Arcade site development plans in Walthamstow set to be approved by Waltham Forest Council

An artist's impression of the plans drawn up by the developers.

An artist's impression of the plans drawn up by the developers.

First published in Waltham Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

A BID to build 121 homes, restaurants and a nine screen cinema on Walthamstow's Arcade site looks set to be approved by councillors next week.

Officers from Waltham Forest Council have recommended that the authority's planning committee grant planning permission for the scheme when they meet on January 8.


The site, on the corner of Hoe Street and High Street, has been derelict for nearly a decade following repeated failed attempts to develop the land.


The latest proposals have been drawn up by Islington and Shoreditch Housing Association (ISHA), while a deal has been signed with independent chain Empire to run the cinema.

The documents for the planning meeting reveal that 50 of the homes will be “affordable”, subject to a viability assessment, and that the scheme will comprise several buildings between two and six storeys tall.


In addition, the council has asked ISHA to contribute a number of Section 106 community grants to compensate for the impact the development will have on public services in Waltham Forest.


This includes £121,000 towards healthcare, £312,000 for education and £416,000 for tree planting, highway improvement works, air quality monitoring and public art.


The cinema plans include provision for 1,200 seats and for it to open until 1am on weekdays and 3am on Fridays and Saturdays.


Public bodies such as the Greater London Authority have said they are satisfied with the plans but some residents have raised concerns.


A total of 1,800 consultation letters were sent out but not every household in the vicinity was included.
 

For example, the council report claims “all” houses in Byron Road were consulted, but also states that only houses numbered 1 to 40 were sent letters, even though the road has more than 80 properties.


Of the 51 responses received, the impact of the scheme on nearby homes was cited as a concern, along with parking.

The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits.
 

But some residents fear households will simply park in nearby streets instead, and fear parking from cinema-goers could exacerbate such problems.
 

Others respondents welcomed the plans and said it would help regenerate Walthamstow.


The council report recommends the plans be approved because it “represents a significant major regeneration site and opportunity not only for the area but for the borough as a whole.”


It adds: “The development would provide a major catalyst for further investment in Walthamstow”.

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3:07pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Sam Hain says...

For God's sake just get on with it!
For God's sake just get on with it! Sam Hain
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3:10pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Dave mp says...

Sam Hain wrote:
For God's sake just get on with it!
Totally agree, stop wasting time.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: For God's sake just get on with it![/p][/quote]Totally agree, stop wasting time. Dave mp
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3:29pm Mon 31 Dec 12

NDevoto says...

A cinema open til 3am?
Is this common practice ? I haven't been to one in years.
A cinema open til 3am? Is this common practice ? I haven't been to one in years. NDevoto
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3:52pm Mon 31 Dec 12

ruby newbie says...

man thats ugly!
man thats ugly! ruby newbie
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4:56pm Mon 31 Dec 12

leytonoldboy2 says...

I agree with Rubie - it looks nasty.
I agree with Rubie - it looks nasty. leytonoldboy2
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7:40pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

is this the time that the Bad News is buried over Christmas?

is this the Death Knell sounding before Midnight for the Granada?

Have the Church won their Appeal to the Planning Inspectorate?

Were all the Darleks and Power Rangers protests with Kids Protests in vain?

Where is Baldrick and Mick jaggar when you need them? And the bloke with deadpan voice and long hair (so called comedian?)

Where is Bobby Crush and Bootsy and Snudge?

Cinema and Arcade development looks exciting.

I always doubted that they would CPO the Granada so a few people could have a private drinking bar there and watch the Zumba from Outa Space Films and carry ON up The Khybers Passing Films at taxpayers expenses.
is this the time that the Bad News is buried over Christmas? is this the Death Knell sounding before Midnight for the Granada? Have the Church won their Appeal to the Planning Inspectorate? Were all the Darleks and Power Rangers protests with Kids Protests in vain? Where is Baldrick and Mick jaggar when you need them? And the bloke with deadpan voice and long hair (so called comedian?) Where is Bobby Crush and Bootsy and Snudge? Cinema and Arcade development looks exciting. I always doubted that they would CPO the Granada so a few people could have a private drinking bar there and watch the Zumba from Outa Space Films and carry ON up The Khybers Passing Films at taxpayers expenses. Cornbeefur
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7:53pm Mon 31 Dec 12

malpasc says...

I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.
I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village. malpasc
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7:57pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

malpasc wrote:
I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.
No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair
[quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair Cornbeefur
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10:20pm Mon 31 Dec 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
malpasc wrote:
I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.
No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair
Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere?

