a strange world.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: '..The EDL... ignored local people and arrogantly said they'd come back. Back in the 70's the IRA only had to make a phone call to shut down every London rail terminal; now it seems the EDL only have to say Boo!, and the 'anti-fascists' will block our main roads at the drop of a hat. You've given the EDL a veto on our free movement, and they didn't even have to buy an Oyster card. Not smart.[/p][/quote]Yo make a very astute observation there. By building up what is essentially an incoherent group of currently leaderless former football hooligans into a terrifying proto-Hitlerian bogey-man, the far left may find themselves wasting a lot of time and energy in future having to mobilize themselves at any time and place of the EDL's choosing. Personally, I can think of better things to do with my weekends than dancing to some yobbo's tune. It would be better to leave that sort of thing to the police to deal with, but the UAF refuse to recognise the authority of the police, so will have to respond every time to prove they can 'smash' the fascists. The EDL, meanwhile, would only have to muster once, unopposed or outnumbering the UAF, to claim to have 'won' this silly little game... What a strange world. Techno3
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7:36pm Sat 27 Oct 12

AWESOMESTOWE says...

Today's rally marked a very significant victory for all multi-cultural communities, not just Walthamstow. It was a huge defeat for the EDL, who were excluded from the borough and had a very weak showing in Westminster. The 'We are Waltham Forest' and Unite Against Fascism rally received widespread support, with speakers from national trade unions, including Hugh Lanning, Deputy General Secretary of the PCS, faith communities, including Richard Jacobi the Rabbi of Woodford Liberal Synagogue and Ravinder Singh from Sikhs vs the EDL. MEP Jean Lambert also joined the platform and local MP Stella Creasy. The event passed peacefully without any arrests.
Today's rally marked a very significant victory for all multi-cultural communities, not just Walthamstow. It was a huge defeat for the EDL, who were excluded from the borough and had a very weak showing in Westminster. The 'We are Waltham Forest' and Unite Against Fascism rally received widespread support, with speakers from national trade unions, including Hugh Lanning, Deputy General Secretary of the PCS, faith communities, including Richard Jacobi the Rabbi of Woodford Liberal Synagogue and Ravinder Singh from Sikhs vs the EDL. MEP Jean Lambert also joined the platform and local MP Stella Creasy. The event passed peacefully without any arrests. AWESOMESTOWE
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8:14pm Sat 27 Oct 12

chubby1970 says...

nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????
[quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ???? chubby1970
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9:15pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

AWESOMESTOWE wrote:
Today's rally marked a very significant victory for all multi-cultural communities, not just Walthamstow. It was a huge defeat for the EDL, who were excluded from the borough and had a very weak showing in Westminster. The 'We are Waltham Forest' and Unite Against Fascism rally received widespread support, with speakers from national trade unions, including Hugh Lanning, Deputy General Secretary of the PCS, faith communities, including Richard Jacobi the Rabbi of Woodford Liberal Synagogue and Ravinder Singh from Sikhs vs the EDL. MEP Jean Lambert also joined the platform and local MP Stella Creasy. The event passed peacefully without any arrests.
You forgot the tractor statistics, comrade, and the bit about the running-dogs of capitalism.
[quote][p][bold]AWESOMESTOWE[/bold] wrote: Today's rally marked a very significant victory for all multi-cultural communities, not just Walthamstow. It was a huge defeat for the EDL, who were excluded from the borough and had a very weak showing in Westminster. The 'We are Waltham Forest' and Unite Against Fascism rally received widespread support, with speakers from national trade unions, including Hugh Lanning, Deputy General Secretary of the PCS, faith communities, including Richard Jacobi the Rabbi of Woodford Liberal Synagogue and Ravinder Singh from Sikhs vs the EDL. MEP Jean Lambert also joined the platform and local MP Stella Creasy. The event passed peacefully without any arrests.[/p][/quote]You forgot the tractor statistics, comrade, and the bit about the running-dogs of capitalism. Techno3
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10:07pm Sat 27 Oct 12

themanc says...

Walthamstow is a sewer. I dont know why everyone can't just admit it.
Walthamstow is a sewer. I dont know why everyone can't just admit it. themanc
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11:27pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Jojohal says...

It's a shame. Life is tough and we are all trying to make our way along that road the best we can. We look to do the best we can for our children and the people we love. But there is a small number of our community that use bigotry as an excuse for our own failures. STOP, think first. We are all humans, we have the same feelings, dreams and aspirations. Colour, religion, caste, nationality, age, gender does not come into the equation at all. Where bigotry is an issue we all need to stand up to it what ever form it presents it's self. However, we should not peruse a course of violence as this only adds fuel to the fire. But there is also a limit where there is no option, remember the bigotry and violence of WWII.

Promote tolerance and unity, Stand up and be counted.
It's a shame. Life is tough and we are all trying to make our way along that road the best we can. We look to do the best we can for our children and the people we love. But there is a small number of our community that use bigotry as an excuse for our own failures. STOP, think first. We are all humans, we have the same feelings, dreams and aspirations. Colour, religion, caste, nationality, age, gender does not come into the equation at all. Where bigotry is an issue we all need to stand up to it what ever form it presents it's self. However, we should not peruse a course of violence as this only adds fuel to the fire. But there is also a limit where there is no option, remember the bigotry and violence of WWII. Promote tolerance and unity, Stand up and be counted. Jojohal
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11:37pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

This is so depressing.

The government bans marches in Waltham Forest, so the EDL obey the law and WAWF breaks the law. Score: EDL 1, WAWF 0.

And the EDL wasn't 'defeated' by WAWF, it just obeyed the law. That will be obvious to everyone who hears about this.

Altogether a nice big publicity coup for this insignificant far-right splinter group, courtesy of the supposed left-wing.
This is so depressing. The government bans marches in Waltham Forest, so the EDL obey the law and WAWF breaks the law. Score: EDL 1, WAWF 0. And the EDL wasn't 'defeated' by WAWF, it just obeyed the law. That will be obvious to everyone who hears about this. Altogether a nice big publicity coup for this insignificant far-right splinter group, courtesy of the supposed left-wing. Walthamster
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11:47pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

On 1 September, I spoke to a policeman who called the EDL "the skinheads" and sounded sympathetic to the WAWF opposition.

