Shopfront improvement works in Walthamstow High Street completed

WORKS to smarten up shopfronts at the top of Walthamstow High Street have been completed.

The council has spent £400,000 on installing new awnings and shutters, along with repainting the frontages, as part of attempts to attract shoppers and boost the area.

The works began in April.

It comes following similar works in Leyton High Road, which were greeted with a mixed reaction by traders.

Many said the refurbishments had improved the look of the area but some businesses told the Guardian it had made no difference to the number of shoppers visiting.

Council leader Cllr Chris Robbins said: “They look absolutely marvellous...

“We know residents are crying out for better shops and better leisure facilities in this borough and it is just this sort of investment that can help turn those aspirations into realities."

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4:42pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Tom Thumb says...

Repainting the frontage of a betting shop, a charity shop, an Islamic bookshop and a chippie is guaranteed to bring the crowds flocking in to the high street.

Eat your heart out, Westfield.
Repainting the frontage of a betting shop, a charity shop, an Islamic bookshop and a chippie is guaranteed to bring the crowds flocking in to the high street. Eat your heart out, Westfield. Tom Thumb

5:03pm Fri 30 Nov 12

skealey says...

That's the spirit, Tom Thumb! God forbid we have a high street that looks presentable.

I think they look great and are money well spent.
That's the spirit, Tom Thumb! God forbid we have a high street that looks presentable. I think they look great and are money well spent. skealey

5:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

driftingcowboy says...

Well, I suppose its some improvement but not much. All you need to do is take a look at the awful market and what surrounds it and its enough to put anyone off.
Hoe Street remains one of the ugliest thoroughfares in London.
Well, I suppose its some improvement but not much. All you need to do is take a look at the awful market and what surrounds it and its enough to put anyone off. Hoe Street remains one of the ugliest thoroughfares in London. driftingcowboy

6:00pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Nairn says...

I have to say that I honestly hadn't noticed any difference at all. Only now that it has been pointed out to me do I see that a lick of paint has been applied to a few shop fronts.
I have to say that I honestly hadn't noticed any difference at all. Only now that it has been pointed out to me do I see that a lick of paint has been applied to a few shop fronts. Nairn

6:49pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

'Council leader Cllr Chris Robbins said: “They look absolutely marvellous... " '

No they don't look marvellous, Chris. They look a bit better than they did before - that's all.

“We know residents are crying out for better shops and better leisure facilities in this borough and it is just this sort of investment that can help turn those aspirations into realities."

The first half of the sentence is correct, but it will take an awful lot more than a lick of paint on a few very mundane shops to turn aspirations into realities.

Message: Don't over-egg the cake.
'Council leader Cllr Chris Robbins said: “They look absolutely marvellous... " ' No they don't look marvellous, Chris. They look a bit better than they did before - that's all. “We know residents are crying out for better shops and better leisure facilities in this borough and it is just this sort of investment that can help turn those aspirations into realities." The first half of the sentence is correct, but it will take an awful lot more than a lick of paint on a few very mundane shops to turn aspirations into realities. Message: Don't over-egg the cake. Helen, Walthamstow

7:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tjw422 says...

Oh dear.
Our local Waltham Forest news paper through our residential doors stated 'Walthamstow is on the up'.
The pictures showed High street 'before and after' but showed different shop front shots at least 75 yards apart. Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ?
Exasperated to say the least. Our council have yet again totally lost the plot.
Oh dear. Our local Waltham Forest news paper through our residential doors stated 'Walthamstow is on the up'. The pictures showed High street 'before and after' but showed different shop front shots at least 75 yards apart. Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ? Exasperated to say the least. Our council have yet again totally lost the plot. tjw422

7:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tjw422 says...

Skealey.
You are in dream world. Where do you get your glasses from, or don't you live in LBWF and pay rates here?
Skealey. You are in dream world. Where do you get your glasses from, or don't you live in LBWF and pay rates here? tjw422

9:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Tom Thumb says...

Anyone who thinks this £400,000 expenditure is going to bring one extra person to shop in the high street needs to show how.

It's surely what shops are selling that matters.

Walthamstow just doesn't have the kind of shops that encourage people to travel to Ilford, or Westfield, or Oxford Street, or places like that.

Westfield is also pleasantly free of chuggers, beggars and aggressive salespersons who want you to change your electricity supplier.

But to be fair the high street can offer the unique aural experience of talented Latin American pans pipes players working their way through the theme music from Hollywood hits, while competing with the amplified BBC weather forecast on the Big Screen.
Anyone who thinks this £400,000 expenditure is going to bring one extra person to shop in the high street needs to show how. It's surely what shops are selling that matters. Walthamstow just doesn't have the kind of shops that encourage people to travel to Ilford, or Westfield, or Oxford Street, or places like that. Westfield is also pleasantly free of chuggers, beggars and aggressive salespersons who want you to change your electricity supplier. But to be fair the high street can offer the unique aural experience of talented Latin American pans pipes players working their way through the theme music from Hollywood hits, while competing with the amplified BBC weather forecast on the Big Screen. Tom Thumb

9:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Tom Thumb says...

I forgot to say that this £400,000 would have been much better spent on a giant statue of Councillor Pye pointing the way to Surrey.

