£80 fines for those caught urinating and spitting in Waltham Forest

People caught urinating or spitting in the street could now face an £80 on-the-spot fine.

Waltham Forest Council has said its enforcement officers are to start to actively issuing Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for the misdemeanours in same way they sometimes do for littering.

It comes after the council held a number of focus group events with residents last year on how to improve the borough.

Cllr Clyde Loakes, cabinet member for environment, said in a statement: "In the same way as in the past people would not have thought twice about throwing a cigarette butt on the pavement, or allowing their dog to leave a mess on a pathway, so I think we need to make spitting and urinating in the street completely taboo too."

 

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1:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Dave mp says...

And about time too, the disgusting act of spitting is especially true at bus stops. To think you are treading on this and getting it on your carpets at home, where maybe young children play.
And about time too, the disgusting act of spitting is especially true at bus stops. To think you are treading on this and getting it on your carpets at home, where maybe young children play. Dave mp
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1:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

I would like to see Loakes try and issue a ticket to the type of feckless individual who thinks it is ok to urinate and spit openly. These people have no shame and are unlikely to pay any fine.

I actually have some sympathy with people who find that they need to spit or urinate but it is not what you do, it is the way you do it. One can find somewhere private if they must but around the Bakers Arms I often see men openly urinating and spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side.

It is a continental trait and acceptable in many parts of the world I am informed.
I would like to see Loakes try and issue a ticket to the type of feckless individual who thinks it is ok to urinate and spit openly. These people have no shame and are unlikely to pay any fine. I actually have some sympathy with people who find that they need to spit or urinate but it is not what you do, it is the way you do it. One can find somewhere private if they must but around the Bakers Arms I often see men openly urinating and spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side. It is a continental trait and acceptable in many parts of the world I am informed. Cornbeefur
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2:01pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mdj says...

No mention of chewing gum, strangely.

If public urination is increasing, has Cllr Loakes possibly drawn any connection with his punitive zeal to close public lavatories?
No mention of chewing gum, strangely. If public urination is increasing, has Cllr Loakes possibly drawn any connection with his punitive zeal to close public lavatories? mdj
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2:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

timplum says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
I would like to see Loakes try and issue a ticket to the type of feckless individual who thinks it is ok to urinate and spit openly. These people have no shame and are unlikely to pay any fine.

I actually have some sympathy with people who find that they need to spit or urinate but it is not what you do, it is the way you do it. One can find somewhere private if they must but around the Bakers Arms I often see men openly urinating and spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side.

It is a continental trait and acceptable in many parts of the world I am informed.
".......spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side."

Not to mention the hacking (I think it's called) that precedes the spit; truly disgusting. I know it's a Chinese "tradition," but to hear a women doing it at the breakfast table when I was on holiday in the far east some years back truly put me off my food!

Sadly I imagine the "threat" of an £80 fine is all talk, will make very little if any difference and rarely be enforced.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: I would like to see Loakes try and issue a ticket to the type of feckless individual who thinks it is ok to urinate and spit openly. These people have no shame and are unlikely to pay any fine. I actually have some sympathy with people who find that they need to spit or urinate but it is not what you do, it is the way you do it. One can find somewhere private if they must but around the Bakers Arms I often see men openly urinating and spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side. It is a continental trait and acceptable in many parts of the world I am informed.[/p][/quote]".......spitting or holding one side of their nose whilst they force fluid out of the other side." Not to mention the hacking (I think it's called) that precedes the spit; truly disgusting. I know it's a Chinese "tradition," but to hear a women doing it at the breakfast table when I was on holiday in the far east some years back truly put me off my food! Sadly I imagine the "threat" of an £80 fine is all talk, will make very little if any difference and rarely be enforced. timplum
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3:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

leyton_man says...

Good look with that Loaksy, not only are you battling against those who will do it regardless, those who do it culturally but also all those on benefits that the council are courting by building all the pop up ghettos who won't have a spare eighty quid if they get caught.
More like a nice cosy story to make him seem like he's actually doing something to clean up the borough.
Good look with that Loaksy, not only are you battling against those who will do it regardless, those who do it culturally but also all those on benefits that the council are courting by building all the pop up ghettos who won't have a spare eighty quid if they get caught. More like a nice cosy story to make him seem like he's actually doing something to clean up the borough. leyton_man
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3:35pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jef costello says...

