Waltham Forest set to lose three fire engines in cuts

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Waltham Forest set to lose three fire engines in cuts Waltham Forest set to lose three fire engines in cuts

The London Fire Brigade has announced it intends to axe three of Waltham Forest's fire engines as part of proposed cuts.

The news today confirms the accuracy of a leaked memo obtained by the Fire Brigade Union (FBU) in October, which claimed that bosses wanted to get rid of one engine at Leyton, Leytonstone and Chingford stations. 

All the stations currently haves two engines each.

The brigade says it must make £28.8million worth of savings in two years and insist that the average response time of the first two engines dispatched to a fire will not be affected by a reduction in numbers.

It says the number of incidents it is called to has dropped by nearly a third in ten years.

Leyton MP John Cryer previously described the proposals as "reckless in the extreme".

Ron Dobson, Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade, said in a statement: “Like virtually every other public service, the Brigade needs to make savings.

"In the last four years, we have cut £52m without reducing frontline services.

"Additional savings cannot be found without making significant changes to how we keep London safe.

"In the last decade, demand for the Brigade’s service has changed dramatically and it’s time to reflect that in how our fire stations, engines and staff are organised."

He added: "I have every intention of maintaining our current response time targets for first and second fire engines.

"With all the work we do to prevent fires happening, and response times that are still amongst the best in the country, I am confident these savings can be made while keeping London safe.”

The plans include the closure of 12 fire stations elsewhere in London. The closest branch to Waltham Forest which could shut is in Bow.

Members of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority will discuss the plans on Monday January 21.

A final decision is expected to be made aby the organisation in June following a public consultation. Visit http://www.london.gov.uk/LFEPA/mgAi.aspx?ID=1016#mgDocuments for more information.

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2:59pm Fri 11 Jan 13

tjm01 says...

It will get to the stage where instead of dialing 999 we will have to dial 118 118 and take a chance

On a serious note our emergency services are slowly being deminished, with the closure of Police stns and now a reduction in Fire tenders one has to wonder where this will all end, I sincerly hope The London Fire Brigade gives careful consideration to every other possible option before removing from service any of the Current Fire Tenders
It will get to the stage where instead of dialing 999 we will have to dial 118 118 and take a chance On a serious note our emergency services are slowly being deminished, with the closure of Police stns and now a reduction in Fire tenders one has to wonder where this will all end, I sincerly hope The London Fire Brigade gives careful consideration to every other possible option before removing from service any of the Current Fire Tenders tjm01
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3:05pm Fri 11 Jan 13

SXH says...

tjm01 wrote:
It will get to the stage where instead of dialing 999 we will have to dial 118 118 and take a chance On a serious note our emergency services are slowly being deminished, with the closure of Police stns and now a reduction in Fire tenders one has to wonder where this will all end, I sincerly hope The London Fire Brigade gives careful consideration to every other possible option before removing from service any of the Current Fire Tenders
Totally agree, what's next, how many more cuts.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: It will get to the stage where instead of dialing 999 we will have to dial 118 118 and take a chance On a serious note our emergency services are slowly being deminished, with the closure of Police stns and now a reduction in Fire tenders one has to wonder where this will all end, I sincerly hope The London Fire Brigade gives careful consideration to every other possible option before removing from service any of the Current Fire Tenders[/p][/quote]Totally agree, what's next, how many more cuts. SXH
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3:18pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Wizza_b says...

Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK.
Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK. Wizza_b
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3:32pm Fri 11 Jan 13

sunn says...

The Tories have blood on their hands. The ambulance service in London is losing 900 staff to cuts.
The Tories have blood on their hands. The ambulance service in London is losing 900 staff to cuts. sunn
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6:03pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

sunn wrote:
The Tories have blood on their hands. The ambulance service in London is losing 900 staff to cuts.
Coalition not just Tories and what did Labour do to help in Bliar years apart from burdening the NHS with casualties from his WMD War?
[quote][p][bold]sunn[/bold] wrote: The Tories have blood on their hands. The ambulance service in London is losing 900 staff to cuts.[/p][/quote]Coalition not just Tories and what did Labour do to help in Bliar years apart from burdening the NHS with casualties from his WMD War? Cornbeefur
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6:07pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

Haven't you people ever been to the movies?