I bet all that sympathy (and many other people's) has evaporated after WAWF barged the police aside today.

And please, WAWF, stop deluding yourselves that the EDL are on a par with Hitler's army and the Luftwaffe. You are so blatantly bigging yourselves up, it's embarrassing.
On 1 September, I spoke to a policeman who called the EDL "the skinheads" and sounded sympathetic to the WAWF opposition. I bet all that sympathy (and many other people's) has evaporated after WAWF barged the police aside today. And please, WAWF, stop deluding yourselves that the EDL are on a par with Hitler's army and the Luftwaffe. You are so blatantly bigging yourselves up, it's embarrassing. Walthamster
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12:39am Sun 28 Oct 12

roger_1 says...

Look out UAF, the EDL bogeyman is behind you!
Look out UAF, the EDL bogeyman is behind you! roger_1
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8:52am Sun 28 Oct 12

SpursSupporter1 says...

chubby1970 wrote:
nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????
Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority
[quote][p][bold]chubby1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????[/p][/quote]Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority SpursSupporter1
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9:36am Sun 28 Oct 12

Isaythat says...

For any councillor from any party to encourage people to march against EDL is using you as pawns to deal with this problem on their behalf. There will not be a repeat of concentration camps and mass murder as in Hitler's time so there is no need to use that as an excuse. Freedom of speech has a downside, but it's the society we want to live in thankfully - none of us could be here now commenting if it were different.
For any councillor from any party to encourage people to march against EDL is using you as pawns to deal with this problem on their behalf. There will not be a repeat of concentration camps and mass murder as in Hitler's time so there is no need to use that as an excuse. Freedom of speech has a downside, but it's the society we want to live in thankfully - none of us could be here now commenting if it were different. Isaythat
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9:59am Sun 28 Oct 12

G_Whiz says...

There is a strange hypocrisy when socialists campaign for Muslim extreamism.

The world is going mad!
There is a strange hypocrisy when socialists campaign for Muslim extreamism. The world is going mad! G_Whiz
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10:47am Sun 28 Oct 12

scooter boy says...

SpursSupporter1 wrote:
chubby1970 wrote:
nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????
Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority
My father is an Irish Catholic from Nenagh,he served in the British army,other IRISHMEN left bombs to kill innocent people in this country!!
Get off of your high horse,nobody has called all the Irish 'bombers' you fool.
[quote][p][bold]SpursSupporter1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chubby1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????[/p][/quote]Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority[/p][/quote]My father is an Irish Catholic from Nenagh,he served in the British army,other IRISHMEN left bombs to kill innocent people in this country!! Get off of your high horse,nobody has called all the Irish 'bombers' you fool. scooter boy
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10:48am Sun 28 Oct 12

Sixtyeight42 says...

Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man.

I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it!

The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people.

The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well.
Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man. I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it! The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people. The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well. Sixtyeight42
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10:51am Sun 28 Oct 12

scooter boy says...

TerryDee wrote:
R.I.P. stands for Racists In Pieces. The EDL fascists failed today - whilst anti-EDL peaceful protesters marched in celebration. Very special thanks to Rev Saxby for his role in ensuring a peaceful but proudly determined community response.
What race are Muslims?
We obeyed the law and stayed away,seems you like to pick and choose what laws you are willing to obey.

I think that you need to research what a fascist is mate as you clearly are one.
[quote][p][bold]TerryDee[/bold] wrote: R.I.P. stands for Racists In Pieces. The EDL fascists failed today - whilst anti-EDL peaceful protesters marched in celebration. Very special thanks to Rev Saxby for his role in ensuring a peaceful but proudly determined community response.[/p][/quote]What race are Muslims? We obeyed the law and stayed away,seems you like to pick and choose what laws you are willing to obey. I think that you need to research what a fascist is mate as you clearly are one. scooter boy
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11:07am Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from. Cornbeefur
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11:18am Sun 28 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above. Alan_1976
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11:55am Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads. Cornbeefur
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11:56am Sun 28 Oct 12

chubby1970 says...

SpursSupporter1 wrote:
chubby1970 wrote:
nomz01 wrote:
EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT
The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????
Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority
I stand corrected i apologise if you thought i was calling every Irish person a bomber because it was not meant that way. Its a bit like saying every man with an England badge and short hair is a racist or trouble maker and deserves to be frogmarched out of town.
[quote][p][bold]SpursSupporter1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chubby1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomz01[/bold] wrote: EDL is racist because the name is English defence league if it wasn’t racist it would be called United Kingdom Defence league because we who live in this great multicultural Kingdom know that we are UNITED KINGDOM and we are all colours, cultures, religions and sexes. FACT[/p][/quote]The Irish spent 70 years bombing us, the Scots want independence and the Welsh are not even part of the United Kingdom. Is that what you call a United Kingdom ????[/p][/quote]Could you rephrase "The Irish Spent 70 Years Bombing Us" Im from Ireland and have lived in London for 24 years and have never "Bombed" anybody how dare you generalise a whole nation of people on the actions of a tiny minority[/p][/quote]I stand corrected i apologise if you thought i was calling every Irish person a bomber because it was not meant that way. Its a bit like saying every man with an England badge and short hair is a racist or trouble maker and deserves to be frogmarched out of town. chubby1970
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12:12pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders. Alan_1976
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12:12pm Sun 28 Oct 12

roger_1 says...

Sixtyeight42 wrote:
Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man.

I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it!

The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people.

The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well.
Given the danger from islamic extremism is real, were you there last year to protest against MAC calling for shariah law when they marched from Leyton to Walthamstow?
[quote][p][bold]Sixtyeight42[/bold] wrote: Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man. I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it! The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people. The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well.[/p][/quote]Given the danger from islamic extremism is real, were you there last year to protest against MAC calling for shariah law when they marched from Leyton to Walthamstow? roger_1
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12:20pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better. Cornbeefur
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12:25pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.[/p][/quote]As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle. Alan_1976
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12:26pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.
In your opinion they are.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.[/p][/quote]As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.[/p][/quote]In your opinion they are. Cornbeefur
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12:32pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Nairn says...

If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening.

Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner."