"In the same way as in the past people would not have thought twice about throwing a cigarette butt on the pavement,"

Eh? What mythical era of 'the past' is this then?
"In the same way as in the past people would not have thought twice about throwing a cigarette butt on the pavement," Eh? What mythical era of 'the past' is this then? jef costello
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4:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

driftingcowboy says...

Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so.
If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters?
Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it. driftingcowboy
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4:23pm Fri 8 Feb 13

driftingcowboy says...

Incidentally, to all those bloggers here who blame 'other cultures', I'm afraid the natives are quite good at spitting and urinating in public as well - in fact, I'd go so far as to say that they are probably better at it!
Incidentally, to all those bloggers here who blame 'other cultures', I'm afraid the natives are quite good at spitting and urinating in public as well - in fact, I'd go so far as to say that they are probably better at it! driftingcowboy
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5:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

tillytrotter says...

About time too I went for an interview and bought up the subject of Spitting on the pavement or road and now 4 years later HOORAY BLOODY HOORAY. I have had more than 1 argument re this disgusting habit, people tread in this and take it into their homes no wonder germs are spreading. BE CONSIDERATE FOR OUR PAVEMENTS PLEASE whatever culture you are. There was a fine when I was a kid and grew up in this borough why not now it was £5.00 then I say £100 and put toward the NHS for disease spredding.
About time too I went for an interview and bought up the subject of Spitting on the pavement or road and now 4 years later HOORAY BLOODY HOORAY. I have had more than 1 argument re this disgusting habit, people tread in this and take it into their homes no wonder germs are spreading. BE CONSIDERATE FOR OUR PAVEMENTS PLEASE whatever culture you are. There was a fine when I was a kid and grew up in this borough why not now it was £5.00 then I say £100 and put toward the NHS for disease spredding. tillytrotter
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5:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

tillytrotter says...

About time too I went for an interview and bought up the subject of Spitting on the pavement or road and now 4 years later HOORAY BLOODY HOORAY. I have had more than 1 argument re this disgusting habit, people tread in this and take it into their homes no wonder germs are spreading. BE CONSIDERATE FOR OUR PAVEMENTS PLEASE whatever culture you are. There was a fine when I was a kid and grew up in this borough why not now it was £5.00 then I say £100 and put toward the NHS for disease spredding.
About time too I went for an interview and bought up the subject of Spitting on the pavement or road and now 4 years later HOORAY BLOODY HOORAY. I have had more than 1 argument re this disgusting habit, people tread in this and take it into their homes no wonder germs are spreading. BE CONSIDERATE FOR OUR PAVEMENTS PLEASE whatever culture you are. There was a fine when I was a kid and grew up in this borough why not now it was £5.00 then I say £100 and put toward the NHS for disease spredding. tillytrotter
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5:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

BruceStroganov says...

i witnessed a gent urinting up againt st marys church in the village this afternoon, i asked him if he would do that outside his home, i was then aggresively shouted out in a language i could not fathom.....good luck trying to enforce that!
i witnessed a gent urinting up againt st marys church in the village this afternoon, i asked him if he would do that outside his home, i was then aggresively shouted out in a language i could not fathom.....good luck trying to enforce that! BruceStroganov
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5:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

driftingcowboy wrote:
Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it.

Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where
Enforcement officers did not find them a problem?

This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.
[quote][p][bold]driftingcowboy[/bold] wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.[/p][/quote]So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough. SXH
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6:16pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

SXH wrote:
driftingcowboy wrote:
Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it.

Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where
Enforcement officers did not find them a problem?

This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.
You do not report untaxed cars to the Council.

Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas

Try DVLA
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driftingcowboy[/bold] wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.[/p][/quote]So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.[/p][/quote]You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA Cornbeefur
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7:56pm Fri 8 Feb 13

NDevoto says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
driftingcowboy wrote:
Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it.

Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where
Enforcement officers did not find them a problem?

This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.
You do not report untaxed cars to the Council.

Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas

Try DVLA
CORNBEEFUR WRONG AGAIN! Local Authorities have powers to remove untaxed vehicles From WFC Website:


Untaxed vehicles / nuisance vehicle
If you see a vehicle on your road which is not displaying an up-to-date tax disc,
ring Waltham Forest Direct on 8496 3000 and give them details of registration, colour, make and model. An inspector will then look at the vehicle within 24 hours (excluding weekends) and check details with the DVLA. If the DVLA give authorisation, the vehicle will be removed from the road immediately.

More than 1000 untaxed vehicles have been removed in the borough from April 2010 to February 2011.

http://www.walthamfo
rest.gov.uk/Pages/Se
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doned-reporting-and-
procedures.aspx?l1=1
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[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driftingcowboy[/bold] wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.[/p][/quote]So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.[/p][/quote]You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA[/p][/quote]CORNBEEFUR WRONG AGAIN! Local Authorities have powers to remove untaxed vehicles From WFC Website: Untaxed vehicles / nuisance vehicle If you see a vehicle on your road which is not displaying an up-to-date tax disc, ring Waltham Forest Direct on 8496 3000 and give them details of registration, colour, make and model. An inspector will then look at the vehicle within 24 hours (excluding weekends) and check details with the DVLA. If the DVLA give authorisation, the vehicle will be removed from the road immediately. More than 1000 untaxed vehicles have been removed in the borough from April 2010 to February 2011. http://www.walthamfo rest.gov.uk/Pages/Se rvices/vehicles-aban doned-reporting-and- procedures.aspx?l1=1 00011&l2=200001 NDevoto
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7:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
driftingcowboy wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.
You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA
The system has changed.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driftingcowboy[/bold] wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.[/p][/quote]So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.[/p][/quote]You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA[/p][/quote]The system has changed. SXH
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7:59pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

NDevoto wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
driftingcowboy wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.
So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.
You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA
CORNBEEFUR WRONG AGAIN! Local Authorities have powers to remove untaxed vehicles From WFC Website: Untaxed vehicles / nuisance vehicle If you see a vehicle on your road which is not displaying an up-to-date tax disc, ring Waltham Forest Direct on 8496 3000 and give them details of registration, colour, make and model. An inspector will then look at the vehicle within 24 hours (excluding weekends) and check details with the DVLA. If the DVLA give authorisation, the vehicle will be removed from the road immediately. More than 1000 untaxed vehicles have been removed in the borough from April 2010 to February 2011. http://www.walthamfo rest.gov.uk/Pages/Se rvices/vehicles-aban doned-reporting-and- procedures.aspx?l1=1 00011&l2=200001
He always thinks his right, even when his wrong.
[quote][p][bold]NDevoto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driftingcowboy[/bold] wrote: Erm, this is utter nonsense from the council! Why are they not gathering £80 fines from those who litter the streets every minute of the day? Enforcement officers (the handful employed) could stand at the market or outside several schools or bus stops every day and bring in a fortune in fines if they were motivated and minded to do so. If they don't currently fine litter louts, they're hardly going to now start fining spitters and urinaters? Its all the usual council bluster to announce a new initiative but there's no serious intent behind it.[/p][/quote]So True, i have been reporting these issue's for years and Loakes has done nothing about it. Also i have been reporting untaxed and damaged vehicles (accident damage) for over 4 months where Enforcement officers did not find them a problem? This is to impress us all, the council do not care about this borough.[/p][/quote]You do not report untaxed cars to the Council. Like going to the see your GP for a Bunch of bananas Try DVLA[/p][/quote]CORNBEEFUR WRONG AGAIN! Local Authorities have powers to remove untaxed vehicles From WFC Website: Untaxed vehicles / nuisance vehicle If you see a vehicle on your road which is not displaying an up-to-date tax disc, ring Waltham Forest Direct on 8496 3000 and give them details of registration, colour, make and model. An inspector will then look at the vehicle within 24 hours (excluding weekends) and check details with the DVLA. If the DVLA give authorisation, the vehicle will be removed from the road immediately. More than 1000 untaxed vehicles have been removed in the borough from April 2010 to February 2011. http://www.walthamfo rest.gov.uk/Pages/Se rvices/vehicles-aban doned-reporting-and- procedures.aspx?l1=1 00011&l2=200001[/p][/quote]He always thinks his right, even when his wrong. SXH
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10:23pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Ferdy54 says...