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/10
129724.Disabled_man_
pleas_for_his_dog_to
_be_returned/?ref=mc
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair[/p][/quote]Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere? http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 129724.Disabled_man_ pleas_for_his_dog_to _be_returned/?ref=mc E17_er
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1:13am Tue 1 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

E17_er wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
malpasc wrote:
I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.
No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair
Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere?

http://www.guardian-

series.co.uk/news/10

129724.Disabled_man_

pleas_for_his_dog_to

_be_returned/?ref=mc
Hahahahaha!

Poor ol E17er... Posting New Years Eve just before Midnight.

Hasn't anyone invited you to a party?

Come on down to the
Marylebone Hotel, I will buy you a beer for New Year!

Will leave a couple under your name behind bar!

Happy New Year!
[quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair[/p][/quote]Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere? http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 129724.Disabled_man_ pleas_for_his_dog_to _be_returned/?ref=mc[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha! Poor ol E17er... Posting New Years Eve just before Midnight. Hasn't anyone invited you to a party? Come on down to the Marylebone Hotel, I will buy you a beer for New Year! Will leave a couple under your name behind bar! Happy New Year! Cornbeefur
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7:53am Tue 1 Jan 13

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
E17_er wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
malpasc wrote:
I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.
No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair
Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere?

http://www.guardian-


series.co.uk/news/10


129724.Disabled_man_


pleas_for_his_dog_to


_be_returned/?ref=mc
Hahahahaha!

Poor ol E17er... Posting New Years Eve just before Midnight.

Hasn't anyone invited you to a party?

Come on down to the
Marylebone Hotel, I will buy you a beer for New Year!

Will leave a couple under your name behind bar!

Happy New Year!
Or nearly 11 hours after midnight when you're staying with family in Oz as I currently am.

What's your excuse for posting at 1:13 am? What a sad little window into your life....
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: I think there should be conditions on the type of food outlets allowed there. IE. Absolutely no more cheap chicken/kebab takeaways. Not everyone in Walthamstow wants everything they eat to be served in a polystyrene box. At least make it a decent chain restaurant only affair. By decent I mean not McDonalds, Subway, Nandos etc. Maybe something like Ask, Prezzo, The Real Greek etc. Better than that what about some classy independent eateries? Not everything "nice" need be confined to Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]No nothing wrong with type of food described, just wear Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles and you could be in Walthamstow Village and the Polystyrene Box will appear a a Peruvian Shepherds Lunchbox, knitted out of Goat Hair[/p][/quote]Don't you have some disabled dog owners to insult somewhere? http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 129724.Disabled_man_ pleas_for_his_dog_to _be_returned/?ref=mc[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha! Poor ol E17er... Posting New Years Eve just before Midnight. Hasn't anyone invited you to a party? Come on down to the Marylebone Hotel, I will buy you a beer for New Year! Will leave a couple under your name behind bar! Happy New Year![/p][/quote]Or nearly 11 hours after midnight when you're staying with family in Oz as I currently am. What's your excuse for posting at 1:13 am? What a sad little window into your life.... E17_er
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9:13am Tue 1 Jan 13

Domino50 says...

Another council approved eyesore to match the one built in the middle of High Road Leyton. The residents who voiced concern over parking due to the new build not having provision for off street parking, will soon see how right they are.
Another council approved eyesore to match the one built in the middle of High Road Leyton. The residents who voiced concern over parking due to the new build not having provision for off street parking, will soon see how right they are. Domino50
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10:15am Tue 1 Jan 13

myopinioncounts says...

The artists impression doesn't show all the satellite dishes that soon appear on any housing scheme. It would be nice if the food outlets included some NON halal for those who do not wish to eat ritually killed meat.
The artists impression doesn't show all the satellite dishes that soon appear on any housing scheme. It would be nice if the food outlets included some NON halal for those who do not wish to eat ritually killed meat. myopinioncounts
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11:32am Tue 1 Jan 13

kitkat510 says...

Lets hope it's more popular than the Highams Park development. Hardly any of the units for shops have been sold it seems, and the ones that have remain empty.
Lets hope it's more popular than the Highams Park development. Hardly any of the units for shops have been sold it seems, and the ones that have remain empty. kitkat510
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11:42am Tue 1 Jan 13

chingford lad says...