The Arcade Site cries out for this structure, which would be a marvel that would bring in visitors by the tens of thousands.

Only a giant statue of Councillor Pye will ever really regenerate Walthamstow.
I forgot to say that this £400,000 would have been much better spent on a giant statue of Councillor Pye pointing the way to Surrey. The Arcade Site cries out for this structure, which would be a marvel that would bring in visitors by the tens of thousands. Only a giant statue of Councillor Pye will ever really regenerate Walthamstow. Tom Thumb

8:16am Sat 1 Dec 12

stowdude says...

......and the High Street will be even better when the new John Lewis store opens. I've heard rumours that Fortnum's and Harvey Nics. are thinking about coming to Walthamstow too....
......and the High Street will be even better when the new John Lewis store opens. I've heard rumours that Fortnum's and Harvey Nics. are thinking about coming to Walthamstow too.... stowdude

9:06am Sat 1 Dec 12

tjw422 says...

To Tom Thumb.
Spot on.
Thank you so much for my first laugh of the day. If we didn't laugh at this sort of thing, I think we'd all give up.
To Tom Thumb. Spot on. Thank you so much for my first laugh of the day. If we didn't laugh at this sort of thing, I think we'd all give up. tjw422

12:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

NDevoto says...

Wow! Just in time for ...er the Olympics! While a new shopfront looks better surely if it really made a significant difference to sales, the shopkeepers would be doing it themselves as an investment. As to improving the high st, this is a tiny part of it and generally for the Council's half hearted attempts, the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind, though that is unfair to pigs.
So much for the revitalisation of the James st end which has fizzled out.
Wow! Just in time for ...er the Olympics! While a new shopfront looks better surely if it really made a significant difference to sales, the shopkeepers would be doing it themselves as an investment. As to improving the high st, this is a tiny part of it and generally for the Council's half hearted attempts, the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind, though that is unfair to pigs. So much for the revitalisation of the James st end which has fizzled out. NDevoto

12:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

NDevoto says...

Wow! Just in time for ...er the Olympics! While a new shopfront looks better surely if it really made a significant difference to sales, the shopkeepers would be doing it themselves as an investment. As to improving the high st, this is a tiny part of it and generally for the Council's half hearted attempts, the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind, though that is unfair to pigs.
So much for the revitalisation of the James st end which has fizzled out.
Wow! Just in time for ...er the Olympics! While a new shopfront looks better surely if it really made a significant difference to sales, the shopkeepers would be doing it themselves as an investment. As to improving the high st, this is a tiny part of it and generally for the Council's half hearted attempts, the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind, though that is unfair to pigs. So much for the revitalisation of the James st end which has fizzled out. NDevoto

2:49pm Sat 1 Dec 12

myopinioncounts says...

My house needs painting - when can I expect the council to pay for that to be done? Surely the upkeep of the shops is down to the owners?
My house needs painting - when can I expect the council to pay for that to be done? Surely the upkeep of the shops is down to the owners? myopinioncounts

3:11pm Sat 1 Dec 12

SXH says...

I would have thought it is part of councils policy for any business owners to upkeep there property, but it appears the tax payers have to pay again.
I would have thought it is part of councils policy for any business owners to upkeep there property, but it appears the tax payers have to pay again. SXH

5:02pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Stevo98 says...

The council have been contributing toward the costs of shop front renovations for ages. If the shopkeeper refuses to do the work and pay his share there's not much you can do about it.
The council have been contributing toward the costs of shop front renovations for ages. If the shopkeeper refuses to do the work and pay his share there's not much you can do about it. Stevo98

5:34pm Sat 1 Dec 12

G Sladden says...

Did it cost £400,000 to paint four or five houses and install new awnings and shutters? It seems a little bit expensive. But never mind, those four or five houses do look a little bit better and it’s a tiny, tiny, little step in the right direction.

Unfortunately, because we start from such an abysmally low base, and because of the uncouth behaviour of so many Walthamstownians, in my opinion, it will be almost impossible to regenerate this ugly place.
Did it cost £400,000 to paint four or five houses and install new awnings and shutters? It seems a little bit expensive. But never mind, those four or five houses do look a little bit better and it’s a tiny, tiny, little step in the right direction. Unfortunately, because we start from such an abysmally low base, and because of the uncouth behaviour of so many Walthamstownians, in my opinion, it will be almost impossible to regenerate this ugly place. G Sladden

7:28pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Tom Thumb says...

stowdude wrote:
......and the High Street will be even better when the new John Lewis store opens. I've heard rumours that Fortnum's and Harvey Nics. are thinking about coming to Walthamstow too....
Harrods also, thank the Lord.

One simply can't buy foie gras at present.
[quote][p][bold]stowdude[/bold] wrote: ......and the High Street will be even better when the new John Lewis store opens. I've heard rumours that Fortnum's and Harvey Nics. are thinking about coming to Walthamstow too....[/p][/quote]Harrods also, thank the Lord. One simply can't buy foie gras at present. Tom Thumb

8:25pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Stevo98 says...

The changes in East London are despite of LBWF, not because of.
The changes in East London are despite of LBWF, not because of. Stevo98

10:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

G Sladden says...

tjw422 wrote: “Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ?”