I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was

"Yeah yeah Cornbeefur.....

Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested.

So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals!

Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!)....

Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew"

Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-)

See here:
http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/wf
news/10011601.WALTHA
MSTOW__Campaigners_c
elebrate__victory__o
ver_EDL/
If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening. Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner." I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was "Yeah yeah Cornbeefur..... Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested. So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals! Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!).... Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew" Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-) See here: http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10011601.WALTHA MSTOW__Campaigners_c elebrate__victory__o ver_EDL/ Nairn
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12:45pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.
In your opinion they are.
My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition.

As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion.

You sir are a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.[/p][/quote]As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.[/p][/quote]In your opinion they are.[/p][/quote]My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition. As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion. You sir are a bigot. Alan_1976
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Sun 28 Oct 12

scooter boy says...

Sixtyeight42 wrote:
Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man.

I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it!

The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people.

The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well.
You are 70,well bully for you you commie prat!
Old enough to remember the fight against Nazism,communism yet still infantile when it comes to the fascist ideology of Islam!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sixtyeight42[/bold] wrote: Well, I am a 70 year old grandad, and have lived in this Borough around 20 years. I hope that qualifies me to the title local family man. I was part of the protests against the EDL and am proud of it! The EDL may be on the run but the danger from Fascism is real. We must not make the mistake of turning our back and ignoring them. They have attacked Mosques as well as gay people. The Labour Party policy of pushing through cuts to our local services creates their support and it was wrong to allow supporters of that policy, like Stella Creasey onto the platform. The intervention of her, in collusion with the Tory MP from Chingford has banned marches by protesters against the cuts, not only in Waltham Forest but in Newham as well.[/p][/quote]You are 70,well bully for you you commie prat! Old enough to remember the fight against Nazism,communism yet still infantile when it comes to the fascist ideology of Islam!!! scooter boy
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Nairn wrote:
If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening.

Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner."

I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was

"Yeah yeah Cornbeefur.....

Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested.

So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals!

Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!)....

Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew"

Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-)

See here:
http://www.guardian-

series.co.uk/news/wf

news/10011601.WALTHA

MSTOW__Campaigners_c

elebrate__victory__o

ver_EDL/
He said this and he said that and sir he pushed me and he says this. Did you tell tales at school?

Why can you not just stick to the point?
[quote][p][bold]Nairn[/bold] wrote: If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening. Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner." I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was "Yeah yeah Cornbeefur..... Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested. So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals! Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!).... Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew" Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-) See here: http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10011601.WALTHA MSTOW__Campaigners_c elebrate__victory__o ver_EDL/[/p][/quote]He said this and he said that and sir he pushed me and he says this. Did you tell tales at school? Why can you not just stick to the point? Cornbeefur
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1:42pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.
In your opinion they are.
My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition.

As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion.

You sir are a bigot.
Name calling, anonymously, is a cheap shot.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.[/p][/quote]As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.[/p][/quote]In your opinion they are.[/p][/quote]My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition. As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion. You sir are a bigot.[/p][/quote]Name calling, anonymously, is a cheap shot. Cornbeefur
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Isaythat says...

To Scootorboy, no matter what views you hold, I doubt you impress anyone with your rude address to sixtyeight42.
To Scootorboy, no matter what views you hold, I doubt you impress anyone with your rude address to sixtyeight42. Isaythat
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2:05pm Sun 28 Oct 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies.

Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.
Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread.

Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.
I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years.

Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change.

Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults.

I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.
I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent.

Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion.

Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.
So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough.

However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.
As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.
In your opinion they are.
My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition.

As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion.

You sir are a bigot.
Name calling, anonymously, is a cheap shot.
Indeed. I trust you will change your ways and avoid doing it then.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Once again the Police have lost the control of the streets, unable to enforce a ban that they requested. Walthamstow has become a sewer, High Crime, dreadful Council Services, traffic Congestion, Dirty and rubbish strewn Streets, derelict buildings like the Granada, and a Political Tinderbox because of failed multi-cultural policies. Meanwhile, up in The Village, Cranberry Glass Spectacle wearers walk around with their heads in the clouds oozing elation of how wonderful they feel in the tiny stretch of sanctuary, pondering where to get their next overpriced Espresso and Jam and Bacon Sandwich from.[/p][/quote]Once again the tiresome Cornbeefur contributes nothing but the same tiresome drivel to a thread. Making sweeping statements about the behaviour of people on the basis of where they live is very bit as bigoted and offensive as any group discussed above.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the streets of Walthamstow and how they have deteriorated over the years. Some people will not accept this and whilst they continue to be in denial, nothing will change. Just because you do not agree with what I say there is no need for insults. I actually do not agree with an awful lot of what you add to various threads.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you disagree with what I say as I find your general tone and demeanour abhorrent. Your entire reference to The Village and the "Granada" is nothing more than the same tired baiting talk designed to offend and rile people. It serves no purpose in this discussion. Your comments are designed to offend and are tiresome in that they are the same old paragraph trotted out over and over again shoe-horned into any and every issue. Your views seem very balanced in that you appear to have a chip on both shoulders.[/p][/quote]So you do not agree with my opinion then, fair enough. However, like I say, continued denial will never lead to changes for the better.[/p][/quote]As soon as you manage to put together an "opinion" I can state whether I agree with it or not. Childish statements designed to offend are not opinions. They are goading statements and every bit as offensive as the rhetoric that comes from the extremists on both sides of the ongoing debacle.[/p][/quote]In your opinion they are.[/p][/quote]My "opinion" is based upon your statements whereby you classify a group of people on the basis of nothing more than their geographic location. That is bigotry by definition. As your "opinion" is that people can be characterised in such a way then that is a bigoted opinion. You sir are a bigot.[/p][/quote]Name calling, anonymously, is a cheap shot.[/p][/quote]Indeed. I trust you will change your ways and avoid doing it then. E17_er
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2:06pm Sun 28 Oct 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Nairn wrote:
If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening.

Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner."

I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was

"Yeah yeah Cornbeefur.....

Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested.

So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals!

Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!)....

Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew"

Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-)

See here:
http://www.guardian-


series.co.uk/news/wf


news/10011601.WALTHA


MSTOW__Campaigners_c


elebrate__victory__o


ver_EDL/
He said this and he said that and sir he pushed me and he says this. Did you tell tales at school?