What a disgusting looking eyesore! How long will this building stand before major exterior renovation work is required? I can only think its `cheap & cheerless`. The earlier bomb site was an exciting place for us kids & felt sorry when it went.
If this was in Enfield, loughton, Epping, Chigwell or Woodford, brick would be used with gables, tiles etc, nice, pleasing, but then this Council never did seem to aspire to much.
What a disgusting looking eyesore! How long will this building stand before major exterior renovation work is required? I can only think its `cheap & cheerless`. The earlier bomb site was an exciting place for us kids & felt sorry when it went. If this was in Enfield, loughton, Epping, Chigwell or Woodford, brick would be used with gables, tiles etc, nice, pleasing, but then this Council never did seem to aspire to much. chingford lad
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11:49am Tue 1 Jan 13

leytonoldboy2 says...

It is horrible. I like modern buildings and, personally, I like Oriana house, aesthetically, notwithstanding parking issues. But this just looks like an oversized piece of kitchen equipment. Very ugly indeed.
It is horrible. I like modern buildings and, personally, I like Oriana house, aesthetically, notwithstanding parking issues. But this just looks like an oversized piece of kitchen equipment. Very ugly indeed. leytonoldboy2
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12:34pm Tue 1 Jan 13

bishbosh says...

christ!!!..i looks as though its about to take off...must agree with other comments...why not have sympathy with the built environment and use traditional materials. It looks what it is a cheap way
of creating something "modern"
christ!!!..i looks as though its about to take off...must agree with other comments...why not have sympathy with the built environment and use traditional materials. It looks what it is a cheap way of creating something "modern" bishbosh
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2:29pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Whatever it looks like, it is will still be better than what is there now which is nothing.

Also, people want something done with the Granada-anything!
Whatever it looks like, it is will still be better than what is there now which is nothing. Also, people want something done with the Granada-anything! Cornbeefur
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2:48pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Whatever it looks like, it is will still be better than what is there now which is nothing.

Also, people want something done with the Granada-anything!
Cracking logic there as always. Something hideous and ugly is better than nothing.

Bizarre irrelevant Granada comments as usual. Try to stay on topic and try and leave out insults to the needy and less able members of our community.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Whatever it looks like, it is will still be better than what is there now which is nothing. Also, people want something done with the Granada-anything![/p][/quote]Cracking logic there as always. Something hideous and ugly is better than nothing. Bizarre irrelevant Granada comments as usual. Try to stay on topic and try and leave out insults to the needy and less able members of our community. Alan_1976
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6:13pm Tue 1 Jan 13

SXH says...

This appears to be the new look of WF now does not fit in with other buildings surrounding this, once there built you'll have tenants hanging their washing off the balconies, great view for everyone.
This appears to be the new look of WF now does not fit in with other buildings surrounding this, once there built you'll have tenants hanging their washing off the balconies, great view for everyone. SXH
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7:58pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Techno3 says...

That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library.

The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets.
That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library. The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets. Techno3
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8:00pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Techno3 wrote:
That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library.

The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets.
Agreed. Nothing more depressing looking than stained concrete
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library. The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Nothing more depressing looking than stained concrete Alan_1976
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9:00pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Ian RS2000 says...

Looks good get it built
Looks good get it built Ian RS2000
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9:04pm Tue 1 Jan 13

SXH says...

Techno3 wrote:
That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library. The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets.
I also agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: That kind of cladding look is already dated, and will be even more of an anacronism once it gets a bit of wear and tear. I think they would do better to go for a brick exterior which is in sympathy with the surrounding buildings like the library. The concrete balconies look brutal (and this is supposed to be an artist trying to make the project look as good as possible). They will be particularly horrid once they have had dirty water running down them and they get that smeared, mouldering look that concrete on the exterior of these sorts of buildings usually gets.[/p][/quote]I also agree with you. SXH
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1:16am Wed 2 Jan 13

HottRedMan says...

This building looks ugly, and ghettofied like that on the corner of Walthamstow Central that is currently being built.
Why should they have to pay the council towards healthcare, education etc when the robbing scoundrels would be taking this money also of so called residents when they move into these houses in the form of council tax. Surely this should not be legal, it is virtually like a bribe.

I cannot see this being successful with people to move in, only with those that do not have cars. It is bad enough there is no parking, but to not be allowed to apply for any residents permits, its a joke.