Talking of pawnbrokers, have you seen how many of them there are on the High Street (market street) these days?
H&T Pawnbrokers is at the beginning, is the one that’s been tarted-up.
Bond Pawnbrokers on left of the street before Selbourne shopping centre.
St Georges Jewellers and Pawnbrokers, on the left, not too far from Bond Pawnbrokers.
Fish Brothers Pawnbrokers, just before Sainsburys.
The Moneyshop Pawnbrokers, on the right of the street, towards St James.
Capital Gold Pawnbrokers on the right near the Moneyshop.
If none of the above caters for your taste, turn left into St James’ Street and 20 yards on the right of the street, you have a branch of Cashconverters.
Like the guy from the Council says, Walthamstow is up and coming!
tjw422 wrote: “Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ?” Talking of pawnbrokers, have you seen how many of them there are on the High Street (market street) these days? H&T Pawnbrokers is at the beginning, is the one that’s been tarted-up. Bond Pawnbrokers on left of the street before Selbourne shopping centre. St Georges Jewellers and Pawnbrokers, on the left, not too far from Bond Pawnbrokers. Fish Brothers Pawnbrokers, just before Sainsburys. The Moneyshop Pawnbrokers, on the right of the street, towards St James. Capital Gold Pawnbrokers on the right near the Moneyshop. If none of the above caters for your taste, turn left into St James’ Street and 20 yards on the right of the street, you have a branch of Cashconverters. Like the guy from the Council says, Walthamstow is up and coming! G Sladden

12:14am Sun 2 Dec 12

lesbian horse says...

As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Its a shame as the market was a great place when I was a kid. Its dirty and feels threatening now, The only reason to go there is if you need some h
ala meat or want to pawn your possessions.
As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Its a shame as the market was a great place when I was a kid. Its dirty and feels threatening now, The only reason to go there is if you need some h ala meat or want to pawn your possessions. lesbian horse

9:04am Sun 2 Dec 12

myopinioncounts says...

The series of carefully chosen images of Waltham Forest on the Arcade site should be joined by another set showing the other 'face' of the borough. This should include - street drinkers, the litter left on pavements or thrown over the fences onto the railway embankments etc.,the mattresses and other furniture dumped in front gardens or on the street, the 'dodgy' extensions and buildings blighted by satellite dishes, etc. etc.
The series of carefully chosen images of Waltham Forest on the Arcade site should be joined by another set showing the other 'face' of the borough. This should include - street drinkers, the litter left on pavements or thrown over the fences onto the railway embankments etc.,the mattresses and other furniture dumped in front gardens or on the street, the 'dodgy' extensions and buildings blighted by satellite dishes, etc. etc. myopinioncounts

6:07pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Tom Thumb says...

G Sladden wrote:
tjw422 wrote: “Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ?”

Talking of pawnbrokers, have you seen how many of them there are on the High Street (market street) these days?
H&T Pawnbrokers is at the beginning, is the one that’s been tarted-up.
Bond Pawnbrokers on left of the street before Selbourne shopping centre.
St Georges Jewellers and Pawnbrokers, on the left, not too far from Bond Pawnbrokers.
Fish Brothers Pawnbrokers, just before Sainsburys.
The Moneyshop Pawnbrokers, on the right of the street, towards St James.
Capital Gold Pawnbrokers on the right near the Moneyshop.
If none of the above caters for your taste, turn left into St James’ Street and 20 yards on the right of the street, you have a branch of Cashconverters.
Like the guy from the Council says, Walthamstow is up and coming!
Add to that charity shops and shops selling goods all priced at a quid or less and betting shops and loan sharks. They show how the money just isn't there to make the high street the equal of prime shopping streets in Camden or Islington.

The council's much-hyped scheme to liven up the St James Street end of the high street seems to have foundered, with only the fast food outlets clinging on.

Councillor Robbins is living in la-la land. This is very profitable territory for his council's army of consultants and spin merchants but it does nothing for residents.
[quote][p][bold]G Sladden[/bold] wrote: tjw422 wrote: “Why on earth did someone in the council think it was good to show a pawnbrokers shop as the first shop in the high street as Walthamstow is on the way up ?” Talking of pawnbrokers, have you seen how many of them there are on the High Street (market street) these days? H&T Pawnbrokers is at the beginning, is the one that’s been tarted-up. Bond Pawnbrokers on left of the street before Selbourne shopping centre. St Georges Jewellers and Pawnbrokers, on the left, not too far from Bond Pawnbrokers. Fish Brothers Pawnbrokers, just before Sainsburys. The Moneyshop Pawnbrokers, on the right of the street, towards St James. Capital Gold Pawnbrokers on the right near the Moneyshop. If none of the above caters for your taste, turn left into St James’ Street and 20 yards on the right of the street, you have a branch of Cashconverters. Like the guy from the Council says, Walthamstow is up and coming![/p][/quote]Add to that charity shops and shops selling goods all priced at a quid or less and betting shops and loan sharks. They show how the money just isn't there to make the high street the equal of prime shopping streets in Camden or Islington. The council's much-hyped scheme to liven up the St James Street end of the high street seems to have foundered, with only the fast food outlets clinging on. Councillor Robbins is living in la-la land. This is very profitable territory for his council's army of consultants and spin merchants but it does nothing for residents. Tom Thumb

6:54pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Jeremy_Griffiths says...