Why can you not just stick to the point?
Is that the article where you start talking about Portuguese singing? Good point sticking to on your part.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nairn[/bold] wrote: If you look at a previous article about this weekend, you will see that Cornbeefur sat in a restaurant with 2 members of the EDL yesterday evening. Cornbeefur wrote: "I must say, I had a lovely meal in the Windmill Portuguese restaurant, High St, this evening, everybody got along, including a group of men and ladies who said they were here on behalf of the EDL but backed down and decided to go for some dinner." I made a comment back but seems Cornbeefur has chosen to ignore the fact that he was witness to a crime and didn't report it. My comment was "Yeah yeah Cornbeefur..... Either that or it's another case of the police not in control of our streets, Walthamstow going down the pan, out of control... I mean, fancy an upstanding citizen like you not calling the police to report the EDL people for committing a crime - which they were, of course, by breaking the s14 conditions the police put in place ie. that no EDL people could come here and if they did, they would be arrested. So, a crime being committed right under your nose...... indeed, speaking with the criminals! Honestly, this place is going downhill. The police have lost control of our streets (and restaurants it seems!). Crime is on the increase (two just this evening in the restaurant!).... Will be at the estate agents first thing on Monday - I'm outta here. Someone from Stoke Newington will probably buy my place.... phew" Can't imagine why Cornbeefur has not commented on my comment ;-) See here: http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10011601.WALTHA MSTOW__Campaigners_c elebrate__victory__o ver_EDL/[/p][/quote]He said this and he said that and sir he pushed me and he says this. Did you tell tales at school? Why can you not just stick to the point?[/p][/quote]Is that the article where you start talking about Portuguese singing? Good point sticking to on your part. E17_er
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3:16pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Isaythat says...

I am unequivocally against EDL and fascism, but retaliating in a similar manner does not make two wrongs, right! I want a country where we can live side by side, but before that happens we need to adhere to the same rules for everyone, not favouring foreign visitors above English, which is up to the government to enforce. They have promoted racism by favouratism.
I am unequivocally against EDL and fascism, but retaliating in a similar manner does not make two wrongs, right! I want a country where we can live side by side, but before that happens we need to adhere to the same rules for everyone, not favouring foreign visitors above English, which is up to the government to enforce. They have promoted racism by favouratism. Isaythat
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3:21pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Garrow says...

All these people managed to achieve, was to disrupt other peoples Saturday afternoon and to give the EDL equal publicity. I find it a bit ridiculous to describe the EDL as fascists, of course they are not, any more than my sons Sunday football team Manchester United. It seems that in groups like We Are Waltham Forest (WAWF) and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) have to toss emotive words like "fascist" about to justify their equally foolish actions. Here is a quote from an anti-EDL group from Brighton where a similar protest was staged "‘I don’t know why the police don’t just let us sort it out, they (the fascists) would never dare show their faces in Brighton again," This shows the true motivation for these people I think, they have no more regard for the rule of law and for the idea of democracy than the people they oppose. The reason we will never have true fascism in this country is that nobody would take them seriously, we have a long history of the acceptance and tolerance towards other creeds and cultures that come to our shores, I look around my workplace at the various races my workmates belong to and think about the fact that we all talk about our husbands, our homes, our children, our lives in exactly the same way, and I am sure that scenario is repeated over and over again every day all over this country. When we had the closest thing to proper fascists, the British Union of Fascists under Mosley (who spent most of his political life as a Labour politician) they were mostly ignored. That is the best way, in my view, of dealing with these idiots whichever side of the political fence they believe they are on.
I am also sceptical about this being a victory for the WAWF or the UAF. It seems the real victory belonged to the MPs who asked for the complete ban. The council could have had some of the credit but I was very annoyed to see the picture on the front of the Guardian on Thursday showing Labour councillors, yet again, politicising children, this is a reprehensible practice and has been condemned in these pages before, and yet they still think it's ok, just when I thought this appalling group of self-serving nonentities couldn't sink any lower!
All these people managed to achieve, was to disrupt other peoples Saturday afternoon and to give the EDL equal publicity. I find it a bit ridiculous to describe the EDL as fascists, of course they are not, any more than my sons Sunday football team Manchester United. It seems that in groups like We Are Waltham Forest (WAWF) and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) have to toss emotive words like "fascist" about to justify their equally foolish actions. Here is a quote from an anti-EDL group from Brighton where a similar protest was staged "‘I don’t know why the police don’t just let us sort it out, they (the fascists) would never dare show their faces in Brighton again," This shows the true motivation for these people I think, they have no more regard for the rule of law and for the idea of democracy than the people they oppose. The reason we will never have true fascism in this country is that nobody would take them seriously, we have a long history of the acceptance and tolerance towards other creeds and cultures that come to our shores, I look around my workplace at the various races my workmates belong to and think about the fact that we all talk about our husbands, our homes, our children, our lives in exactly the same way, and I am sure that scenario is repeated over and over again every day all over this country. When we had the closest thing to proper fascists, the British Union of Fascists under Mosley (who spent most of his political life as a Labour politician) they were mostly ignored. That is the best way, in my view, of dealing with these idiots whichever side of the political fence they believe they are on. I am also sceptical about this being a victory for the WAWF or the UAF. It seems the real victory belonged to the MPs who asked for the complete ban. The council could have had some of the credit but I was very annoyed to see the picture on the front of the Guardian on Thursday showing Labour councillors, yet again, politicising children, this is a reprehensible practice and has been condemned in these pages before, and yet they still think it's ok, just when I thought this appalling group of self-serving nonentities couldn't sink any lower! Garrow
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5:24pm Sun 28 Oct 12

mad-dog says...

Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values!
Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values! mad-dog
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

mad-dog wrote:
Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values!
Mad-dog, it was not a 'big mob'. There were, by the standards of these things in what is usually a fairly engaged local community, really very few people blocking the road here in Walthamstow on Saturday, probably only a couple of hundred. The EDM cinema or the Save our Stow campaigns can get far more supporters out than that.

