Plans for Muslim cultural centre in Walthamstow rejected

First published in Waltham Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

Plans to open a new Muslim cultural centre have been rejected.

The bid, to convert and extend an empty shop and flat in Higham Hill Road, Walthamstow, had been recommended for approval by officers from Waltham Forest Council.

They said there was a lack of such facilities for the Muslim community in the area, and during a consultation 32 people sent emails in support of the proposals. Only one person objected.

But councillors on the authority's planning committee were not convinced by the plans and disagreed with their own officers, saying the need for the centre had not been demonstrated.

They also cited poor public transport links and raised concern about the impact on neighbours through noise and other disturbance.

The application included proposals for a bookshop at the front of the building and a single-storey rear extension to provide space for a variety of classes.

Plans for a similar but larger cultural centre were rejected last year amid concerns about the scale of the development.

And in November 2011 the council issued an enforcement notice on the site following complaints it was illegally being used as a place of worship and education centre.

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9:58am Mon 11 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

It is sad news. I think that if we are going to have integration we need a greater understanding of different cultures.
It is sad news. I think that if we are going to have integration we need a greater understanding of different cultures. Cornbeefur
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11:07am Mon 11 Feb 13

Techno3 says...

There are a number of mosques and muslim bookshops in Waltham Forest already. Higham Hill Road is served by buses and is in any event within a reasonable walking distance of a number of such existing religious facilities,
There are a number of mosques and muslim bookshops in Waltham Forest already. Higham Hill Road is served by buses and is in any event within a reasonable walking distance of a number of such existing religious facilities, Techno3
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11:33am Mon 11 Feb 13

Boogaloo on bass ! says...

Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers.
Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers. Boogaloo on bass !
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12:08pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Sir Matt of Wood Street says...

Please note the only other mention of a Boogaloo on Bass is commenting in a piece about jam jars in the Guardian's sister paper The Northern Echo.

I don't know why we should have to put up with these types, coming over here, leaving their comments. We have way too many bigots, and they have demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in real British Society, (note how they also as an average section of society break planning laws ). You should come to Walthamstow, the place where the EDL came to be humiliated, to see integration working. DON'T PRETEND this rejection was motivated by antagonism towards Muslims, it seems to have more to do with everyday transport and noise concerns.
Please note the only other mention of a Boogaloo on Bass is commenting in a piece about jam jars in the Guardian's sister paper The Northern Echo. I don't know why we should have to put up with these types, coming over here, leaving their comments. We have way too many bigots, and they have demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in real British Society, (note how they also as an average section of society break planning laws ). You should come to Walthamstow, the place where the EDL came to be humiliated, to see integration working. DON'T PRETEND this rejection was motivated by antagonism towards Muslims, it seems to have more to do with everyday transport and noise concerns. Sir Matt of Wood Street
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12:14pm Mon 11 Feb 13

stickmanny says...

Boogaloo on bass ! wrote:
Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers.
Too many mosques? Too many for you, or for the muslim population?


I'm getting suspicious about the number of stories on this site about muslims and their planning applications.

We are not hearing about applications lodged by any other religious body. I find it hard to believe that there aren't any.
[quote][p][bold]Boogaloo on bass ![/bold] wrote: Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers.[/p][/quote]Too many mosques? Too many for you, or for the muslim population? I'm getting suspicious about the number of stories on this site about muslims and their planning applications. We are not hearing about applications lodged by any other religious body. I find it hard to believe that there aren't any. stickmanny
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12:20pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Techno3 says...

stickmanny wrote:
Boogaloo on bass ! wrote:
Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers.
Too many mosques? Too many for you, or for the muslim population?


I'm getting suspicious about the number of stories on this site about muslims and their planning applications.