It always seems to be the foreign blokes who thinks its ok to spit.

Seems to be in their culture to do it and don't care who they offend.
It always seems to be the foreign blokes who thinks its ok to spit. Seems to be in their culture to do it and don't care who they offend. Ferdy54
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10:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

Ferdy54 wrote:
It always seems to be the foreign blokes who thinks its ok to spit. Seems to be in their culture to do it and don't care who they offend.
True i have seen the women also.
[quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: It always seems to be the foreign blokes who thinks its ok to spit. Seems to be in their culture to do it and don't care who they offend.[/p][/quote]True i have seen the women also. SXH
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12:35am Sat 9 Feb 13

VESTRYPARK says...

About time to!

This urinating in public does appear to be trait from overseas but it is not restricted to them. Only two days ago two gents totally drunk urinated approx 6pm on Leyton High Rd near a packed bus stop but yet no one said anything. When I said it was disgusting they simply carried on regardless. I think they should get a hefty fine and if from overseas be deported. Maybe a bit extreme but this behaviour is just so gross!!!!
About time to! This urinating in public does appear to be trait from overseas but it is not restricted to them. Only two days ago two gents totally drunk urinated approx 6pm on Leyton High Rd near a packed bus stop but yet no one said anything. When I said it was disgusting they simply carried on regardless. I think they should get a hefty fine and if from overseas be deported. Maybe a bit extreme but this behaviour is just so gross!!!! VESTRYPARK
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9:33am Sat 9 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

Islington have a similar policy for litter and cigarette butts and the scheme has brought in up to £187,000 in one year alone. Employing outside agencies (bouncers will do nicely) on a commission basis will get better results of enforcing this disgusting habit. It would be bearable if the spitting and one nostral blow could be confined to the football pitch, but on our streets is unacceptable.
Islington have a similar policy for litter and cigarette butts and the scheme has brought in up to £187,000 in one year alone. Employing outside agencies (bouncers will do nicely) on a commission basis will get better results of enforcing this disgusting habit. It would be bearable if the spitting and one nostral blow could be confined to the football pitch, but on our streets is unacceptable. Isaythat
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12:30pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Sam Hain says...

mdj wrote:
No mention of chewing gum, strangely.

If public urination is increasing, has Cllr Loakes possibly drawn any connection with his punitive zeal to close public lavatories?
Well said, mdj. What are people supposed to do when desperation strikes (although come to think of it, I've never seen a woman squatting in public - maybe it's a man thing)? Spitting does have cultural connotations but it has also become a 'trendy' thing for younsters to do, presumably wanting to emulate 'cool' footballers. One thing, though, that I thbk can be clearly lasi at the door of 'Johnny Foreigner' is the leaving of cans and bottles in the street, especially at the base of street trees, even close by litterbins. I never noticed this phenomenon before Eastern Europeans arrived en masse in the borough. Is this a cultural habit in Poland etc I wonder? I'm not being facetious or unkind, I'm genuinely interested. Does anyone know?
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: No mention of chewing gum, strangely. If public urination is increasing, has Cllr Loakes possibly drawn any connection with his punitive zeal to close public lavatories?[/p][/quote]Well said, mdj. What are people supposed to do when desperation strikes (although come to think of it, I've never seen a woman squatting in public - maybe it's a man thing)? Spitting does have cultural connotations but it has also become a 'trendy' thing for younsters to do, presumably wanting to emulate 'cool' footballers. One thing, though, that I thbk can be clearly lasi at the door of 'Johnny Foreigner' is the leaving of cans and bottles in the street, especially at the base of street trees, even close by litterbins. I never noticed this phenomenon before Eastern Europeans arrived en masse in the borough. Is this a cultural habit in Poland etc I wonder? I'm not being facetious or unkind, I'm genuinely interested. Does anyone know? Sam Hain
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12:32pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Sam Hain says...

