Chingford builder fined £500 for flouting planning law

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Brian Gage Brian Gage

A BUILDER has finally admitted flouting planning laws after a dispute with neighbours dating back to the 1980s.

Brian Gage, of Dale View Avenue, was described by a judge as a "thorough nuisance" as he fined him for ignoring an enforcement notice issued by Waltham Forest Council.

The saga began in the mid 1980s when the 56-year-old was accused by neighbours of building on his land without permission.

Dale View Residents' Association said it continued to push for action, but it wasn't until this year that Gage was prosecuted for illegally turning a set of garages into a dwelling for his daughter and ignoring an order in 2009 to convert them back.

Gage appealed to the Planning Inspectorate over the order but it was upheld as his evidence was deemed unreliable.

On Monday Maria Loye, prosecuting, said: "In January this year there was still no compliance with the enforcement notice and the council officer took the view it was still being lived in."

Fining Gage £500 and £1,000 costs, Judge Lewis said: "People who breach planning law are a thorough nuisance in many ways and make fools of people who comply with the law.

"It’s not impressive that you didn’t do so for 18 months either, and the notice suggests it’s still there. It seems to me quite right that you should pay all the prosecution costs."

Jonathan Wills, mitigating, admitted his client had a number of outstanding retrospective planning applications for other buildings on the site and said Mr Gage did not "stick two fingers up at the council".

Despite the successful prosecution, Gordon Wilkinson, a member of Dale View Residents Association, was not happy with the outcome.

He said the association has spent nearly £10,000 on legal fees on the issue.

"If he had been told to demolish the garages and building I would have been much happier," Mr Wilkinson added.

 

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9:11am Tue 13 Nov 12

Silent Majority 2009 says...

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9:12am Tue 13 Nov 12

Silent Majority 2009 says...

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9:13am Tue 13 Nov 12

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9:38am Tue 13 Nov 12

Robert19 says...

An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.
An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg. Robert19
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10:34am Tue 13 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

Robert19 wrote:
An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished.

Someone is making a lot of money renting them out.
[quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished. Someone is making a lot of money renting them out. Techno3
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10:59am Tue 13 Nov 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Mr Gage's flouting of the planning laws goes right back to the 1980s and is well documented int he pages of the Guardian. He has been a thorn in the side of local residents for more than 20 years with his various "ventures".
Mr Gage's flouting of the planning laws goes right back to the 1980s and is well documented int he pages of the Guardian. He has been a thorn in the side of local residents for more than 20 years with his various "ventures". Helen, Walthamstow
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11:17am Tue 13 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

A bit harsh when one considers what fines people receive for smoking illegal substances in public.
A bit harsh when one considers what fines people receive for smoking illegal substances in public. Cornbeefur
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3:58pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

I suggest you pop along to Dale View Avenue and ask the residents there if they think this is a harsh punishment.

Mr Gage has a record of flouting High Court rulings over many years, to the detriment of his neighbours..

This is a quote from a Guardian report on his activities in 2008 when Iain Duncan Smith was helping the residents: "He (Gage) disregarded numerous planning laws and three High Court judgements since the 1980s, building bungalows, a swimming pool, a garage, grazing horses, and has ran his airport bus company from land behind the crescent." To see the full report, insert CHINGFORD: “Neighbour from hell” strikes again, in the search box at the top of this page.

Yet again, he has got off lightly for the harm he has done to others.
I suggest you pop along to Dale View Avenue and ask the residents there if they think this is a harsh punishment. Mr Gage has a record of flouting High Court rulings over many years, to the detriment of his neighbours.. This is a quote from a Guardian report on his activities in 2008 when Iain Duncan Smith was helping the residents: "He (Gage) disregarded numerous planning laws and three High Court judgements since the 1980s, building bungalows, a swimming pool, a garage, grazing horses, and has ran his airport bus company from land behind the crescent." To see the full report, insert CHINGFORD: “Neighbour from hell” strikes again, in the search box at the top of this page. Yet again, he has got off lightly for the harm he has done to others. Helen, Walthamstow
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4:49pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
I suggest you pop along to Dale View Avenue and ask the residents there if they think this is a harsh punishment.

Mr Gage has a record of flouting High Court rulings over many years, to the detriment of his neighbours..

This is a quote from a Guardian report on his activities in 2008 when Iain Duncan Smith was helping the residents: "He (Gage) disregarded numerous planning laws and three High Court judgements since the 1980s, building bungalows, a swimming pool, a garage, grazing horses, and has ran his airport bus company from land behind the crescent." To see the full report, insert CHINGFORD: “Neighbour from hell” strikes again, in the search box at the top of this page.

