Volunteers sought to help maintain William Morris Garden in Lloyd Park, Walthamstow

The William Morris Garden

The William Morris Garden

First published in Waltham Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

GREEN-fingered gardening enthusiasts are invited to help keep a new park garden in trim condition.

Anyone who wants to help maintain the new William Morris Garden in Lloyd Park, off Forest Road, Walthamstow, can don a pair of gloves alongside the head gardener every first Thursday of the month.

Tools and gloves are provided, and people can meet at the garden, named after E17's most famous artist and designer, near the Forest Road entrance to volunteer from 10am to 1pm.

The garden is a new addition to the park after it reopened in September following a £5 million facelift.

It also boasts a new cafe, community room, toilets and art gallery in the Aveling Centre.

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10:05am Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past. Cornbeefur
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10:18am Thu 15 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

The local public pay a considerable amount of money in taxes to the council to look after this property. I am surprised that they are planning to use volunteers to maintain this public asset. If the councillors are short of a few bob to pay the necessary salaries, may I suggest they stop taking their generous allowances and work as our representatives for free as well. They seem to expect everyone else to.
The local public pay a considerable amount of money in taxes to the council to look after this property. I am surprised that they are planning to use volunteers to maintain this public asset. If the councillors are short of a few bob to pay the necessary salaries, may I suggest they stop taking their generous allowances and work as our representatives for free as well. They seem to expect everyone else to. Techno3
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11:10am Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Article clearly states "alongside Head Gardener"

If people want to have the opportunity to garden where perhaps they do not have access to one of their own then I think this is a good thing. Not exactly the same as expecting people to work for free...
Article clearly states "alongside Head Gardener" If people want to have the opportunity to garden where perhaps they do not have access to one of their own then I think this is a good thing. Not exactly the same as expecting people to work for free... E17_er
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11:34am Thu 15 Nov 12

Robert19 says...

It would have been a condition of the HLF grant that local people are trained up as volunteers to undertake a variety of tasks including I would imagine gardening and other equivalent tasks. Nothing wrong with that - indeed giving people opportunities to keep fit, be more employable or simply to use their leisure time to good use. Volunteers would not be let loose without supervision and support especially in a park area with a clear maintenance and planting plan as well as public access..
It would have been a condition of the HLF grant that local people are trained up as volunteers to undertake a variety of tasks including I would imagine gardening and other equivalent tasks. Nothing wrong with that - indeed giving people opportunities to keep fit, be more employable or simply to use their leisure time to good use. Volunteers would not be let loose without supervision and support especially in a park area with a clear maintenance and planting plan as well as public access.. Robert19
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11:59am Thu 15 Nov 12

Walthamster says...

Two issues here.

1. It's an excellent idea for volunteers to get involved in their area, and learn gardening skills in a pleasant environment.

2. Many people warned the council that a high-maintenance garden they planned would be difficult to maintain. Many people loved the old, low-maintenance, tree-filled landscape of Lloyd Park as it used to be and considered it just needed a bit of TLC.

What if the council doesn't get a steady supply of year-round reliable volunteers?
Two issues here. 1. It's an excellent idea for volunteers to get involved in their area, and learn gardening skills in a pleasant environment. 2. Many people warned the council that a high-maintenance garden they planned would be difficult to maintain. Many people loved the old, low-maintenance, tree-filled landscape of Lloyd Park as it used to be and considered it just needed a bit of TLC. What if the council doesn't get a steady supply of year-round reliable volunteers? Walthamster
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12:10pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Silent Majority 2009 says...

As Robert19 states it was a requirement put upon the council to increase the use of volunteers to maintain the more demanding areas of the park. In addition the council has had to allocate more money to the park's maintenance budget as well as employing a Head Gardener, a Kier employee, to coordinate the maintenance work in the park. The Conservation Trust is using volunteers on its Green Gym programme to improve the biodiversity of the park. With a combination of paid staff and volunteers the park should be an area the whole community will be proud of and it will offer opportunities to learn new skils which may help the volunteers to get paid employment if they need it.
As Robert19 states it was a requirement put upon the council to increase the use of volunteers to maintain the more demanding areas of the park. In addition the council has had to allocate more money to the park's maintenance budget as well as employing a Head Gardener, a Kier employee, to coordinate the maintenance work in the park. The Conservation Trust is using volunteers on its Green Gym programme to improve the biodiversity of the park. With a combination of paid staff and volunteers the park should be an area the whole community will be proud of and it will offer opportunities to learn new skils which may help the volunteers to get paid employment if they need it. Silent Majority 2009
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5:50pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Volunteers are practically answerable to nobody as they are what they are volunteers.

Contingency was in place to allow for non-appearance of a percentage of volunteers.

There must be a more solid foundation for park maintenance surely?
Volunteers are practically answerable to nobody as they are what they are volunteers. Contingency was in place to allow for non-appearance of a percentage of volunteers. There must be a more solid foundation for park maintenance surely? Cornbeefur
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5:56pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Volunteers are practically answerable to nobody as they are what they are volunteers.

Contingency was in place to allow for non-appearance of a percentage of volunteers.