Who would want to go there for a cinema, Walthamstow is a sh## hole, would rather go Westfield or Newham Showcase instead.
This building looks ugly, and ghettofied like that on the corner of Walthamstow Central that is currently being built. Why should they have to pay the council towards healthcare, education etc when the robbing scoundrels would be taking this money also of so called residents when they move into these houses in the form of council tax. Surely this should not be legal, it is virtually like a bribe. I cannot see this being successful with people to move in, only with those that do not have cars. It is bad enough there is no parking, but to not be allowed to apply for any residents permits, its a joke. Who would want to go there for a cinema, Walthamstow is a sh## hole, would rather go Westfield or Newham Showcase instead. HottRedMan
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10:37am Wed 2 Jan 13

SXH says...

There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking,
They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles.
i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals?
"The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits."
( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems.
There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking, They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles. i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals? "The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits." ( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems. SXH
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12:42pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Walthamster says...

I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace!

As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then.
I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace! As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then. Walthamster
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12:54pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Walthamster wrote:
I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace!

As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then.
What do you want there? A Gothic Edifice?
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace! As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then.[/p][/quote]What do you want there? A Gothic Edifice? Cornbeefur
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1:10pm Wed 2 Jan 13

leytonoldboy2 says...

We want something attractive - this is going to look like a beaten up old fridge freezer in a couple of years.
We want something attractive - this is going to look like a beaten up old fridge freezer in a couple of years. leytonoldboy2
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1:11pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture.
If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision.
Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting?
The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture. If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision. Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting? Tom Thumb
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1:11pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture.
If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision.
Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting?
The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture. If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision. Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting? Tom Thumb
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1:16pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace!

As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then.
What do you want there? A Gothic Edifice?
No, not a gothic edifice, but a brick one would be good, respecting the surrounding properties and giving a warmer visual welcome to the town centre. Concretem if that's what it's going to be, doesn't weather well.

I don't get the point of balconies on the street side of the properties. Who would want to sit out overlooking one of the busiest streets in the borough? Are they going to ban clothes lines?

I'm also puzzled about the reference to different heights. There is nothing in the artist's impression to indicate six storeys.

The report says that 50 properties will be affordable. Does that mean the other 120 will be expensive? Or does it mean they will be social housing, since Islington and Shoreditch is a housing association?

The sums suggested for the Section 106 order are absurd. £312,000 will be a drop in the ocean in terms of proving extra education places in our already overcrowded schools which are struggling to provide for the exisiting population of children. Even a small annex to a school will cost at least £1m.

This is a key site in the borough but, as usua,l our council demonstrates its lack of aspiration and vision.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: I'm stunned. This looks ugly and dispiriting even in the artist's impression, which usually contrives to make any planned developments look like a palace! As I remember from the 1990s, the excuse for knocking down the shopping arcade was that it was wasn't good enough to be the centrepiece of Walthamstow. We were going to have a wonderful new library, arts centre, blah blah blah. How low our hopes have sunk since then.[/p][/quote]What do you want there? A Gothic Edifice?[/p][/quote]No, not a gothic edifice, but a brick one would be good, respecting the surrounding properties and giving a warmer visual welcome to the town centre. Concretem if that's what it's going to be, doesn't weather well. I don't get the point of balconies on the street side of the properties. Who would want to sit out overlooking one of the busiest streets in the borough? Are they going to ban clothes lines? I'm also puzzled about the reference to different heights. There is nothing in the artist's impression to indicate six storeys. The report says that 50 properties will be affordable. Does that mean the other 120 will be expensive? Or does it mean they will be social housing, since Islington and Shoreditch is a housing association? The sums suggested for the Section 106 order are absurd. £312,000 will be a drop in the ocean in terms of proving extra education places in our already overcrowded schools which are struggling to provide for the exisiting population of children. Even a small annex to a school will cost at least £1m. This is a key site in the borough but, as usua,l our council demonstrates its lack of aspiration and vision. Helen, Walthamstow
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1:19pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Sorry, I meant to say "the other 70" in the fourth paragraph.
Sorry, I meant to say "the other 70" in the fourth paragraph. Helen, Walthamstow
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2:23pm Wed 2 Jan 13

RichieA70 says...

SXH wrote:
There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking,
They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles.
i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals?
"The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits."
( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems.
The cinema will be within walking distance of thousands of homes and close to a major public transport hub. Your comment makes it sounds like an out of down development miles from anywhere. I expect the 3am closing time is just to incorporate a licence for the occasional special late shows and not confirmation of closing at 3am every night!
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking, They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles. i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals? "The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits." ( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems.[/p][/quote]The cinema will be within walking distance of thousands of homes and close to a major public transport hub. Your comment makes it sounds like an out of down development miles from anywhere. I expect the 3am closing time is just to incorporate a licence for the occasional special late shows and not confirmation of closing at 3am every night! RichieA70
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2:26pm Wed 2 Jan 13

leytonoldboy2 says...