Yet again, he has got off lightly for the harm he has done to others.
What 'harm' has he done to others, do you mean disruption or inconvenience?

He is not exactly robbing from a bank but creating habitable accommodation.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: I suggest you pop along to Dale View Avenue and ask the residents there if they think this is a harsh punishment. Mr Gage has a record of flouting High Court rulings over many years, to the detriment of his neighbours.. This is a quote from a Guardian report on his activities in 2008 when Iain Duncan Smith was helping the residents: "He (Gage) disregarded numerous planning laws and three High Court judgements since the 1980s, building bungalows, a swimming pool, a garage, grazing horses, and has ran his airport bus company from land behind the crescent." To see the full report, insert CHINGFORD: “Neighbour from hell” strikes again, in the search box at the top of this page. Yet again, he has got off lightly for the harm he has done to others.[/p][/quote]What 'harm' has he done to others, do you mean disruption or inconvenience? He is not exactly robbing from a bank but creating habitable accommodation. Cornbeefur
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7:10pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

I'm a good tempered person in the normal way, and patient with ignorance, but somehow you make me see red with your stupid ill-informed comments, cornbeefur.

If you got off your backside and bothered to do some research, you would find why this issue is about so much more than disruption, inconvenience and creating habitable accommodation.

For example, did you know - well, of course you didn't - that the piece of land occupied by Gage is not actually on Dale View Avenue. It's a large triangle BEHIND houses in Dale View Avenue and Dale View Crescent and is approached by a long but narrow roadway. Whether it's even legal for him to build anything there has been questioned repeatedly but since he ignores all authorities, he hardly ever gets dealt with..

Do you know - well of course you don't - that Gage, who used to own a coach company called Beeline, allowed some of his vehicles to stop there over night. Residents were woken up by them arriving late and night and leaving in the early morning, knocking down their fences etc.

Do you know - of course you don't - about the "stables" he built, with planning permission, that just turned out to be accommodation with a swimming pool.

Do you know - well course you don't - that residents have regularly complained through this newspaper about being bullied and harassed by Gage.

This is all on record.

So go and do your homework before you write off the struggle that Mr Wilkinson and his neighbours have endured for quarter of a century.
I'm a good tempered person in the normal way, and patient with ignorance, but somehow you make me see red with your stupid ill-informed comments, cornbeefur. If you got off your backside and bothered to do some research, you would find why this issue is about so much more than disruption, inconvenience and creating habitable accommodation. For example, did you know - well, of course you didn't - that the piece of land occupied by Gage is not actually on Dale View Avenue. It's a large triangle BEHIND houses in Dale View Avenue and Dale View Crescent and is approached by a long but narrow roadway. Whether it's even legal for him to build anything there has been questioned repeatedly but since he ignores all authorities, he hardly ever gets dealt with.. Do you know - well of course you don't - that Gage, who used to own a coach company called Beeline, allowed some of his vehicles to stop there over night. Residents were woken up by them arriving late and night and leaving in the early morning, knocking down their fences etc. Do you know - of course you don't - about the "stables" he built, with planning permission, that just turned out to be accommodation with a swimming pool. Do you know - well course you don't - that residents have regularly complained through this newspaper about being bullied and harassed by Gage. This is all on record. So go and do your homework before you write off the struggle that Mr Wilkinson and his neighbours have endured for quarter of a century. Helen, Walthamstow
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9:34pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
I'm a good tempered person in the normal way, and patient with ignorance, but somehow you make me see red with your stupid ill-informed comments, cornbeefur.

If you got off your backside and bothered to do some research, you would find why this issue is about so much more than disruption, inconvenience and creating habitable accommodation.

For example, did you know - well, of course you didn't - that the piece of land occupied by Gage is not actually on Dale View Avenue. It's a large triangle BEHIND houses in Dale View Avenue and Dale View Crescent and is approached by a long but narrow roadway. Whether it's even legal for him to build anything there has been questioned repeatedly but since he ignores all authorities, he hardly ever gets dealt with..

Do you know - well of course you don't - that Gage, who used to own a coach company called Beeline, allowed some of his vehicles to stop there over night. Residents were woken up by them arriving late and night and leaving in the early morning, knocking down their fences etc.

Do you know - of course you don't - about the "stables" he built, with planning permission, that just turned out to be accommodation with a swimming pool.