A bit of paint and new shutters cost £400,00? Money well spent. This Council is so ultra-efficient with out money and never ever wastes a penny. And it's so imaginative too! I for one am worried about being able to navigate the High St/Hoe St junction for all the millions of shoppers flocking to sell their gold for cash in a shop with some white and pink paint on it. Roll on the automated Robbins Robot welcoming people to the market. 'Hi, I'm Council Leader Chris Robbins and you've just entered Shangri-La!'
A bit of paint and new shutters cost £400,00? Money well spent. This Council is so ultra-efficient with out money and never ever wastes a penny. And it's so imaginative too! I for one am worried about being able to navigate the High St/Hoe St junction for all the millions of shoppers flocking to sell their gold for cash in a shop with some white and pink paint on it. Roll on the automated Robbins Robot welcoming people to the market. 'Hi, I'm Council Leader Chris Robbins and you've just entered Shangri-La!' Jeremy_Griffiths

9:30am Mon 3 Dec 12

Tom Thumb says...

The talking Robbins Robot would make the ideal companion for the giant statue of Councillor Pye pointing the way to Surrey.
The talking Robbins Robot would make the ideal companion for the giant statue of Councillor Pye pointing the way to Surrey. Tom Thumb

9:46am Mon 3 Dec 12

Isaythat says...

Do auditors actually check any of these figures? It is unrealistic to suggest the cost for repainting this part of the High Street cost £400,000. Why has no-one in a position to do so, queried it?
Do auditors actually check any of these figures? It is unrealistic to suggest the cost for repainting this part of the High Street cost £400,000. Why has no-one in a position to do so, queried it? Isaythat

10:20am Mon 3 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

lesbian horse wrote:
As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Its a shame as the market was a great place when I was a kid. Its dirty and feels threatening now, The only reason to go there is if you need some h
ala meat or want to pawn your possessions.
Provided the shop is not being robbed.
[quote][p][bold]lesbian horse[/bold] wrote: As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Its a shame as the market was a great place when I was a kid. Its dirty and feels threatening now, The only reason to go there is if you need some h ala meat or want to pawn your possessions.[/p][/quote]Provided the shop is not being robbed. Cornbeefur

11:02am Mon 3 Dec 12

SXH says...

Isaythat wrote:
Do auditors actually check any of these figures? It is unrealistic to suggest the cost for repainting this part of the High Street cost £400,000. Why has no-one in a position to do so, queried it?
They make there own decisions and checks, it's why it cost so much.

maybe they should allow members from the community to choose there contractors, i'm sure we'll find some savings.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: Do auditors actually check any of these figures? It is unrealistic to suggest the cost for repainting this part of the High Street cost £400,000. Why has no-one in a position to do so, queried it?[/p][/quote]They make there own decisions and checks, it's why it cost so much. maybe they should allow members from the community to choose there contractors, i'm sure we'll find some savings. SXH

1:02pm Mon 3 Dec 12

mdj says...

One wonders whose steel toecapped boots have been kicking council backsides recently, after 25 years of wilful neglect.
This isn't a brilliant piece of work, with the lettering awkwardly scattered between windows or missing altogether when it hits them, but at least it shows some attempt at local pride.
I would love to see the invoices, however: I can't see this costing more than £100,000, to be generous.
One wonders whose steel toecapped boots have been kicking council backsides recently, after 25 years of wilful neglect. This isn't a brilliant piece of work, with the lettering awkwardly scattered between windows or missing altogether when it hits them, but at least it shows some attempt at local pride. I would love to see the invoices, however: I can't see this costing more than £100,000, to be generous. mdj

3:34pm Mon 3 Dec 12

skealey says...

tjw422 wrote:
Skealey.
You are in dream world. Where do you get your glasses from, or don't you live in LBWF and pay rates here?
Why on earth would I comment on a small news story on a local website if I didn't live here?

I think the improvements are exactly that - an improvement. Don't really see the need for so much moaning about it. Good shops are never going to come to an area that looks a mess, so the council are doing the precisely the correct thing as a first step.

I really wonder if the half energy spent by some people in moaning about E17 was transferred to actually doing something positive about it, then the place could be turned round.
[quote][p][bold]tjw422[/bold] wrote: Skealey. You are in dream world. Where do you get your glasses from, or don't you live in LBWF and pay rates here?[/p][/quote]Why on earth would I comment on a small news story on a local website if I didn't live here? I think the improvements are exactly that - an improvement. Don't really see the need for so much moaning about it. Good shops are never going to come to an area that looks a mess, so the council are doing the precisely the correct thing as a first step. I really wonder if the half energy spent by some people in moaning about E17 was transferred to actually doing something positive about it, then the place could be turned round. skealey

12:07pm Tue 4 Dec 12

malpasc says...

Unless the council prevent the opening of yet more fried chicken shops, pound shops, foreign grocery stores, shops selling cheap tat, and betting shops then Walthamstow High Street will never be "on the up".

The "improved" market is still a tatty eyesore and the vast majority of the other shops are about as inspiring as root canal work.