Simply fill a bucket with water and then form an orderly chain and pass it to the next person. The person at the end throws the water on the fire.

Surely the people of this borough don't require a police or fire service. Pull yourselves together and learn the meaning of self reliance.

Cuts of this sort are absolutely essential if bankers are to keep their bonuses.

Also, who could possibly object to a 45% pay rise for our MPs?
Haven't you people ever been to the movies? Simply fill a bucket with water and then form an orderly chain and pass it to the next person. The person at the end throws the water on the fire. Surely the people of this borough don't require a police or fire service. Pull yourselves together and learn the meaning of self reliance. Cuts of this sort are absolutely essential if bankers are to keep their bonuses. Also, who could possibly object to a 45% pay rise for our MPs? Tom Thumb
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11:56pm Fri 11 Jan 13

SXH says...

Tom Thumb wrote:
Haven't you people ever been to the movies? Simply fill a bucket with water and then form an orderly chain and pass it to the next person. The person at the end throws the water on the fire. Surely the people of this borough don't require a police or fire service. Pull yourselves together and learn the meaning of self reliance. Cuts of this sort are absolutely essential if bankers are to keep their bonuses. Also, who could possibly object to a 45% pay rise for our MPs?
I agree Tom Thumb soon we'll all be in the movies with all these cuts.

"Fire stations in Redbridge are no longer threatened with closure as the London Fire Brigade looks to save £28.8million over the next two years."

if they can save stations why are we loosing engines, we pay for emergancy services in our tax's
[quote][p][bold]Tom Thumb[/bold] wrote: Haven't you people ever been to the movies? Simply fill a bucket with water and then form an orderly chain and pass it to the next person. The person at the end throws the water on the fire. Surely the people of this borough don't require a police or fire service. Pull yourselves together and learn the meaning of self reliance. Cuts of this sort are absolutely essential if bankers are to keep their bonuses. Also, who could possibly object to a 45% pay rise for our MPs?[/p][/quote]I agree Tom Thumb soon we'll all be in the movies with all these cuts. "Fire stations in Redbridge are no longer threatened with closure as the London Fire Brigade looks to save £28.8million over the next two years." if they can save stations why are we loosing engines, we pay for emergancy services in our tax's SXH
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1:02am Sat 12 Jan 13

ColinOrient says...

Never thought I'd see the day: that odd situation involving the fire station minus it's fire engines. Meanwhile Cameron's insisting on more foreign aid yet we cannot even afford to maintain basic public services. Ridiculous.
Never thought I'd see the day: that odd situation involving the fire station minus it's fire engines. Meanwhile Cameron's insisting on more foreign aid yet we cannot even afford to maintain basic public services. Ridiculous. ColinOrient
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2:32am Sat 12 Jan 13

westside_o says...

Wizza_b wrote:
Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK.
Totally agree !!
The MOD spend thousands of pounds on overpriced or what will be out of date by the time of delivery items!
Come on England wake up n smell the coffee.
[quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK.[/p][/quote]Totally agree !! The MOD spend thousands of pounds on overpriced or what will be out of date by the time of delivery items! Come on England wake up n smell the coffee. westside_o
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7:31am Sat 12 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