Most of the people were outsiders, brought in as a rent-a-mob by the Socialist Workers' party, but a few, you are correct, were local Labour Party activists. I have no idea what they thought they were doing: the EDL were in Westminster. It was less of a legitimate political exercise than some kind of a re-enactment society meeting for lefties.

The relative absence of support for Saturday's antics is open to interpretation, but I suspect it reflects the fact that people generally have much better things to do with their time than waste it. I doubt if people round here fear being branded in the way you manner; people who live round here know there are very few real organised racists in our midst and are much cooler about these things than the PC brigade are on their behalf.
[quote][p][bold]mad-dog[/bold] wrote: Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values![/p][/quote]Mad-dog, it was not a 'big mob'. There were, by the standards of these things in what is usually a fairly engaged local community, really very few people blocking the road here in Walthamstow on Saturday, probably only a couple of hundred. The EDM cinema or the Save our Stow campaigns can get far more supporters out than that. Most of the people were outsiders, brought in as a rent-a-mob by the Socialist Workers' party, but a few, you are correct, were local Labour Party activists. I have no idea what they thought they were doing: the EDL were in Westminster. It was less of a legitimate political exercise than some kind of a re-enactment society meeting for lefties. The relative absence of support for Saturday's antics is open to interpretation, but I suspect it reflects the fact that people generally have much better things to do with their time than waste it. I doubt if people round here fear being branded in the way you manner; people who live round here know there are very few real organised racists in our midst and are much cooler about these things than the PC brigade are on their behalf. Techno3
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6:00pm Sun 28 Oct 12

E17_er says...

Techno3 wrote:
mad-dog wrote:
Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values!
Mad-dog, it was not a 'big mob'. There were, by the standards of these things in what is usually a fairly engaged local community, really very few people blocking the road here in Walthamstow on Saturday, probably only a couple of hundred. The EDM cinema or the Save our Stow campaigns can get far more supporters out than that.

Most of the people were outsiders, brought in as a rent-a-mob by the Socialist Workers' party, but a few, you are correct, were local Labour Party activists. I have no idea what they thought they were doing: the EDL were in Westminster. It was less of a legitimate political exercise than some kind of a re-enactment society meeting for lefties.

The relative absence of support for Saturday's antics is open to interpretation, but I suspect it reflects the fact that people generally have much better things to do with their time than waste it. I doubt if people round here fear being branded in the way you manner; people who live round here know there are very few real organised racists in our midst and are much cooler about these things than the PC brigade are on their behalf.
I think it was obvious to most people that there would be no EDL demonstration yesterday after the various bans. There was nothing to protest about. That's the real silent majority. As techno3 says I think we all had a lot better things to do.

It would be a complete non-sequitur to interpret that as silent support for the morons of the EDL. Nor indeed tacit support for the few hundred in the rent a mob.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad-dog[/bold] wrote: Big mob, chanting race hate and anti democratic feelings down Hoe Street quite threatening was in fact WAMF and UAF and various other minorites including Labour officials etc and becoming a major mob, that us the taxpayer fund. However, the real huge silent majority stays away knowing the truth fearing they are branded racists for defending simply traditional values![/p][/quote]Mad-dog, it was not a 'big mob'. There were, by the standards of these things in what is usually a fairly engaged local community, really very few people blocking the road here in Walthamstow on Saturday, probably only a couple of hundred. The EDM cinema or the Save our Stow campaigns can get far more supporters out than that. Most of the people were outsiders, brought in as a rent-a-mob by the Socialist Workers' party, but a few, you are correct, were local Labour Party activists. I have no idea what they thought they were doing: the EDL were in Westminster. It was less of a legitimate political exercise than some kind of a re-enactment society meeting for lefties. The relative absence of support for Saturday's antics is open to interpretation, but I suspect it reflects the fact that people generally have much better things to do with their time than waste it. I doubt if people round here fear being branded in the way you manner; people who live round here know there are very few real organised racists in our midst and are much cooler about these things than the PC brigade are on their behalf.[/p][/quote]I think it was obvious to most people that there would be no EDL demonstration yesterday after the various bans. There was nothing to protest about. That's the real silent majority. As techno3 says I think we all had a lot better things to do. It would be a complete non-sequitur to interpret that as silent support for the morons of the EDL. Nor indeed tacit support for the few hundred in the rent a mob. E17_er
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8:24am Mon 29 Oct 12

Sam Hain says...

Nancy Taaffe makes an interesting Freudian slip when she refers to her group as "anti-racists and fascists". What a difference a little hyphen makes - I take she meant "anti-racists and -fascists" but, hey, if the cap fits wear it Nancy!
Nancy Taaffe makes an interesting Freudian slip when she refers to her group as "anti-racists and fascists". What a difference a little hyphen makes - I take she meant "anti-racists and -fascists" but, hey, if the cap fits wear it Nancy! Sam Hain
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3:24pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Sixtyeight42 says...

Scooterboy made me smile at least. I am not sure if he was implying that I remember the 2nd WW which ended when I was 3!

Sam Hain's last comment is even more hilarious. Nancy is charged with a punctuation error...in an on-line forum!

These are serious discussions you silly boys. The EDL may not be important, like Hitler's bully-boys or Golden Dawn in Greece but they do attack people and make lives miserable.

The comments about Islam being fascist is about at their level. Of course there are some Islamic Terrorists, just as there are some Christian nutters but tarring all Muslims with the same brush is bigotry.

I was described as a "commie prat". For what its worth I am proud to be described as a Communist although Trotskyist is my preferred epithet. I am a member of the Socialist Party and very proud of its record fighting fascism for over 40 years both as "Militant" and Socialist Party.
Scooterboy made me smile at least. I am not sure if he was implying that I remember the 2nd WW which ended when I was 3! Sam Hain's last comment is even more hilarious. Nancy is charged with a punctuation error...in an on-line forum! These are serious discussions you silly boys. The EDL may not be important, like Hitler's bully-boys or Golden Dawn in Greece but they do attack people and make lives miserable. The comments about Islam being fascist is about at their level. Of course there are some Islamic Terrorists, just as there are some Christian nutters but tarring all Muslims with the same brush is bigotry. I was described as a "commie prat". For what its worth I am proud to be described as a Communist although Trotskyist is my preferred epithet. I am a member of the Socialist Party and very proud of its record fighting fascism for over 40 years both as "Militant" and Socialist Party. Sixtyeight42
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6:59pm Mon 29 Oct 12

fabster says...