Add to this the fact everything down there is universally scruffy, litter strewn, and has an unkempt appearance I'm surprised anyone in their right mind would choose Walthamstow as their preferred shopping location.
Unless the council prevent the opening of yet more fried chicken shops, pound shops, foreign grocery stores, shops selling cheap tat, and betting shops then Walthamstow High Street will never be "on the up". The "improved" market is still a tatty eyesore and the vast majority of the other shops are about as inspiring as root canal work. Add to this the fact everything down there is universally scruffy, litter strewn, and has an unkempt appearance I'm surprised anyone in their right mind would choose Walthamstow as their preferred shopping location. malpasc

5:23pm Tue 4 Dec 12

tjw422 says...

Skealey. Didn't mean to upset you but I do feel that you should read all of the other comments made. Yes, we should want improvements here where we live, but when you look at this result, is it actually worth the stated £400,000? Previously, many of our very local residents signed petitions and demonstrated about the redevelopment on the car park. What we are factually going to realise here is the introduction of Benidorm 2. We already have the drunks, anti-social behaviour, the dog excrement, and next year we will be having the high rise problems to go with it. Mistakes of the 60's/70's are being blindly copied. Don't get me wrong. I would fully approve of the council spending my full rates quota on improvements, but I have yet to see any proof of this. (A 10 year empty arcade site and all of the rates lost, a high street that is not inviting, continual thieving from shops, even charity shops ( I know because I volunteer in one, and one year even the raffle hamper was stolen from the window area). However, I will still live here, pay my rates here, and will continue in my efforts locally to push for better things. Our ward Cllrs have done nothing for us in the last 3 years since Midge Broadley retired.
Think I'll stop now. Over and out on this subject.
Skealey. Didn't mean to upset you but I do feel that you should read all of the other comments made. Yes, we should want improvements here where we live, but when you look at this result, is it actually worth the stated £400,000? Previously, many of our very local residents signed petitions and demonstrated about the redevelopment on the car park. What we are factually going to realise here is the introduction of Benidorm 2. We already have the drunks, anti-social behaviour, the dog excrement, and next year we will be having the high rise problems to go with it. Mistakes of the 60's/70's are being blindly copied. Don't get me wrong. I would fully approve of the council spending my full rates quota on improvements, but I have yet to see any proof of this. (A 10 year empty arcade site and all of the rates lost, a high street that is not inviting, continual thieving from shops, even charity shops ( I know because I volunteer in one, and one year even the raffle hamper was stolen from the window area). However, I will still live here, pay my rates here, and will continue in my efforts locally to push for better things. Our ward Cllrs have done nothing for us in the last 3 years since Midge Broadley retired. Think I'll stop now. Over and out on this subject. tjw422

9:07am Wed 5 Dec 12

G Sladden says...

skealey wrote: ‘I really wonder if the half energy spent by some people in moaning about E17 was transferred to actually doing something positive about it, then the place could be turned round.’

In theory I agree with you. In practice I suspect that in E17, people who care even a little bit are vastly outnumbered by people who don’t care at all.
What exactly do you expect us to do: go around collecting the hundreds of dumped mattresses and assorted fly tipping scattered all over the place on a daily basis? Knock on people doors and explain that broken furniture and building rubble left to rot in the front garden is an eyesore and a health hazard? Convince the Council not to give a trading licence to the umpteenth junk food shop? Sort out the problems of highly transient population on low wages, in an extremely dense area, which means that said people will never give a **** about their surrounding because they are too busy trying to stay alive?
The decay and degradation in so many east London boroughs including Walthamstow, is the results of various factors: historical, economics and political and I fear that good meaning individuals can do little to fix this.

Those who could left this dump years ago.
skealey wrote: ‘I really wonder if the half energy spent by some people in moaning about E17 was transferred to actually doing something positive about it, then the place could be turned round.’ In theory I agree with you. In practice I suspect that in E17, people who care even a little bit are vastly outnumbered by people who don’t care at all. What exactly do you expect us to do: go around collecting the hundreds of dumped mattresses and assorted fly tipping scattered all over the place on a daily basis? Knock on people doors and explain that broken furniture and building rubble left to rot in the front garden is an eyesore and a health hazard? Convince the Council not to give a trading licence to the umpteenth junk food shop? Sort out the problems of highly transient population on low wages, in an extremely dense area, which means that said people will never give a **** about their surrounding because they are too busy trying to stay alive? The decay and degradation in so many east London boroughs including Walthamstow, is the results of various factors: historical, economics and political and I fear that good meaning individuals can do little to fix this. Those who could left this dump years ago. G Sladden

10:15am Wed 5 Dec 12

Antonk says...

If Cllr Robbins says they look marvelous then who am I to argue.

Great that they are investing in improvements but £400K for 4 or 5 shops! - were NPS London Ltd involved?

The scaffolding was up that long that I forgot what they looked like in the first place.

We had the front of our house renovated, paint stripped, reapplied and concrete sills reset, new guttering and pipework. Cost including scaffolding, £5K.

Must have found some asbestos ...
If Cllr Robbins says they look marvelous then who am I to argue. Great that they are investing in improvements but £400K for 4 or 5 shops! - were NPS London Ltd involved? The scaffolding was up that long that I forgot what they looked like in the first place. We had the front of our house renovated, paint stripped, reapplied and concrete sills reset, new guttering and pipework. Cost including scaffolding, £5K. Must have found some asbestos ... Antonk

11:30am Wed 5 Dec 12

Isaythat says...