The block to the left seems to have one more storey than the others.
Are we too late to do anything about the design?
The block to the left seems to have one more storey than the others. Are we too late to do anything about the design? leytonoldboy2
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3:32pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Walthamster says...

Tom Thumb wrote:
The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture.
If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision.
Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting?
Of course -- the council is thinking ahead to cope with a scary future. Global warming, oil running out. Tax-dodging multinationals will be the only companies still in business. No wonder the building looks like a heavily armed bunker!
[quote][p][bold]Tom Thumb[/bold] wrote: The good thing about this development is that it comes with a tropical micro-climate and also requires the total pedestrianization of Hoe Street, as can be seen from the complete absence of cars in the picture. If you look at the full-size picture it shows a Starbucks next to the cinema. A tax-dodging American corporate chain fits in perfectly with the Robbins vision. Perhaps Starbucks could sponsor the next multi-million-pound sub-contracted council partnership, with a special prize for the most creative accounting?[/p][/quote]Of course -- the council is thinking ahead to cope with a scary future. Global warming, oil running out. Tax-dodging multinationals will be the only companies still in business. No wonder the building looks like a heavily armed bunker! Walthamster
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3:42pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Bernard 87 says...

I always aim to be honest on here...personally I think Walthamstow has very little going for it anymore. The council has killed off all that was good about the place. The High Street looks desolate, Hoe Street is a sight for sore eyes and I just don't think that the arcade site will change the look of Walthamstow. Personally I don't think Walthamstow Village is great either, it just looks better than the rest of the town and has somehow been branded 'posh'. I also do not think placing flats so close to a town centre will attract anyone other than transient workers who will have little to do with the community.

On a brighter note its another step into turning Waltham Forest into a super solid Labour outpost.

"Are we too late to do anything about the design?”

I don't think the council would care even if you did have a suitable suggestion. Lets not forget that they think that a tower block hotel is a cracking 'opportunity' for Walthamstow after all.
I always aim to be honest on here...personally I think Walthamstow has very little going for it anymore. The council has killed off all that was good about the place. The High Street looks desolate, Hoe Street is a sight for sore eyes and I just don't think that the arcade site will change the look of Walthamstow. Personally I don't think Walthamstow Village is great either, it just looks better than the rest of the town and has somehow been branded 'posh'. I also do not think placing flats so close to a town centre will attract anyone other than transient workers who will have little to do with the community. On a brighter note its another step into turning Waltham Forest into a super solid Labour outpost. "Are we too late to do anything about the design?” I don't think the council would care even if you did have a suitable suggestion. Lets not forget that they think that a tower block hotel is a cracking 'opportunity' for Walthamstow after all. Bernard 87
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10:52pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Domino50 says...

LBoWF the social housing borough of London, how many more can they fit in.
LBoWF the social housing borough of London, how many more can they fit in. Domino50
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12:12am Thu 3 Jan 13

SXH says...

Domino50 wrote:
LBoWF the social housing borough of London, how many more can they fit in.
As many as they can i think. more homes, more money, greed

They seem to reject some planning permissions for extentions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area, but what they build seems seems ok, this building is an eyesore, nothing attractive about it. balconies will be used for washing lines, like many others around the borough.
imigration is on the increase i think i read for the next 2 years, so WF will be allowing more in, people who have lived here all there lives, will not get re-housed, they should take priority
[quote][p][bold]Domino50[/bold] wrote: LBoWF the social housing borough of London, how many more can they fit in.[/p][/quote]As many as they can i think. more homes, more money, greed They seem to reject some planning permissions for extentions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area, but what they build seems seems ok, this building is an eyesore, nothing attractive about it. balconies will be used for washing lines, like many others around the borough. imigration is on the increase i think i read for the next 2 years, so WF will be allowing more in, people who have lived here all there lives, will not get re-housed, they should take priority SXH
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12:39am Thu 3 Jan 13

SXH says...