Do you know - well course you don't - that residents have regularly complained through this newspaper about being bullied and harassed by Gage.

This is all on record.

So go and do your homework before you write off the struggle that Mr Wilkinson and his neighbours have endured for quarter of a century.
Yes I did know actually, all the points in your Sermon, but lets face it, he is not a Bank Robber, he is a kindly person, he runs a business, he pays his taxes, maybe more that some others who foam at the mouth on these threads. he has raised a family, has supported his family.

Is he such a bad person compared to other lesser Mortals?

He is not growing cannabis, he is not dealing in illegal substances, he is not playing music until the early hours?

Let us give the man a break?

Do you not feel that the sentence reflects what the Learned Judge thinks about this mans standing in the Community?

These Judges are intelligent people.

They have seen through the Complainants waffle and sentenced him as a token 'offender'

In years gone by, this man would be a local hero.

He has a kindly face.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: I'm a good tempered person in the normal way, and patient with ignorance, but somehow you make me see red with your stupid ill-informed comments, cornbeefur. If you got off your backside and bothered to do some research, you would find why this issue is about so much more than disruption, inconvenience and creating habitable accommodation. For example, did you know - well, of course you didn't - that the piece of land occupied by Gage is not actually on Dale View Avenue. It's a large triangle BEHIND houses in Dale View Avenue and Dale View Crescent and is approached by a long but narrow roadway. Whether it's even legal for him to build anything there has been questioned repeatedly but since he ignores all authorities, he hardly ever gets dealt with.. Do you know - well of course you don't - that Gage, who used to own a coach company called Beeline, allowed some of his vehicles to stop there over night. Residents were woken up by them arriving late and night and leaving in the early morning, knocking down their fences etc. Do you know - of course you don't - about the "stables" he built, with planning permission, that just turned out to be accommodation with a swimming pool. Do you know - well course you don't - that residents have regularly complained through this newspaper about being bullied and harassed by Gage. This is all on record. So go and do your homework before you write off the struggle that Mr Wilkinson and his neighbours have endured for quarter of a century.[/p][/quote]Yes I did know actually, all the points in your Sermon, but lets face it, he is not a Bank Robber, he is a kindly person, he runs a business, he pays his taxes, maybe more that some others who foam at the mouth on these threads. he has raised a family, has supported his family. Is he such a bad person compared to other lesser Mortals? He is not growing cannabis, he is not dealing in illegal substances, he is not playing music until the early hours? Let us give the man a break? Do you not feel that the sentence reflects what the Learned Judge thinks about this mans standing in the Community? These Judges are intelligent people. They have seen through the Complainants waffle and sentenced him as a token 'offender' In years gone by, this man would be a local hero. He has a kindly face. Cornbeefur
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9:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Oh grow up, you silly little troll.
Oh grow up, you silly little troll. Helen, Walthamstow
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9:40pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Villagelife says...

Cornbeefur is a retarded troll. don't feed him....ignore the fool.
Cornbeefur is a retarded troll. don't feed him....ignore the fool. Villagelife
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9:49pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Oh grow up, you silly little troll.
What has he done wrong?

If it was a minor planning breach, the Judge would have fined him more, otherwise. The Judge is sending out a message 'Do not waste my time with this trivia'. You know what, the only person who realises this would appear to be my good self and Mr Gage. No doubt he will further develop his property.

The sentence reflects what the Judge thought about the Nimby's

It is easy to ridicule but justify your arguments.

It is rare to be locked up for a minor planning breach, however much a Nimby would like the culprit, hung drawn and quartered.

Cheap shot 'troll' jibes are one thing but put up an argument at least?

You may want to live in a Utopian World of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles but alas there are others like Mr Gage who will always be there to remind you, that you are on Earth not the planet Zob.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Oh grow up, you silly little troll.[/p][/quote]What has he done wrong? If it was a minor planning breach, the Judge would have fined him more, otherwise. The Judge is sending out a message 'Do not waste my time with this trivia'. You know what, the only person who realises this would appear to be my good self and Mr Gage. No doubt he will further develop his property. The sentence reflects what the Judge thought about the Nimby's It is easy to ridicule but justify your arguments. It is rare to be locked up for a minor planning breach, however much a Nimby would like the culprit, hung drawn and quartered. Cheap shot 'troll' jibes are one thing but put up an argument at least? You may want to live in a Utopian World of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles but alas there are others like Mr Gage who will always be there to remind you, that you are on Earth not the planet Zob. Cornbeefur
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9:21am Wed 14 Nov 12

Robert19 says...