G.Sladdon. With respect, I disagree. Many good people love Walthamstow and moving away is only shutting their eyes to a problem that will eventually be country wide. A lot of residents living in this country now have no idea of our standards - only the ones they have left. I cannot believe anyone actually wants to live that way, but they know nothing else. It is up to every decent person to stand together and say "We will not accept this". After the riots people pulled together and showed what good people are made of. Surely it can be done in Walthamstow!. It only takes someone to start something (we know this by the mob on the loose last year). Something good can be started just as easily. It just needs a small group of neighbours to get together and it will soon snowball.
I am just about to start a voluntary group ready for next spring for my local park because I do not like how it is being maintained (though lack of funds) ........I don't know if anyone will respond, but if I don't try I'll never know!.
G.Sladdon. With respect, I disagree. Many good people love Walthamstow and moving away is only shutting their eyes to a problem that will eventually be country wide. A lot of residents living in this country now have no idea of our standards - only the ones they have left. I cannot believe anyone actually wants to live that way, but they know nothing else. It is up to every decent person to stand together and say "We will not accept this". After the riots people pulled together and showed what good people are made of. Surely it can be done in Walthamstow!. It only takes someone to start something (we know this by the mob on the loose last year). Something good can be started just as easily. It just needs a small group of neighbours to get together and it will soon snowball. I am just about to start a voluntary group ready for next spring for my local park because I do not like how it is being maintained (though lack of funds) ........I don't know if anyone will respond, but if I don't try I'll never know!. Isaythat

4:26pm Wed 5 Dec 12

RichieA70 says...

While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped.

As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago.

While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets.

Yes there's an increase of slum-like
deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc.

If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy.

Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people.

Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.
While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped. As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago. While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets. Yes there's an increase of slum-like deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc. If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy. Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people. Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc. RichieA70

4:37pm Wed 5 Dec 12

malpasc says...

RichieA70 wrote:
While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped.

As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago.

While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets.

Yes there's an increase of slum-like
deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc.

If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy.

Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people.

Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.
I've mentioned this previously, that there seems to be an attitude in Walthamstow that anything done to attract a possibly wealthier, more 'arty', middle class (call them what you will) demographic is somehow a bad thing and that Walthamstow doesn't deserve to be improved. We need wealthier people to be encouraged into Walthamstow to spend money locally and improve the local economy for everyone.

I'm really encouraged by the latest addition of The Bell, the expanded E17 Art House and other venues appearing on the scene - they encourage me to stay here rather than head out of the borough to socialise. They encourage me to spend more of my money locally and for me to tell friends etc that Walthamstow isn't such a bad place and to come and see what's happening.
[quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped. As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago. While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets. Yes there's an increase of slum-like deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc. If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy. Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people. Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.[/p][/quote]I've mentioned this previously, that there seems to be an attitude in Walthamstow that anything done to attract a possibly wealthier, more 'arty', middle class (call them what you will) demographic is somehow a bad thing and that Walthamstow doesn't deserve to be improved. We need wealthier people to be encouraged into Walthamstow to spend money locally and improve the local economy for everyone. I'm really encouraged by the latest addition of The Bell, the expanded E17 Art House and other venues appearing on the scene - they encourage me to stay here rather than head out of the borough to socialise. They encourage me to spend more of my money locally and for me to tell friends etc that Walthamstow isn't such a bad place and to come and see what's happening. malpasc

4:49pm Wed 5 Dec 12

RichieA70 says...

malpasc wrote:
RichieA70 wrote:
While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped.

As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago.

While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets.

Yes there's an increase of slum-like
deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc.

If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy.

Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people.

Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.
I've mentioned this previously, that there seems to be an attitude in Walthamstow that anything done to attract a possibly wealthier, more 'arty', middle class (call them what you will) demographic is somehow a bad thing and that Walthamstow doesn't deserve to be improved. We need wealthier people to be encouraged into Walthamstow to spend money locally and improve the local economy for everyone.

I'm really encouraged by the latest addition of The Bell, the expanded E17 Art House and other venues appearing on the scene - they encourage me to stay here rather than head out of the borough to socialise. They encourage me to spend more of my money locally and for me to tell friends etc that Walthamstow isn't such a bad place and to come and see what's happening.
Here here malpasc (thanks for reading my essay!) I do the same thing. Unfortunately some people can't accept or see improvements. Perhaps the middle class and ginger people will be the last 'group' that it's socially acceptable to sling mud at...
[quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped. As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago. While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets. Yes there's an increase of slum-like deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc. If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy. Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people. Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.[/p][/quote]I've mentioned this previously, that there seems to be an attitude in Walthamstow that anything done to attract a possibly wealthier, more 'arty', middle class (call them what you will) demographic is somehow a bad thing and that Walthamstow doesn't deserve to be improved. We need wealthier people to be encouraged into Walthamstow to spend money locally and improve the local economy for everyone. I'm really encouraged by the latest addition of The Bell, the expanded E17 Art House and other venues appearing on the scene - they encourage me to stay here rather than head out of the borough to socialise. They encourage me to spend more of my money locally and for me to tell friends etc that Walthamstow isn't such a bad place and to come and see what's happening.[/p][/quote]Here here malpasc (thanks for reading my essay!) I do the same thing. Unfortunately some people can't accept or see improvements. Perhaps the middle class and ginger people will be the last 'group' that it's socially acceptable to sling mud at... RichieA70

4:53pm Wed 5 Dec 12

RichieA70 says...