PS: for lasi read laid
PS: for lasi read laid Sam Hain
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3:00pm Sat 9 Feb 13

myopinioncounts says...

While spitting and urinating are certainly disgusting, littering is a more visible blot on our 'landscape'. What would otherwise be a pleasant walk down Coppermill Lane to the River Lea is spoilt by the sight of all the cans, bottles and fast food debris on the ground, and worse, thrown over the fences onto the river bank and into the water works wooded areas where it would be difficult to retrieve. The mentality of those who do this is beyond comprehension.
I would like to see community service spent litter picking and removing graffiti.
While spitting and urinating are certainly disgusting, littering is a more visible blot on our 'landscape'. What would otherwise be a pleasant walk down Coppermill Lane to the River Lea is spoilt by the sight of all the cans, bottles and fast food debris on the ground, and worse, thrown over the fences onto the river bank and into the water works wooded areas where it would be difficult to retrieve. The mentality of those who do this is beyond comprehension. I would like to see community service spent litter picking and removing graffiti. myopinioncounts
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12:06pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Having wondered up to the Village this morning to have an overpriced coffee, my first encounter was with a drunken beggar outside a Deli playing a Comb covered in a tissue paper making a raspberry noise.

I refused to give him cash and he inhaled to clear his nose and then spat in my direction. Utterly revolting and I wondered how anyone could issue such a person with a fine and enforce the same.

As I sat outside on a rickety chair, four youths passed discarding a coke can and cigarette packet on the pavement. I felt that I would have like to have asked them to pick the rubbish up but thought better of it as I was sure I would have been attacked.

All around this jewel of Walthamstow was discarded rubbish and I suspect that not all residents wear Cranberry Tinted Spectacles unlike the Gentleman aged about 60 who entered the Deli and took out an expresso and sat there smoking a roll up through green and nicotine coloured teeth. He was wearing the tightest pair of jeans possible and must have had them sewn on. He was wearing a crazy hat without any brim or peak, a little grey goatee beard (no tasche) and a pair of John Lennon style Cranberry Tinted Spectacles!

During his smoke he flicked ash on the pavement and discarded the butt into the gutter! No he should know better!
Having wondered up to the Village this morning to have an overpriced coffee, my first encounter was with a drunken beggar outside a Deli playing a Comb covered in a tissue paper making a raspberry noise. I refused to give him cash and he inhaled to clear his nose and then spat in my direction. Utterly revolting and I wondered how anyone could issue such a person with a fine and enforce the same. As I sat outside on a rickety chair, four youths passed discarding a coke can and cigarette packet on the pavement. I felt that I would have like to have asked them to pick the rubbish up but thought better of it as I was sure I would have been attacked. All around this jewel of Walthamstow was discarded rubbish and I suspect that not all residents wear Cranberry Tinted Spectacles unlike the Gentleman aged about 60 who entered the Deli and took out an expresso and sat there smoking a roll up through green and nicotine coloured teeth. He was wearing the tightest pair of jeans possible and must have had them sewn on. He was wearing a crazy hat without any brim or peak, a little grey goatee beard (no tasche) and a pair of John Lennon style Cranberry Tinted Spectacles! During his smoke he flicked ash on the pavement and discarded the butt into the gutter! No he should know better! Cornbeefur
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12:39pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Dave mp says...

Human urine is supposed to deter foxes.
Human urine is supposed to deter foxes. Dave mp
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6:04pm Mon 11 Feb 13

ColinOrient says...

Dave mp wrote:
Human urine is supposed to deter foxes.
Out of the two nasty stinks, I'd prefer the fox. At least that one probably won't spit at us.
[quote][p][bold]Dave mp[/bold] wrote: Human urine is supposed to deter foxes.[/p][/quote]Out of the two nasty stinks, I'd prefer the fox. At least that one probably won't spit at us. ColinOrient
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8:24am Tue 12 Feb 13

malpasc says...