RichieA70 wrote:
SXH wrote: There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking, They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles. i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals? "The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits." ( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems.
The cinema will be within walking distance of thousands of homes and close to a major public transport hub. Your comment makes it sounds like an out of down development miles from anywhere. I expect the 3am closing time is just to incorporate a licence for the occasional special late shows and not confirmation of closing at 3am every night!
I referred to the Cinema's late night closing even at 1am, trains close at midnight, night buses are not that frequent, if people from other parts of the borough wish to see a movie there, it will be difficult as there will not be enough parking around that location.
[quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: There is a shortage of housing, this is the wrong location it is not a good location for those with families who own vehicles as there is no parking, They can only be sold to those who work and commute in to the city who do not own vehicles. i cannot see the Cinema being used as there are no parking facilities, its pointless the cinemas staying open till 3am if you cannot drive there and no trains through the night, night buses are a waste of time, so is the cinema just for the locals? "The development will not have any parking spaces and occupants will be banned from applying for Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) permits." ( This sounds like a punishment after everyone went against the Permanant CPZ) why not have underground parking like Selborne walk? for future residents, this will solve many problems.[/p][/quote]The cinema will be within walking distance of thousands of homes and close to a major public transport hub. Your comment makes it sounds like an out of down development miles from anywhere. I expect the 3am closing time is just to incorporate a licence for the occasional special late shows and not confirmation of closing at 3am every night![/p][/quote]I referred to the Cinema's late night closing even at 1am, trains close at midnight, night buses are not that frequent, if people from other parts of the borough wish to see a movie there, it will be difficult as there will not be enough parking around that location. SXH
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8:53am Thu 3 Jan 13

leytonoldboy2 says...

'They seem to reject some planning permissions for extensions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area'.

Oh! - I've heard this happens in Chris Robbins' street - do you mean it happens, even in areas he doesn't live in?
'They seem to reject some planning permissions for extensions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area'. Oh! - I've heard this happens in Chris Robbins' street - do you mean it happens, even in areas he doesn't live in? leytonoldboy2
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11:16am Thu 3 Jan 13

SXH says...

leytonoldboy2 wrote:
'They seem to reject some planning permissions for extensions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area'. Oh! - I've heard this happens in Chris Robbins' street - do you mean it happens, even in areas he doesn't live in?
haha not sure where he lives, just read this artical printed in the Gaurdian on the 2nd 2013
http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/10
136548.New_houses_bi
d_rejected/

"New home bid in Wyatts Lane, Walthamstow, rejected"

A BID to demolish a bungalow and build two three-bedroom houses in its place has been rejected.

Developer Ronald Deverux applied for permission to build the two storey structures in Wyatts Lane, Walthamstow.

But officers from Waltham Forest Council refused the plans under delegated powers.

They said the proposed buildings would be out of character with the surrounding area and that natural light in the properties was likely to be blocked by a protected tree in a garden next to them
( i have seen others rejected for same reason,)
so i cannot see how the picture above is within character of surrounding area
[quote][p][bold]leytonoldboy2[/bold] wrote: 'They seem to reject some planning permissions for extensions by saying they do not fit in with surrounding area'. Oh! - I've heard this happens in Chris Robbins' street - do you mean it happens, even in areas he doesn't live in?[/p][/quote]haha not sure where he lives, just read this artical printed in the Gaurdian on the 2nd 2013 http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 136548.New_houses_bi d_rejected/ "New home bid in Wyatts Lane, Walthamstow, rejected" A BID to demolish a bungalow and build two three-bedroom houses in its place has been rejected. Developer Ronald Deverux applied for permission to build the two storey structures in Wyatts Lane, Walthamstow. But officers from Waltham Forest Council refused the plans under delegated powers. They said the proposed buildings would be out of character with the surrounding area and that natural light in the properties was likely to be blocked by a protected tree in a garden next to them ( i have seen others rejected for same reason,) so i cannot see how the picture above is within character of surrounding area SXH
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8:22pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Call me Earl says...

It`s amazing that artists impressions are always shown to be much smaller then the actual development. So the site could eventially be "six" stories high. The Queens Road Mosque looked tiny on the artists impression compaired to the ugly monstrosity that was built. As for the Edinburgh Primary School and Adult Education Centre, it looks as if the architect was a former soviet prison designer.
It`s amazing that artists impressions are always shown to be much smaller then the actual development. So the site could eventially be "six" stories high. The Queens Road Mosque looked tiny on the artists impression compaired to the ugly monstrosity that was built. As for the Edinburgh Primary School and Adult Education Centre, it looks as if the architect was a former soviet prison designer. Call me Earl
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