I was going to add that the money spent doing up/enlarging local pubs is encouraging too (Goose, Bell, C-Tavern, Chequers, Prince of Wales).
I was going to add that the money spent doing up/enlarging local pubs is encouraging too (Goose, Bell, C-Tavern, Chequers, Prince of Wales). RichieA70

6:42pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Tom Thumb says...

RichieA70 wrote:
While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped.

As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago.

While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets.

Yes there's an increase of slum-like
deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc.

If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy.

Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people.

Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.
Wooden sash windows are often paid for by the council tax payer.

The Historic Buildings fund exists to be milked by the most affluent property owners in the posh parts of the borough, including the borders with Woodford.

The current Labour Council hands out lots of lovely lolly to residents in the most expensive houses, has a multi-million pound service industry involving consultancies and property deals of questionable provenance, has cut the differential for owners of the biggest most expensive cars when it comes to CPZ permit charges, and spends a small fortune on a fortnightly newspaper which is Stalinist in character.

What not to like?
[quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped. As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago. While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets. Yes there's an increase of slum-like deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc. If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy. Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people. Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.[/p][/quote]Wooden sash windows are often paid for by the council tax payer. The Historic Buildings fund exists to be milked by the most affluent property owners in the posh parts of the borough, including the borders with Woodford. The current Labour Council hands out lots of lovely lolly to residents in the most expensive houses, has a multi-million pound service industry involving consultancies and property deals of questionable provenance, has cut the differential for owners of the biggest most expensive cars when it comes to CPZ permit charges, and spends a small fortune on a fortnightly newspaper which is Stalinist in character. What not to like? Tom Thumb

11:23pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Jeremy_Griffiths says...

I really don't like the idea that people shouldn't bother even trying to DO something. This is our home and we care. There have been many local campaigns on many issues showing people do give a toss. I deplore this 'just leave the dump and give up' attitude. What a sad world it would be if everyone had this attitude.
I really don't like the idea that people shouldn't bother even trying to DO something. This is our home and we care. There have been many local campaigns on many issues showing people do give a toss. I deplore this 'just leave the dump and give up' attitude. What a sad world it would be if everyone had this attitude. Jeremy_Griffiths

10:21am Thu 6 Dec 12

RichieA70 says...

Jeremy_Griffiths wrote:
I really don't like the idea that people shouldn't bother even trying to DO something. This is our home and we care. There have been many local campaigns on many issues showing people do give a toss. I deplore this 'just leave the dump and give up' attitude. What a sad world it would be if everyone had this attitude.
Here here!
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy_Griffiths[/bold] wrote: I really don't like the idea that people shouldn't bother even trying to DO something. This is our home and we care. There have been many local campaigns on many issues showing people do give a toss. I deplore this 'just leave the dump and give up' attitude. What a sad world it would be if everyone had this attitude.[/p][/quote]Here here! RichieA70

11:40am Thu 6 Dec 12

RichieA70 says...

Tom Thumb wrote:
RichieA70 wrote:
While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped.

As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago.

While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets.

Yes there's an increase of slum-like
deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc.

If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy.

Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people.

Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.
Wooden sash windows are often paid for by the council tax payer.

The Historic Buildings fund exists to be milked by the most affluent property owners in the posh parts of the borough, including the borders with Woodford.

The current Labour Council hands out lots of lovely lolly to residents in the most expensive houses, has a multi-million pound service industry involving consultancies and property deals of questionable provenance, has cut the differential for owners of the biggest most expensive cars when it comes to CPZ permit charges, and spends a small fortune on a fortnightly newspaper which is Stalinist in character.

What not to like?
I think the subsidy for paying for wooden sash windows only applies to buildings in conservation areas. I was thinking of homes not in conservation areas that are getting them.