We are not hearing about applications lodged by any other religious body. I find it hard to believe that there aren't any.
In case you missed it, the second biggest local planning story on here for the last decade has involved the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God and the EMD Cinema.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boogaloo on bass ![/bold] wrote: Wow - RESULT !! We have way too many Mosques and the "Religion " of peace has demonstrated time and again that they have no interest or inclination to integrate in British society, (note the fact that they had already been refused planning permission earlier and continued to use it and the council had to get an enforcement notice ). Only need to go to Bradford to see how they refuse to integrate, even when city authorities have bent over backwards to accommodate them. WELL DONE to these councilors who rejected this application and they should give a serious kick in the backside to the said planning officers.[/p][/quote]Too many mosques? Too many for you, or for the muslim population? I'm getting suspicious about the number of stories on this site about muslims and their planning applications. We are not hearing about applications lodged by any other religious body. I find it hard to believe that there aren't any.[/p][/quote]In case you missed it, the second biggest local planning story on here for the last decade has involved the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God and the EMD Cinema. Techno3
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12:23pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Sam Hain says...

It'll be interesting to see who gets the former Dominion Cinema on Buxton Road E17 and what they do with it, now up for sale with Strettons. My guess is either the UCKG will jump ship from the EMD or that it'll become a mosque/Islamic cultural centre. Of course it could just as easily be demolished and become yet more rabbit hutch 'luxury' flats. I don't fancy any of those options but we'll find out soon enough I suppose.
It'll be interesting to see who gets the former Dominion Cinema on Buxton Road E17 and what they do with it, now up for sale with Strettons. My guess is either the UCKG will jump ship from the EMD or that it'll become a mosque/Islamic cultural centre. Of course it could just as easily be demolished and become yet more rabbit hutch 'luxury' flats. I don't fancy any of those options but we'll find out soon enough I suppose. Sam Hain
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12:29pm Mon 11 Feb 13

stickmanny says...

@Techno3

Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along....
@Techno3 Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along.... stickmanny
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2:15pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Trevor 2 says...

When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes!
When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes! Trevor 2
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2:24pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Boogaloo on bass ! says...

Trevor 2 wrote:
When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes!
so said the Islamic Jihadi nutter !
[quote][p][bold]Trevor 2[/bold] wrote: When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes![/p][/quote]so said the Islamic Jihadi nutter ! Boogaloo on bass !
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4:24pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Walthamster says...

stickmanny wrote:
@Techno3

Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along....
Stickmanny, the UCKG/cinema campaign has been running for more than a decade, with frequent coverage in the two local newspapers.

There have been regular events by campaigners, efforts by the UCKG to overturn the planning decision against them, and official activities including several well-publicised planning meetings and a government-level public inquiry.

The local press has also covered numerous stories about other evangelical churches in the borough.

But you didn't notice any of this?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: @Techno3 Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along....[/p][/quote]Stickmanny, the UCKG/cinema campaign has been running for more than a decade, with frequent coverage in the two local newspapers. There have been regular events by campaigners, efforts by the UCKG to overturn the planning decision against them, and official activities including several well-publicised planning meetings and a government-level public inquiry. The local press has also covered numerous stories about other evangelical churches in the borough. But you didn't notice any of this? Walthamster
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4:31pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Trevor 2 says...

Boogaloo on bass ! wrote:
Trevor 2 wrote:
When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes!
so said the Islamic Jihadi nutter !
Pardon?
[quote][p][bold]Boogaloo on bass ![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trevor 2[/bold] wrote: When religion rears it's ugly head shoot it between the eyes![/p][/quote]so said the Islamic Jihadi nutter ![/p][/quote]Pardon? Trevor 2
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4:56pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Alan_1976 says...

Walthamster wrote:
stickmanny wrote:
@Techno3

Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along....
Stickmanny, the UCKG/cinema campaign has been running for more than a decade, with frequent coverage in the two local newspapers.

There have been regular events by campaigners, efforts by the UCKG to overturn the planning decision against them, and official activities including several well-publicised planning meetings and a government-level public inquiry.

The local press has also covered numerous stories about other evangelical churches in the borough.