There is little reason for a 'victory' rally when all you have achieved is an erosion of our freedoms of speech and local assembly.

I was brought up, amongst other places, in a couple of countries (Tehran and Singapore in the 70s) where free speech & assembly was (and still is) an everyday arrestable offence. And I would say think long and hard before you see fit to tamper with the freedoms enjoyed here in the UK.

Whilst what the EDL say are unpalatable, banning their march only serves to drive it underground, which can backfire in the long run. I would much rather it was out in the open so we know what we are dealing with.

I am both gay & a racial-minority, and this puts me firmly on the EDL's hit list. However to date, I have yet to see reason to perceive them as a real threat, given they have the combined intellectual prowess of a slipper.

Some UAF commentators have noted there was 'intelligence' that social unrest could result if the EDL were permitted to march, hence a concerted effort by Waltham Forest Council to push for a ban via WAWF. Well, intelligence reports last July also suggested that social unrest could result if Muslims Against Crusade were allowed to march last summer. But go ahead MAC did (as the Council did not see fit to orchestrate a similar initiative to ban them). Despite their silly call for Sharia Law in East London, the only consequence from that march was that MAC revealed themselves to be an embarrassment to the Muslim community and lacking in any form of credibility.

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/91
69593.WALTHAM_FOREST
__Muslim_extremist_m
arch_ends_without_in
cident/

It's just a shame the EDL were not allowed to march too. For sure, the only consequence would've been a repeat demonstration of their illiberal stupidity, bordering on incoherence.

My disappointment is at the Council: for its lack of consistency and its poor judgment on deciding that our local democracy can be trampled upon by something as preposterous as the EDL. It also underestimates that our communities are strong and we don’t all require shielding from playground bullies. Banning the EDL only sends the message we are lacking in our confidence to handle them.

Incidentally, despite requests from the police to stop using the slogan, the UAF & its allies, continue to inflame the situation with their self-appointed pompous calls to 'Smash the EDL’. When criticised with their stance, they conflate freedom of speech with freedom to offend. They blur the argument and forget that it is conversely fascistic to expect that freedom of speech should never offend. If anything, freedom of speech SHOULD offend. For that is precisely when freedom of speech counts.

I am rather proud of Walthamstow as it happens - most folk with common sense turned their backs this time, realising that the UAF and the EDL are like two peas in a pod: both are organisations which favour aggression, while thriving on mutual confrontation and insisting on wasting our police resources.

Meanwhile, at the time UAF protesters pushed through the police cordon and marched several hundred metres towards Selborne Road, Martin Smith (UAF’s National Officer) had tweeted: “The static rally is on the march! We have defeated the EDL and defended our right to march! VICTORY!”

Really?
‘United against Fascism’ perceives:
- defying the law
- a month’s suspension of our freedom of speech, and
- their ‘right’ over another group’s ‘right’
as a victory?

Please, decent people, think twice.
There is little reason for a 'victory' rally when all you have achieved is an erosion of our freedoms of speech and local assembly. I was brought up, amongst other places, in a couple of countries (Tehran and Singapore in the 70s) where free speech & assembly was (and still is) an everyday arrestable offence. And I would say think long and hard before you see fit to tamper with the freedoms enjoyed here in the UK. Whilst what the EDL say are unpalatable, banning their march only serves to drive it underground, which can backfire in the long run. I would much rather it was out in the open so we know what we are dealing with. I am both gay & a racial-minority, and this puts me firmly on the EDL's hit list. However to date, I have yet to see reason to perceive them as a real threat, given they have the combined intellectual prowess of a slipper. Some UAF commentators have noted there was 'intelligence' that social unrest could result if the EDL were permitted to march, hence a concerted effort by Waltham Forest Council to push for a ban via WAWF. Well, intelligence reports last July also suggested that social unrest could result if Muslims Against Crusade were allowed to march last summer. But go ahead MAC did (as the Council did not see fit to orchestrate a similar initiative to ban them). Despite their silly call for Sharia Law in East London, the only consequence from that march was that MAC revealed themselves to be an embarrassment to the Muslim community and lacking in any form of credibility. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/91 69593.WALTHAM_FOREST __Muslim_extremist_m arch_ends_without_in cident/ It's just a shame the EDL were not allowed to march too. For sure, the only consequence would've been a repeat demonstration of their illiberal stupidity, bordering on incoherence. My disappointment is at the Council: for its lack of consistency and its poor judgment on deciding that our local democracy can be trampled upon by something as preposterous as the EDL. It also underestimates that our communities are strong and we don’t all require shielding from playground bullies. Banning the EDL only sends the message we are lacking in our confidence to handle them. Incidentally, despite requests from the police to stop using the slogan, the UAF & its allies, continue to inflame the situation with their self-appointed pompous calls to 'Smash the EDL’. When criticised with their stance, they conflate freedom of speech with freedom to offend. They blur the argument and forget that it is conversely fascistic to expect that freedom of speech should never offend. If anything, freedom of speech SHOULD offend. For that is precisely when freedom of speech counts. I am rather proud of Walthamstow as it happens - most folk with common sense turned their backs this time, realising that the UAF and the EDL are like two peas in a pod: both are organisations which favour aggression, while thriving on mutual confrontation and insisting on wasting our police resources. Meanwhile, at the time UAF protesters pushed through the police cordon and marched several hundred metres towards Selborne Road, Martin Smith (UAF’s National Officer) had tweeted: “The static rally is on the march! We have defeated the EDL and defended our right to march! VICTORY!” Really? ‘United against Fascism’ perceives: - defying the law - a month’s suspension of our freedom of speech, and - their ‘right’ over another group’s ‘right’ as a victory? Please, decent people, think twice. fabster
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8:08pm Mon 29 Oct 12

merlin70 says...