Techno3 wrote:
Robert19 wrote:
An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished.

Someone is making a lot of money renting them out.
Yes I was aware of these extensions in James Street. No doubt Cllr Ali is on the case!!. It does need a concerted campaign to ensure that these encroachments are taken down as soon as possible and people fined accordingly. I believe that neighbouring Newham has a team of officers who pro-actively prosecute owners and close down such developments.
On the other hand the Government doesn't help by withdrawing planning laws for such developments ostensibly to stimulate growth. Good idea Mr Cameron - playing into the hands of people like Mr Gage.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished. Someone is making a lot of money renting them out.[/p][/quote]Yes I was aware of these extensions in James Street. No doubt Cllr Ali is on the case!!. It does need a concerted campaign to ensure that these encroachments are taken down as soon as possible and people fined accordingly. I believe that neighbouring Newham has a team of officers who pro-actively prosecute owners and close down such developments. On the other hand the Government doesn't help by withdrawing planning laws for such developments ostensibly to stimulate growth. Good idea Mr Cameron - playing into the hands of people like Mr Gage. Robert19
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9:48am Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Robert19 wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Robert19 wrote:
An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished.

Someone is making a lot of money renting them out.
Yes I was aware of these extensions in James Street. No doubt Cllr Ali is on the case!!. It does need a concerted campaign to ensure that these encroachments are taken down as soon as possible and people fined accordingly. I believe that neighbouring Newham has a team of officers who pro-actively prosecute owners and close down such developments.
On the other hand the Government doesn't help by withdrawing planning laws for such developments ostensibly to stimulate growth. Good idea Mr Cameron - playing into the hands of people like Mr Gage.
Like I have said, the fine reflects the so called 'offence'. Trivial.

In the case of the flats referred to, these were done over four years ago and liable to be permitted now under Certificate of Lawfulness Policy.
[quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: An amazingly small fine. Really gives a message out to other people flaunting planning laws. Simply add £1,500 to your costings as contingency and carry on. The number of illegal construction and conversions of out buildings into living accommodation is extremely worrying. Mr Gage is just the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]Yes. There are many people in the St James's Street area still waiting to find out why the illegally constructed flats at the back of the parade beteen Councillor Liaquat Ali's Star Mortage and property business and St James's Street station have not yet been demolished. Someone is making a lot of money renting them out.[/p][/quote]Yes I was aware of these extensions in James Street. No doubt Cllr Ali is on the case!!. It does need a concerted campaign to ensure that these encroachments are taken down as soon as possible and people fined accordingly. I believe that neighbouring Newham has a team of officers who pro-actively prosecute owners and close down such developments. On the other hand the Government doesn't help by withdrawing planning laws for such developments ostensibly to stimulate growth. Good idea Mr Cameron - playing into the hands of people like Mr Gage.[/p][/quote]Like I have said, the fine reflects the so called 'offence'. Trivial. In the case of the flats referred to, these were done over four years ago and liable to be permitted now under Certificate of Lawfulness Policy. Cornbeefur
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10:30am Wed 14 Nov 12

Wizza_b says...

@Cornbeefur

Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle.

He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process.
Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be?
@Cornbeefur Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle. He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process. Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be? Wizza_b
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11:24am Wed 14 Nov 12

ruby newbie says...

cornbeefer,somtimes i/we do wish you would go take a long walk off a short pier....
cornbeefer,somtimes i/we do wish you would go take a long walk off a short pier.... ruby newbie
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12:27pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Wizza_b wrote:
@Cornbeefur

Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle.

He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process.
Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be?
So he broke a few planning rules.

He is not , as far as I am aware a Serious Criminal and I believe that the Judge realises that this trivial 'crime' warrants a toke fine.

Had the Judge thought otherwise, surely he would have dealt with him in a more serious manner.

The facts fit the punishment.
[quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: @Cornbeefur Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle. He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process. Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be?[/p][/quote]So he broke a few planning rules. He is not , as far as I am aware a Serious Criminal and I believe that the Judge realises that this trivial 'crime' warrants a toke fine. Had the Judge thought otherwise, surely he would have dealt with him in a more serious manner. The facts fit the punishment. Cornbeefur
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12:29pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Wizza_b wrote:
@Cornbeefur

Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle.

He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process.
Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be?
So he broke a few planning rules.

He is not , as far as I am aware a Serious Criminal and I believe that the Judge realises that this trivial 'crime' warrants a toke fine.