Anyway, I don't disagree with your analysis of the council and hopefully Eric Pickles will have forced them to stop printing the almost surreal propaganda sheet with new legislation next year.
[quote][p][bold]Tom Thumb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While the overall appearance is disappointing (less thorough than Leyton High Rd and clearly overpriced) the 14 or so shops do look better. They are meant to help trigger a step-change to improving shopping in general and it will take time to see if they have helped. As to whether Walthamstow overall is getting better, worse, or doing a bit of both in different respects I think it depends how you see the area. I readily admit to looking out for improvements but do still think the place is better than it was when I moved here 7 years ago. While some things have been 'lost' like the nearby dog track, Standard Music Venue etc, there seems to have been an increasing number of relatively affluent people moving here. The council know this and one of their objectives is to get them spending here which is needed to help contribute towards a general improvement in shopping, food and leisure outlets. Yes there's an increase of slum-like deteriorating rental properties and mattress piles but also more smarter properties where significant money has been spent on wooden sash windows, spruced up frontages etc. If/when the cinema Trust deliver their restoration and entertainment plans at the EMD cinema it will make a HUGE difference to the area by increasing the circulation of money spent locally both by residents and outsiders. The resolve by the council to go for a CPO if needed shows the recognition of huge potential here and a sleeping giant of an untapped evening economy. Walthamstow has had an evolving population demographic for hundreds of years and was once the home of Georgian millionaires and captains of industry. So I'm not quite sure why some people feel it's ok to bash trendy/monied/arty types moving here as if the area must be reserved only for working class, immigrants and poor people. Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk. The revived Bell pub, Arts & Crusts, Arthur Long sweet shop are some examples of operations probably unexpected here a few years ago, let alone the huge attendance figures at the enlarged Wm Morris gallery and the achievements of the trustees and volunteers at The Mill, Friends of Lloyd Park etc., Wood St Inside Out team etc.[/p][/quote]Wooden sash windows are often paid for by the council tax payer. The Historic Buildings fund exists to be milked by the most affluent property owners in the posh parts of the borough, including the borders with Woodford. The current Labour Council hands out lots of lovely lolly to residents in the most expensive houses, has a multi-million pound service industry involving consultancies and property deals of questionable provenance, has cut the differential for owners of the biggest most expensive cars when it comes to CPZ permit charges, and spends a small fortune on a fortnightly newspaper which is Stalinist in character. What not to like?[/p][/quote]I think the subsidy for paying for wooden sash windows only applies to buildings in conservation areas. I was thinking of homes not in conservation areas that are getting them. Anyway, I don't disagree with your analysis of the council and hopefully Eric Pickles will have forced them to stop printing the almost surreal propaganda sheet with new legislation next year. RichieA70

9:01am Fri 7 Dec 12

TTMAN says...

Bring back the Sarsparela stall, faggots and peese pudding wrapped in newspaper, live eels. That is what attracted people from afar to the market when I was a lad in the 50's with grandparents living in Glenthorne Road. Pop was a night watchman who bought his hut too close to the brazier and burnt it down, my nan used to get a knock on the door, my Harolds passed over can you come and lay him out, our Winny has gone into labour can you come and deliver, street party for the coronation. Memories!
Bring back the Sarsparela stall, faggots and peese pudding wrapped in newspaper, live eels. That is what attracted people from afar to the market when I was a lad in the 50's with grandparents living in Glenthorne Road. Pop was a night watchman who bought his hut too close to the brazier and burnt it down, my nan used to get a knock on the door, my Harolds passed over can you come and lay him out, our Winny has gone into labour can you come and deliver, street party for the coronation. Memories! TTMAN

10:21am Fri 7 Dec 12

myopinioncounts says...

RichieA70 wrote:Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk."
- The Coppermill area? Are you joking ! The Coppermill pub staff sweep the cigarette ends into the gutter where they stay for weeks until Keir eventually cleans up. The area is blighted by discarded drink containers and fast food packaging, parked commercial vehicles and the many front gardens filled with furniture. The waterworks end of Coppermill Lane is a regular flytipping target. Anything else you would like to know to destroy the vision of an affluent area?
RichieA70 wrote:Once seemingly kept to the confines of the 'Village', there's signs of more affluence in other parts now, especially Coppermill and Lloyd Pk." - The Coppermill area? Are you joking ! The Coppermill pub staff sweep the cigarette ends into the gutter where they stay for weeks until Keir eventually cleans up. The area is blighted by discarded drink containers and fast food packaging, parked commercial vehicles and the many front gardens filled with furniture. The waterworks end of Coppermill Lane is a regular flytipping target. Anything else you would like to know to destroy the vision of an affluent area? myopinioncounts

10:55am Fri 7 Dec 12

Stidgeos says...

TTMAN wrote:
Bring back the Sarsparela stall, faggots and peese pudding wrapped in newspaper, live eels. That is what attracted people from afar to the market when I was a lad in the 50's with grandparents living in Glenthorne Road. Pop was a night watchman who bought his hut too close to the brazier and burnt it down, my nan used to get a knock on the door, my Harolds passed over can you come and lay him out, our Winny has gone into labour can you come and deliver, street party for the coronation. Memories!
Mmmm Sarsparela. I'm only 23 but my mum used to bring home some of that when I was younger. I wish E17 and the council would reinvest in some of the East End's delicacies and traditions. It's such a shame that Tubby Issac's and a declining Manze's are the only remaining attractions for those with a cockney heart, such as myself!
[quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Bring back the Sarsparela stall, faggots and peese pudding wrapped in newspaper, live eels. That is what attracted people from afar to the market when I was a lad in the 50's with grandparents living in Glenthorne Road. Pop was a night watchman who bought his hut too close to the brazier and burnt it down, my nan used to get a knock on the door, my Harolds passed over can you come and lay him out, our Winny has gone into labour can you come and deliver, street party for the coronation. Memories![/p][/quote]Mmmm Sarsparela. I'm only 23 but my mum used to bring home some of that when I was younger. I wish E17 and the council would reinvest in some of the East End's delicacies and traditions. It's such a shame that Tubby Issac's and a declining Manze's are the only remaining attractions for those with a cockney heart, such as myself! Stidgeos

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