When people talk of last year's march by the mac, I nearly ended up in their parade, while casuals united sat in the pub getting ****, usually what they do, casuals united are same as edl, I saw many many muslim youth arguing with the extremists etc, about the quran and it's meaning. meanwhile tommy robinson is in prison moaning about their being too many muslim extremists in there with him. Asm any posters have said "it's a funny old world".....
When people talk of last year's march by the mac, I nearly ended up in their parade, while casuals united sat in the pub getting ****, usually what they do, casuals united are same as edl, I saw many many muslim youth arguing with the extremists etc, about the quran and it's meaning. meanwhile tommy robinson is in prison moaning about their being too many muslim extremists in there with him. Asm any posters have said "it's a funny old world"..... merlin70
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10:45pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Thunderbird4 says...

Just looking through the mass of comments, suggests it's mainly, children, not adults, writing them. The police were the winners, with the overtime. Wouldn't it be funny if . . . no, course not, Nancy's too clever to fall for something like that.
Just looking through the mass of comments, suggests it's mainly, children, not adults, writing them. The police were the winners, with the overtime. Wouldn't it be funny if . . . no, course not, Nancy's too clever to fall for something like that. Thunderbird4
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8:55am Tue 30 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

fabster wrote:
There is little reason for a 'victory' rally when all you have achieved is an erosion of our freedoms of speech and local assembly.

I was brought up, amongst other places, in a couple of countries (Tehran and Singapore in the 70s) where free speech & assembly was (and still is) an everyday arrestable offence. And I would say think long and hard before you see fit to tamper with the freedoms enjoyed here in the UK.

Whilst what the EDL say are unpalatable, banning their march only serves to drive it underground, which can backfire in the long run. I would much rather it was out in the open so we know what we are dealing with.

I am both gay & a racial-minority, and this puts me firmly on the EDL's hit list. However to date, I have yet to see reason to perceive them as a real threat, given they have the combined intellectual prowess of a slipper.

Some UAF commentators have noted there was 'intelligence' that social unrest could result if the EDL were permitted to march, hence a concerted effort by Waltham Forest Council to push for a ban via WAWF. Well, intelligence reports last July also suggested that social unrest could result if Muslims Against Crusade were allowed to march last summer. But go ahead MAC did (as the Council did not see fit to orchestrate a similar initiative to ban them). Despite their silly call for Sharia Law in East London, the only consequence from that march was that MAC revealed themselves to be an embarrassment to the Muslim community and lacking in any form of credibility.

http://www.guardian-

series.co.uk/news/91

69593.WALTHAM_FOREST

__Muslim_extremist_m

arch_ends_without_in

cident/

It's just a shame the EDL were not allowed to march too. For sure, the only consequence would've been a repeat demonstration of their illiberal stupidity, bordering on incoherence.

My disappointment is at the Council: for its lack of consistency and its poor judgment on deciding that our local democracy can be trampled upon by something as preposterous as the EDL. It also underestimates that our communities are strong and we don’t all require shielding from playground bullies. Banning the EDL only sends the message we are lacking in our confidence to handle them.

Incidentally, despite requests from the police to stop using the slogan, the UAF & its allies, continue to inflame the situation with their self-appointed pompous calls to 'Smash the EDL’. When criticised with their stance, they conflate freedom of speech with freedom to offend. They blur the argument and forget that it is conversely fascistic to expect that freedom of speech should never offend. If anything, freedom of speech SHOULD offend. For that is precisely when freedom of speech counts.

I am rather proud of Walthamstow as it happens - most folk with common sense turned their backs this time, realising that the UAF and the EDL are like two peas in a pod: both are organisations which favour aggression, while thriving on mutual confrontation and insisting on wasting our police resources.

Meanwhile, at the time UAF protesters push
ed through the police cordon and marched several hundred metres towards Selborne Road, Martin Smith (UAF’s National Officer) had tweeted: “The static rally is on the march! We have defeated the EDL and defended our right to march! VICTORY!”

Really?
‘United against Fascism’ perceives:
- defying the law
- a month’s suspension of our freedom of speech, and
- their ‘right’ over another group’s ‘right’
as a victory?

Please, decent people, think twice.
Well said, Fabster.

You've summed the whole thing up - and from a perspective (having lived in places where defying the regime really would be an act of heroism) that shows how silly these cries of "Victory over the EDL" really are.
[quote][p][bold]fabster[/bold] wrote: There is little reason for a 'victory' rally when all you have achieved is an erosion of our freedoms of speech and local assembly. I was brought up, amongst other places, in a couple of countries (Tehran and Singapore in the 70s) where free speech & assembly was (and still is) an everyday arrestable offence. And I would say think long and hard before you see fit to tamper with the freedoms enjoyed here in the UK. Whilst what the EDL say are unpalatable, banning their march only serves to drive it underground, which can backfire in the long run. I would much rather it was out in the open so we know what we are dealing with. I am both gay & a racial-minority, and this puts me firmly on the EDL's hit list. However to date, I have yet to see reason to perceive them as a real threat, given they have the combined intellectual prowess of a slipper. Some UAF commentators have noted there was 'intelligence' that social unrest could result if the EDL were permitted to march, hence a concerted effort by Waltham Forest Council to push for a ban via WAWF. Well, intelligence reports last July also suggested that social unrest could result if Muslims Against Crusade were allowed to march last summer. But go ahead MAC did (as the Council did not see fit to orchestrate a similar initiative to ban them). Despite their silly call for Sharia Law in East London, the only consequence from that march was that MAC revealed themselves to be an embarrassment to the Muslim community and lacking in any form of credibility. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/91 69593.WALTHAM_FOREST __Muslim_extremist_m arch_ends_without_in cident/ It's just a shame the EDL were not allowed to march too. For sure, the only consequence would've been a repeat demonstration of their illiberal stupidity, bordering on incoherence. My disappointment is at the Council: for its lack of consistency and its poor judgment on deciding that our local democracy can be trampled upon by something as preposterous as the EDL. It also underestimates that our communities are strong and we don’t all require shielding from playground bullies. Banning the EDL only sends the message we are lacking in our confidence to handle them. Incidentally, despite requests from the police to stop using the slogan, the UAF & its allies, continue to inflame the situation with their self-appointed pompous calls to 'Smash the EDL’. When criticised with their stance, they conflate freedom of speech with freedom to offend. They blur the argument and forget that it is conversely fascistic to expect that freedom of speech should never offend. If anything, freedom of speech SHOULD offend. For that is precisely when freedom of speech counts. I am rather proud of Walthamstow as it happens - most folk with common sense turned their backs this time, realising that the UAF and the EDL are like two peas in a pod: both are organisations which favour aggression, while thriving on mutual confrontation and insisting on wasting our police resources. Meanwhile, at the time UAF protesters push ed through the police cordon and marched several hundred metres towards Selborne Road, Martin Smith (UAF’s National Officer) had tweeted: “The static rally is on the march! We have defeated the EDL and defended our right to march! VICTORY!” Really? ‘United against Fascism’ perceives: - defying the law - a month’s suspension of our freedom of speech, and - their ‘right’ over another group’s ‘right’ as a victory? Please, decent people, think twice.[/p][/quote]Well said, Fabster. You've summed the whole thing up - and from a perspective (having lived in places where defying the regime really would be an act of heroism) that shows how silly these cries of "Victory over the EDL" really are. Walthamster
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1:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Will someone please tell me when this nonsense is going to stop? It seems that, as with this article’s “discussion” strand, 80% of the material generated on this site is by, about or in response to the individual that hides behind the mask of “Cornbeefur”.