Maybe they could start by fining the various beer-can-carrying, 'Slavic' looking men who seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to urinate in full view of mine, and my neighbours' livingroom windows. Disgusting plebs.
Maybe they could start by fining the various beer-can-carrying, 'Slavic' looking men who seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to urinate in full view of mine, and my neighbours' livingroom windows. Disgusting plebs. malpasc
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8:29am Tue 12 Feb 13

malpasc says...

malpasc wrote:
Maybe they could start by fining the various beer-can-carrying, 'Slavic' looking men who seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to urinate in full view of mine, and my neighbours' livingroom windows. Disgusting plebs.
I should add I don't think all Eastern European people do this, and I don't think they're all plebs. Just the ones, and there seem to be quite a few near my house, who seem to think urinating in the street is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.
[quote][p][bold]malpasc[/bold] wrote: Maybe they could start by fining the various beer-can-carrying, 'Slavic' looking men who seem to think it is perfectly acceptable to urinate in full view of mine, and my neighbours' livingroom windows. Disgusting plebs.[/p][/quote]I should add I don't think all Eastern European people do this, and I don't think they're all plebs. Just the ones, and there seem to be quite a few near my house, who seem to think urinating in the street is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. malpasc
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9:28am Wed 13 Feb 13

myopinioncounts says...

Cllr Loakes was talking about this on London Radio this morning to Paul Ross. How he thinks the Community 'officers' will be able to enforce the fines I don't know!
Has he done anything about the 'tent city' and huge pile of bags that is building up under the Selborne Road Car Park? This cannot be allowed to go on or we will see the development of shanty towns common in other countries. EIther the individuals should be housed if they qualify or sent packing if they don't.
Cllr Loakes was talking about this on London Radio this morning to Paul Ross. How he thinks the Community 'officers' will be able to enforce the fines I don't know! Has he done anything about the 'tent city' and huge pile of bags that is building up under the Selborne Road Car Park? This cannot be allowed to go on or we will see the development of shanty towns common in other countries. EIther the individuals should be housed if they qualify or sent packing if they don't. myopinioncounts
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10:16am Thu 14 Feb 13

Techno3 says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
Cllr Loakes was talking about this on London Radio this morning to Paul Ross. How he thinks the Community 'officers' will be able to enforce the fines I don't know!
Has he done anything about the 'tent city' and huge pile of bags that is building up under the Selborne Road Car Park? This cannot be allowed to go on or we will see the development of shanty towns common in other countries. EIther the individuals should be housed if they qualify or sent packing if they don't.
If they are single men, they usually do not qualify for housing, even if they are British citizen.

This is due to the inherent sexism of the interpreters of the Housing Act, who seem to think that only homeless women are vulnerable on the streets. The regimented temporary hostels are places where I am told many homeless people do not like to go because they are unpleasant, because they feel patronised or because of constraints placed upon them and also sometimes fear of other inmates.

One of the issues we have locally with the influx of homeless men is the attraction of the free food being regularly opposite Mission Grove School. This is a compassionate activity, but one which may be bringing and sustaining more homeless people in the area.
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: Cllr Loakes was talking about this on London Radio this morning to Paul Ross. How he thinks the Community 'officers' will be able to enforce the fines I don't know! Has he done anything about the 'tent city' and huge pile of bags that is building up under the Selborne Road Car Park? This cannot be allowed to go on or we will see the development of shanty towns common in other countries. EIther the individuals should be housed if they qualify or sent packing if they don't.[/p][/quote]If they are single men, they usually do not qualify for housing, even if they are British citizen. This is due to the inherent sexism of the interpreters of the Housing Act, who seem to think that only homeless women are vulnerable on the streets. The regimented temporary hostels are places where I am told many homeless people do not like to go because they are unpleasant, because they feel patronised or because of constraints placed upon them and also sometimes fear of other inmates. One of the issues we have locally with the influx of homeless men is the attraction of the free food being regularly opposite Mission Grove School. This is a compassionate activity, but one which may be bringing and sustaining more homeless people in the area. Techno3
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