Had the Judge thought otherwise, surely he would have dealt with him in a more serious manner.

The facts fit the punishment.
My object all sublime
I shall achieve in time —
To let the punishment fit the crime —
The punishment fit the crime;
And make each prisoner pent
Unwillingly represent
A source of innocent merriment!
Of innocent merriment!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: @Cornbeefur Why are you comparing this man to drug dealers or takers? pointless drivvle. He is breaking the law and making peoples lives miserable in the process. Do you think that this is a resonable way for one to conduct their lives? by making others lives harder that it ordinarily should be?[/p][/quote]So he broke a few planning rules. He is not , as far as I am aware a Serious Criminal and I believe that the Judge realises that this trivial 'crime' warrants a toke fine. Had the Judge thought otherwise, surely he would have dealt with him in a more serious manner. The facts fit the punishment.[/p][/quote]My object all sublime I shall achieve in time — To let the punishment fit the crime — The punishment fit the crime; And make each prisoner pent Unwillingly represent A source of innocent merriment! Of innocent merriment! Cornbeefur
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1:52pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Wizza_b says...

I wasn`t saying he was a serious criminal, you was comparing him to one.
I just think that poeple should abide by the law. end of.
I wasn`t saying he was a serious criminal, you was comparing him to one. I just think that poeple should abide by the law. end of. Wizza_b
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3:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Wizza_b wrote:
I wasn`t saying he was a serious criminal, you was comparing him to one.
I just think that poeple should abide by the law. end of.
Hardly, I was saying that in the whole scheme of things he is not a serious crook, rather have him next door than a drug dealer or burglar.
[quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: I wasn`t saying he was a serious criminal, you was comparing him to one. I just think that poeple should abide by the law. end of.[/p][/quote]Hardly, I was saying that in the whole scheme of things he is not a serious crook, rather have him next door than a drug dealer or burglar. Cornbeefur
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8:15pm Wed 14 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

As anyone who may have read the exchanges after the article ; http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/your_lo
cal_areas/10022892.N
ew_Tesco__making_ind
ependent_traders_los
e_out_/ will be aware, I have been seeking a simple response from Cornbeefur to two very straightforward questions. Why he elects to hide behind his self-confessed “user name” and what, indeed, his real name is.

Having been challenged by him on these same issues I was happy to provide an open and honest response. He has now spent the last seven days evading the questions himself, occasionally providing somewhat insulting and, indeed, frankly juvenile postings (I think we all might agree that “my dad’s bigger than your dad” hardly raises the bar on reasoned debate) that do little to enhance any reputation he might possibly seek to establish or maintain as a worthwhile contributor to grown-up and rational discussion within these pages.

So, Cornbeefur, I ask you once again: please have the good grace to return my courtesy and answer my unambiguous questions. Thank you.
As anyone who may have read the exchanges after the article ; http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/your_lo cal_areas/10022892.N ew_Tesco__making_ind ependent_traders_los e_out_/ will be aware, I have been seeking a simple response from Cornbeefur to two very straightforward questions. Why he elects to hide behind his self-confessed “user name” and what, indeed, his real name is. Having been challenged by him on these same issues I was happy to provide an open and honest response. He has now spent the last seven days evading the questions himself, occasionally providing somewhat insulting and, indeed, frankly juvenile postings (I think we all might agree that “my dad’s bigger than your dad” hardly raises the bar on reasoned debate) that do little to enhance any reputation he might possibly seek to establish or maintain as a worthwhile contributor to grown-up and rational discussion within these pages. So, Cornbeefur, I ask you once again: please have the good grace to return my courtesy and answer my unambiguous questions. Thank you. KWyatt-Lown
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8:50pm Wed 14 Nov 12

vicky1249 says...

helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law .
are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights)
i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL ,
LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE
helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law . are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights) i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL , LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE vicky1249
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3:11pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

vicky1249 wrote:
helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law .
are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights)
i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL ,
LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE
Perhaps he should direct some of those charitable contributions to literacy classes?
[quote][p][bold]vicky1249[/bold] wrote: helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law . are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights) i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL , LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE[/p][/quote]Perhaps he should direct some of those charitable contributions to literacy classes? E17_er
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3:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Alan_1976 says...

vicky1249 wrote:
helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law .
are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights)
i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL ,
LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE
I presume that the judge who laid down the fine for breaching planning law was quite familiar with the law...