As with the other articles, this one isn’t actually about them and I’m frankly sick of the whole fiasco. I’m an avid believer in the right of free speech for everyone, but in this character’s case I’m willing to make an exception. Either the publishers need to ban this individual or The Guardian are going to soon discover the only person left visiting their site and reading any of their articles will be this self-obsessed individual
Will someone please tell me when this nonsense is going to stop? It seems that, as with this article’s “discussion” strand, 80% of the material generated on this site is by, about or in response to the individual that hides behind the mask of “Cornbeefur”. As with the other articles, this one isn’t actually about them and I’m frankly sick of the whole fiasco. I’m an avid believer in the right of free speech for everyone, but in this character’s case I’m willing to make an exception. Either the publishers need to ban this individual or The Guardian are going to soon discover the only person left visiting their site and reading any of their articles will be this self-obsessed individual KWyatt-Lown
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2:25pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Isaythat says...

KWyatt-Lown, I have not been using this sitefor long, but i have seen people come and go because of his rude and abusive comments.

Cornbeefur, as of today, if I consider your comments to be abusive or disrespectful, I shall report each one, starting with your replies to abbis.
KWyatt-Lown, I have not been using this sitefor long, but i have seen people come and go because of his rude and abusive comments. Cornbeefur, as of today, if I consider your comments to be abusive or disrespectful, I shall report each one, starting with your replies to abbis. Isaythat
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2:30pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Will someone please tell me when this nonsense is going to stop? It seems that, as with this article’s “discussion” strand, 80% of the material generated on this site is by, about or in response to the individual that hides behind the mask of “Cornbeefur”.

As with the other articles, this one isn’t actually about them and I’m frankly sick of the whole fiasco. I’m an avid believer in the right of free speech for everyone, but in this character’s case I’m willing to make an exception. Either the publishers need to ban this individual or The Guardian are going to soon discover the only person left visiting their site and reading any of their articles will be this self-obsessed individual
You can have your opinions just like I can have mine.

What mask?

You will find most people have a username.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Will someone please tell me when this nonsense is going to stop? It seems that, as with this article’s “discussion” strand, 80% of the material generated on this site is by, about or in response to the individual that hides behind the mask of “Cornbeefur”. As with the other articles, this one isn’t actually about them and I’m frankly sick of the whole fiasco. I’m an avid believer in the right of free speech for everyone, but in this character’s case I’m willing to make an exception. Either the publishers need to ban this individual or The Guardian are going to soon discover the only person left visiting their site and reading any of their articles will be this self-obsessed individual[/p][/quote]You can have your opinions just like I can have mine. What mask? You will find most people have a username. Cornbeefur
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2:33pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
KWyatt-Lown, I have not been using this sitefor long, but i have seen people come and go because of his rude and abusive comments.

Cornbeefur, as of today, if I consider your comments to be abusive or disrespectful, I shall report each one, starting with your replies to abbis.
What rude and abusive comments to Abyss?

I am sure that Abyss is grown up enough.

Some of your thoughts are a little bizarre at times, but you, like everyone else are entitled to their opinions on any subject raised.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: KWyatt-Lown, I have not been using this sitefor long, but i have seen people come and go because of his rude and abusive comments. Cornbeefur, as of today, if I consider your comments to be abusive or disrespectful, I shall report each one, starting with your replies to abbis.[/p][/quote]What rude and abusive comments to Abyss? I am sure that Abyss is grown up enough. Some of your thoughts are a little bizarre at times, but you, like everyone else are entitled to their opinions on any subject raised. Cornbeefur
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9:09am Wed 31 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

The 30 day ban could now be used to stop the 21 day window campaigners have to protest against the dog track going over to L&Q.
This is why I didn't support a ban.
And this is why Stella and Robbins, blocking with IDS were wrong. A cynical mind might say that it was a deliberate ploy by our council to avoid the pressure on them over their decision to end dog racing in the area.
The 30 day ban could now be used to stop the 21 day window campaigners have to protest against the dog track going over to L&Q. This is why I didn't support a ban. And this is why Stella and Robbins, blocking with IDS were wrong. A cynical mind might say that it was a deliberate ploy by our council to avoid the pressure on them over their decision to end dog racing in the area. Nancy Taaffe
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11:00am Fri 2 Nov 12

mdj says...

'A cynical mind might say that it was a deliberate ploy by our council to avoid the pressure on them over their decision to end dog racing in the area...'

Welcome to the cynic's club, Nancy.
But what a wonderful opportunity for the protesters to test the Council's nerve by holding a march to the Town Hall! After all, nobody was arrested for pushing the police aside from the 'Static Protest' and marching off.
Imagine the news coverage.
'A cynical mind might say that it was a deliberate ploy by our council to avoid the pressure on them over their decision to end dog racing in the area...' Welcome to the cynic's club, Nancy. But what a wonderful opportunity for the protesters to test the Council's nerve by holding a march to the Town Hall! After all, nobody was arrested for pushing the police aside from the 'Static Protest' and marching off. Imagine the news coverage. mdj
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