westside_o wrote:
Wizza_b wrote:
Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK.
Totally agree !!
The MOD spend thousands of pounds on overpriced or what will be out of date by the time of delivery items!
Come on England wake up n smell the coffee.
and of course lets not forget the amount of false expenses, on top of the expenses that ARE allowed (in Margaret Moran's case alone, it is £50,000 over and above whatever amount she claimed legitimately). Plus the cost of counselling her for two years (apparently the punishment!) and probably including chaufeurring her to and from Harley Street. It does make me so angry!! If all of the illegal expenses were recovered (that is still allowing them the privilege of expenses over and above a very healthy income), that would help. grrrrr.
[quote][p][bold]westside_o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: Extremely dangerous to make cuts when it comes to emergency services. Why not make cuts to the MOD, this would save lives in itself. Then they could keep things running properly which serve us tax payers here in the UK.[/p][/quote]Totally agree !! The MOD spend thousands of pounds on overpriced or what will be out of date by the time of delivery items! Come on England wake up n smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]and of course lets not forget the amount of false expenses, on top of the expenses that ARE allowed (in Margaret Moran's case alone, it is £50,000 over and above whatever amount she claimed legitimately). Plus the cost of counselling her for two years (apparently the punishment!) and probably including chaufeurring her to and from Harley Street. It does make me so angry!! If all of the illegal expenses were recovered (that is still allowing them the privilege of expenses over and above a very healthy income), that would help. grrrrr. Isaythat
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10:33am Sat 12 Jan 13

ruby newbie says...

yet this in the same borough that wants to build a thousand new homes soon.maybe the authorities should be campaigning to keep them open....pathetic.
yet this in the same borough that wants to build a thousand new homes soon.maybe the authorities should be campaigning to keep them open....pathetic. ruby newbie
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11:37am Sat 12 Jan 13

SXH says...

I agree with all above 4 comments, its time for action.
I agree with all above 4 comments, its time for action. SXH
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12:30pm Sat 12 Jan 13

peejay33950 says...

What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late [Incidently the Polititians are not cutting back
What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late [Incidently the Polititians are not cutting back peejay33950
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4:58pm Sat 12 Jan 13

SXH says...

peejay33950 wrote:
What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late
Fully agree
[quote][p][bold]peejay33950[/bold] wrote: What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late [Incidently the Polititians are not cutting back[/p][/quote]Fully agree SXH
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2:04am Sun 13 Jan 13

ColinOrient says...

SXH wrote:
peejay33950 wrote:
What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late
Fully agree
It seems there's a lot more sense coming from the good people writing above than the idiots paid to run this country. Why don't we form a decent political party and give the country back to the long-suffering decent souls like us, with less rights for all the thieves, burglars and various forms of lowlife.
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peejay33950[/bold] wrote: What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late [Incidently the Polititians are not cutting back[/p][/quote]Fully agree[/p][/quote]It seems there's a lot more sense coming from the good people writing above than the idiots paid to run this country. Why don't we form a decent political party and give the country back to the long-suffering decent souls like us, with less rights for all the thieves, burglars and various forms of lowlife. ColinOrient
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11:04am Sun 13 Jan 13

SXH says...

ColinOrient wrote:
SXH wrote:
peejay33950 wrote: What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late
Fully agree
It seems there's a lot more sense coming from the good people writing above than the idiots paid to run this country. Why don't we form a decent political party and give the country back to the long-suffering decent souls like us, with less rights for all the thieves, burglars and various forms of lowlife.
I can see this coming in the future, if the ones in power continue as they are.
[quote][p][bold]ColinOrient[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peejay33950[/bold] wrote: What a mess they are making of our once great country Hospital closures Police Station closures ,Fire Station closures etc etc etc and yet will still give millions in foreign aid its us all needs the aid .For gods sake some one save us before its too late [Incidently the Polititians are not cutting back[/p][/quote]Fully agree[/p][/quote]It seems there's a lot more sense coming from the good people writing above than the idiots paid to run this country. Why don't we form a decent political party and give the country back to the long-suffering decent souls like us, with less rights for all the thieves, burglars and various forms of lowlife.[/p][/quote]I can see this coming in the future, if the ones in power continue as they are. SXH
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6:42pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Walthamster says...

I agree, especially about increasing the population while reducing the infrastructure. Keep cramming more people in, replace workplaces and amenities with cramped flats, cut emergency services ... recipe for anything except disaster?
I agree, especially about increasing the population while reducing the infrastructure. Keep cramming more people in, replace workplaces and amenities with cramped flats, cut emergency services ... recipe for anything except disaster? Walthamster
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