But you didn't notice any of this?
Even stranger that he commented on at least one of the articles!
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: @Techno3 Thanks I did miss it. Lets see how many more muslim stories we get before the next one comes along....[/p][/quote]Stickmanny, the UCKG/cinema campaign has been running for more than a decade, with frequent coverage in the two local newspapers. There have been regular events by campaigners, efforts by the UCKG to overturn the planning decision against them, and official activities including several well-publicised planning meetings and a government-level public inquiry. The local press has also covered numerous stories about other evangelical churches in the borough. But you didn't notice any of this?[/p][/quote]Even stranger that he commented on at least one of the articles! Alan_1976
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7:16pm Mon 11 Feb 13

stickmanny says...

His memory isn't what it used to be
His memory isn't what it used to be stickmanny
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8:10pm Mon 11 Feb 13

leyton_man says...

Presumably with the new mosque in the village and the large one in the old Waltham oak, there won't be a shortage of venues anymore.
Presumably with the new mosque in the village and the large one in the old Waltham oak, there won't be a shortage of venues anymore. leyton_man
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12:34am Tue 12 Feb 13

SXH says...

Why is there such a huge demand for Mosque's and housing?

They need Mosque's local within walking distance, after planning is approved on many, they drive to the Mosque.
CPZ areas will not be enforced on Religious dates as i was informed during the set up of temporary CPZ during the Olympics.

If i recall i read an article of the biggest Mosque in the UK to be built around Stratford Olympics area? i think that was rejected. other religious faith groups apart from UCKG, have not insisted on churches/ Temples / Chalolic/ Orthodox,
I travel to other boroughs to visit my church, why cannot they do the same.

There is more to all this, where we are not being told.
Why is there such a huge demand for Mosque's and housing? They need Mosque's local within walking distance, after planning is approved on many, they drive to the Mosque. CPZ areas will not be enforced on Religious dates as i was informed during the set up of temporary CPZ during the Olympics. If i recall i read an article of the biggest Mosque in the UK to be built around Stratford Olympics area? i think that was rejected. other religious faith groups apart from UCKG, have not insisted on churches/ Temples / Chalolic/ Orthodox, I travel to other boroughs to visit my church, why cannot they do the same. There is more to all this, where we are not being told. SXH
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11:17am Tue 12 Feb 13

Walthamster says...

This is a very encouraging change, though.

Up till now the pattern has been for mosques to set up without permission, get retrospective planning permission, then build an illegal extension or spill out and to the pavement outside.

We've had elected councillors trying to push applications through despite opposition from neighbours who are suffering from then:

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http://www.guardian-
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Once people discover they can ignore the law and get away with it, they're encouraged to continue.

Now it looks as if some of our councillors are finally standing up for the law (and the neighbours). So I have to say, good for them.
This is a very encouraging change, though. Up till now the pattern has been for mosques to set up without permission, get retrospective planning permission, then build an illegal extension or spill out and to the pavement outside. We've had elected councillors trying to push applications through despite opposition from neighbours who are suffering from then: http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/99 14394.CHINGFORD__Mos que_launches_second_ expansion_bid/ http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10160490.Labour _chief_whip__conspir ed_to_fix_planning_a pplicatons_/ Once people discover they can ignore the law and get away with it, they're encouraged to continue. Now it looks as if some of our councillors are finally standing up for the law (and the neighbours). So I have to say, good for them. Walthamster
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11:30am Tue 12 Feb 13

Boogaloo on bass ! says...

Well said Walthamster !!
We need more councilor's and councils nationwide to stand up for the law and consider the locals who are affected by it.
Well said Walthamster !! We need more councilor's and councils nationwide to stand up for the law and consider the locals who are affected by it. Boogaloo on bass !
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12:28pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Wanstead High St Developer says...

Try reading Wanstead High St story !!!!
Try reading Wanstead High St story !!!! Wanstead High St Developer
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5:31pm Tue 12 Feb 13

SXH says...

Wanstead High St Developer wrote:
Try reading Wanstead High St story !!!!
Trolling this story to get people to support you is childs games
[quote][p][bold]Wanstead High St Developer[/bold] wrote: Try reading Wanstead High St story !!!![/p][/quote]Trolling this story to get people to support you is childs games SXH
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