There must be a more solid foundation for park maintenance surely?
If you're going to ignore all the information provided for you by the other commenters then you will continue to exist in your permanent state of bafflement
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Volunteers are practically answerable to nobody as they are what they are volunteers. Contingency was in place to allow for non-appearance of a percentage of volunteers. There must be a more solid foundation for park maintenance surely?[/p][/quote]If you're going to ignore all the information provided for you by the other commenters then you will continue to exist in your permanent state of bafflement E17_er
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10:01pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Spoons1972 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic. Spoons1972
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10:06pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
It is a bit of a trek from Marylebone where he lives. He barely seems to have any understanding of the area
[quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.[/p][/quote]It is a bit of a trek from Marylebone where he lives. He barely seems to have any understanding of the area E17_er
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10:21pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not.

He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on.

Are these volunteers insured?

What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over?

Are their any contingencies at all?
[quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.[/p][/quote]But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not. He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on. Are these volunteers insured? What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over? Are their any contingencies at all? Cornbeefur
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10:24pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Spoons1972 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not.

He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on.

Are these volunteers insured?

What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over?

Are their any contingencies at all?
Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke?

I'd like to be there to hear his reply!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.[/p][/quote]But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not. He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on. Are these volunteers insured? What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over? Are their any contingencies at all?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke? I'd like to be there to hear his reply! Spoons1972
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10:42pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not.

He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on.

Are these volunteers insured?

What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over?

Are their any contingencies at all?
Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke?

I'd like to be there to hear his reply!
This is no time for levity.

Millions of Tax payers money have been spent on those grounds and if it goes to pot everyone loses including Luke who no doubt is putting his back into it.
[quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.[/p][/quote]But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not. He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on. Are these volunteers insured? What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over? Are their any contingencies at all?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke? I'd like to be there to hear his reply![/p][/quote]This is no time for levity. Millions of Tax payers money have been spent on those grounds and if it goes to pot everyone loses including Luke who no doubt is putting his back into it. Cornbeefur
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10:49pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Spoons1972 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder?

Is a paid groundsman employed?

I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.
If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.
But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not.

He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on.

Are these volunteers insured?

What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over?

Are their any contingencies at all?
Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke?

I'd like to be there to hear his reply!
This is no time for levity.

Millions of Tax payers money have been spent on those grounds and if it goes to pot everyone loses including Luke who no doubt is putting his back into it.
If they wanted to make sure there was no chance of levity or humour of any kind they could just keep you around. You haven't been funny for a very long time.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spoons1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: In the absence of enough volunteers what are the contingencies I wonder? Is a paid groundsman employed? I hope these gardens are not going to be left to deteriorate, and left to the vandals and used by drug dealers and undesirables as has occurred in the past.[/p][/quote]If you had been anywhere near the park at all lately you would know that there is a full time head gardener in place - his name is Luke and he's very enthusiastic.[/p][/quote]But Luke needs to know when and whether his Volunteers are going to turn up and to plan his schedule if they do not. He needs to know their strengths and weaknesses and to be able to deal with attacks by green fly, correct and appropriate usage of peat, phosphate, weed killer, rodent control, aphid linger and so on. Are these volunteers insured? What happens if the injure themselves or put their back out bending over? Are their any contingencies at all?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should pop in the park and ask Luke? I'd like to be there to hear his reply![/p][/quote]This is no time for levity. Millions of Tax payers money have been spent on those grounds and if it goes to pot everyone loses including Luke who no doubt is putting his back into it.[/p][/quote]If they wanted to make sure there was no chance of levity or humour of any kind they could just keep you around. You haven't been funny for a very long time. E17_er
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7:13pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Miss Magoo says...

I daresay Luke will teach his team of volunteers how to correctly dig and lift heavy items correctly to prevent back or any other injury and in cases where there are few salaried staff and the others made of volunteers (charity shops being an example) then of course a rota system will exist along with a 'what to do when and by whom' list. The company that employs Luke has insurance and this would cover the volunteers. I don't have a law degree but even I know that much.
I daresay Luke will teach his team of volunteers how to correctly dig and lift heavy items correctly to prevent back or any other injury and in cases where there are few salaried staff and the others made of volunteers (charity shops being an example) then of course a rota system will exist along with a 'what to do when and by whom' list. The company that employs Luke has insurance and this would cover the volunteers. I don't have a law degree but even I know that much. Miss Magoo
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8:44am Thu 22 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

I can hardly believe how many obstacles can be thought of!. This is exactly the kind of initiative needed to bring back a community spirit. It is true, it does save money for the borough by using volunteers, but isn't that a good thing? I hope this idea is successful and where necessary used in other parks.
I can hardly believe how many obstacles can be thought of!. This is exactly the kind of initiative needed to bring back a community spirit. It is true, it does save money for the borough by using volunteers, but isn't that a good thing? I hope this idea is successful and where necessary used in other parks. Isaythat
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8:50am Thu 22 Nov 12

Miss Magoo says...

I know Isaythat - it's so bloomin' frustrating that instead of applauding such a lovely thing for a community, a certain individual is only ever able to constantly nit pick and point out negatives that don't actually exist under the guise of their 'concern'.
I know Isaythat - it's so bloomin' frustrating that instead of applauding such a lovely thing for a community, a certain individual is only ever able to constantly nit pick and point out negatives that don't actually exist under the guise of their 'concern'. Miss Magoo
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