As to the "charitable" that he carries out that hardly marks someone out as being beyond breaking the law. I hear a certain Mr J. Saville did quite a bit for charity too.
[quote][p][bold]vicky1249[/bold] wrote: helen who lives on planet zorb are you aware of the charitable mr gage carrys out E IS A AMAZING PERSON .you apear to know the history but do you know the law . are you also aware that planning permision requested by mr gage took over 18 months because they conveniatly lost the fees and buried aplicaition and assigned applicaition to another development helen on planet ZORB are you aware that planning officers distorted the truth further more no structures have been built illegaly they are all within the general development order (permited development rights) i would also enquire as to how mr gordan wilkinson acquire support from somone in walthamstow as there are no residence who can view or abutt the land or are predudicially affected by mr gages actions only those who are WELL GEL , LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE[/p][/quote]I presume that the judge who laid down the fine for breaching planning law was quite familiar with the law... As to the "charitable" that he carries out that hardly marks someone out as being beyond breaking the law. I hear a certain Mr J. Saville did quite a bit for charity too. Alan_1976
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9:45pm Sun 18 Nov 12

SXH says...

Only £500? i cannot see how this man or his family benefiting from all his profits in busines or accommodations has ever even paid (busines tax or council tax), if planning has never been applied or approved then it is not legally on the boroughs system. why has it been allowed to continue. answers are needed here.
Only £500? i cannot see how this man or his family benefiting from all his profits in busines or accommodations has ever even paid (busines tax or council tax), if planning has never been applied or approved then it is not legally on the boroughs system. why has it been allowed to continue. answers are needed here. SXH
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10:18pm Sun 18 Nov 12

vicky1249 says...

Council tax does get paid
And in regards to trying to say somebody is a pedo is pretty **** up u really need to get a life I am his daughter and I think ure getting abit to involved in something you nothing about you people are all completely nuts stop worrying about other people's life's and crack on with your own its getting so boring now seriously get off computer and find a hobby get some friends whatever it is you need to do to find happiness my father is a amazing person who puts everyone first and if you pop round to residence and the residence who actually live near my dad and just ask their thoughts they will say nothing but positives about my dad And if u go all the way round the block to we're the 75 plus live you will get the likes of gordan who live nowhere near us ull probly find him walking his dog and getting people's cars towed away from outside ther houses for parking on dropped curbs and yes he will have something to say and his friend from walthamstow Helen as they have nothing going on in there life clearly .it is just so pathetic and just feel sad for people that have so much hate for no reason so what he built a house inland he bought so what he built a garage witch affects absolutely nobody what so ever looossseeerrrss do not reply to my letter have no interest I actually have a life and don't enjoy spending my time righting comments if you wish to speak to my dad I'm sure he will happily speak and fill you in02085241249 he's a very nice Man so don't hesitate if your that interested call him rather then ask questions to random freaks who have nothing else going on and I nothing other the balls hit they read in the guardian ps I know my spelling grammar is bad but again not your concern and I don't care :) hope y'all had a good weekend
Council tax does get paid And in regards to trying to say somebody is a pedo is pretty **** up u really need to get a life I am his daughter and I think ure getting abit to involved in something you nothing about you people are all completely nuts stop worrying about other people's life's and crack on with your own its getting so boring now seriously get off computer and find a hobby get some friends whatever it is you need to do to find happiness my father is a amazing person who puts everyone first and if you pop round to residence and the residence who actually live near my dad and just ask their thoughts they will say nothing but positives about my dad And if u go all the way round the block to we're the 75 plus live you will get the likes of gordan who live nowhere near us ull probly find him walking his dog and getting people's cars towed away from outside ther houses for parking on dropped curbs and yes he will have something to say and his friend from walthamstow Helen as they have nothing going on in there life clearly .it is just so pathetic and just feel sad for people that have so much hate for no reason so what he built a house inland he bought so what he built a garage witch affects absolutely nobody what so ever looossseeerrrss do not reply to my letter have no interest I actually have a life and don't enjoy spending my time righting comments if you wish to speak to my dad I'm sure he will happily speak and fill you in02085241249 he's a very nice Man so don't hesitate if your that interested call him rather then ask questions to random freaks who have nothing else going on and I nothing other the balls hit they read in the guardian ps I know my spelling grammar is bad but again not your concern and I don't care :) hope y'all had a good weekend vicky1249
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8:25am Mon 19 Nov 12

Wizza_b says...

Not one full stop there, you must be brilliant at swimming under water !
Not one full stop there, you must be brilliant at swimming under water ! Wizza_b
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7:23pm Mon 19 Nov 12

stickmanny says...

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