UCKG member appeals against Waltham Forest Council's dismissal of his 'not credible' complaint

UCKG supporters at the planning meeting.

UCKG supporters at the planning meeting.

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A member of a church behind controversial proposals to convert a former cinema has appealed against a panel's decision to clear a councillor accused of insulting him.

Victor Akutu made a complaint against Conservative leader Cllr Matt Davis over allegations he was biased and had insulted the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (UCKG).

But a disciplinary panel at Waltham Forest Council dismissed Mr Akutu's complaint as "inconsistent" and "not credible".

Mr Akutu said the panel's decision was "absurd" and has demanded the case be looked at again.

The alleged incident followed a September planning meeting in which councillors, including Cllr Davis, rejected the UCKG's planning application to turn the former EMD cinema in Walthamstow into a church-cinema hybrid.

Mr Akutu claimed that Cllr Davis said the words "Victoria Climbié" to him during a conversation, which Mr Akutu took as an insult to his church.

Victoria was tortured and murdered by her great aunt in Haringey in 2000.

Her death is a sensitive topic for the UCKG, as Victoria's aunt brought her to a UCKG centre three times just before her death, but staff there did not initially realise or report the seriousness of her condition.

Cllr Davis always denied the claims and the disciplinary panel noted that Mr Akutu repeatedly referred to Victoria as “Anna” during the hearing.

They also noted the apparent contradiction in Mr Akutu claim that he was instantly offended but then also did not recall the relevance of Victoria until later.

In response, Mr Akutu said in his appeal letter: “I must clarify that there is no doubt both Cllr Davis and myself were aware of what the name Victoria Climbié meant.

“What I did not understand is how someone such as Cllr Davis would by using these words considering the nature of the hearing would consider this relevant if he was not indeed biased”.

Cllr Davis also claimed the man who turned up to the disciplinary hearing was a completely different person to the person he spoke with after the planning meeting, something Mr Akutu has also denied.

Cllr Davis told the Guardian: “It's his right to appeal if he wants to and I think it demonstrates the tenacity of members of the UCKG.”

A new panel of councillors will make a decision on the appeal next Thursday (February 28).

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6:36pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Techno3 says...

Cllr Davis thinks the appeal demonstrates the 'tenacity' of members of the UCKG. I think it demonstrates their lack of engagement with reality.

Carrying on with the appeal will simply give more publicity to the UCKG's disgraceful involvement in the Victoria Climbié affair.
Cllr Davis thinks the appeal demonstrates the 'tenacity' of members of the UCKG. I think it demonstrates their lack of engagement with reality. Carrying on with the appeal will simply give more publicity to the UCKG's disgraceful involvement in the Victoria Climbié affair. Techno3
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6:51pm Thu 21 Feb 13

mdj says...

Would these hi-viz jackets constitute a uniform under the terms of the Public Order Act? It's not a good look, at the very least.
Would these hi-viz jackets constitute a uniform under the terms of the Public Order Act? It's not a good look, at the very least. mdj
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10:08pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

mdj wrote:
Would these hi-viz jackets constitute a uniform under the terms of the Public Order Act? It's not a good look, at the very least.
Poor old Road sweepers must be Quivering in their Kier Boots at this comment.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: Would these hi-viz jackets constitute a uniform under the terms of the Public Order Act? It's not a good look, at the very least.[/p][/quote]Poor old Road sweepers must be Quivering in their Kier Boots at this comment. Cornbeefur
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11:14pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Trevor 2 says...

Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!!
Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!! Trevor 2
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11:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

RichieA70 says...

UCKG do seem to love to Appeal.
UCKG do seem to love to Appeal. RichieA70
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2:53pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Trevor 2 wrote:
Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!!
They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold.
[quote][p][bold]Trevor 2[/bold] wrote: Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!![/p][/quote]They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold. Cornbeefur
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6:29pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Trevor 2 wrote:
Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!!
They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold.
Cornbeefur,
I have no sympathy with the UCKG. The UCKG bought our last remaining Cinema whilst it was still in operation knowing full well they would require planning permission for change of use. They have no-one but themselves to blame for being so presumptuous. You may not have any regard for the building, but many residents do which is why this saga has been going on for as long as it has. The UCKG probably do think along those lines about the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust, but you do need people like that willing to head the fight so instead of making a dig at these 2 organisations, if you are a resident you should actually be praising them for at least trying. I know I won't sway you on this which is a shame, but with any objections you cannot do it individually, so someone has to be up front which in our case are the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trevor 2[/bold] wrote: Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!![/p][/quote]They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, I have no sympathy with the UCKG. The UCKG bought our last remaining Cinema whilst it was still in operation knowing full well they would require planning permission for change of use. They have no-one but themselves to blame for being so presumptuous. You may not have any regard for the building, but many residents do which is why this saga has been going on for as long as it has. The UCKG probably do think along those lines about the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust, but you do need people like that willing to head the fight so instead of making a dig at these 2 organisations, if you are a resident you should actually be praising them for at least trying. I know I won't sway you on this which is a shame, but with any objections you cannot do it individually, so someone has to be up front which in our case are the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust. Debbie2312
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12:03am Sat 23 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Debbie2312 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Trevor 2 wrote:
Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!!
They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold.
Cornbeefur,
I have no sympathy with the UCKG. The UCKG bought our last remaining Cinema whilst it was still in operation knowing full well they would require planning permission for change of use. They have no-one but themselves to blame for being so presumptuous. You may not have any regard for the building, but many residents do which is why this saga has been going on for as long as it has. The UCKG probably do think along those lines about the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust, but you do need people like that willing to head the fight so instead of making a dig at these 2 organisations, if you are a resident you should actually be praising them for at least trying. I know I won't sway you on this which is a shame, but with any objections you cannot do it individually, so someone has to be up front which in our case are the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust.
I actually applaud the McGuffins and Trust (apart from when the McGuffins went off at a tangent and ruined the Campaign with Parades of Children dressed as Power Rangers and displays of Darleks and Computer generated Cinemas for their private use)

The Cinema is an Iconic Venue which should cater for all the general population, non-drinking as well as imbibers and this has always been my view.

The general population these days do no consist of people like the McGuffins who are essentially Middle Class White men, hardly representative of the local Population and who in any event nominated or elected the McGuffins to carry the Torch of saviour for the Campaign?

The average resident of the area around the Iconic venue is not remotely interested in films like 'Attack from the Planet Zob' or 'Carry on Up Your Khybers Past and Present'

We need a new approach to saving the venue/ Worlk with the UKCG? Give the UKCG an escape route and at least raise some hard cash?

Empty promises by the Bobby Crush, the Mick Jagger, the Bald Rick and the woman who went out with Derek Jacobsbie means nothing?

Monies are required of which the Campaign group in all the 10 years have raised is nothing tangible.
[quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trevor 2[/bold] wrote: Oh come on! When are this crowd going to get the message. They're not wanted in this Borough so Akutu and his devoted followers can sling they're bloody hook!![/p][/quote]They may say that about the McGuffins and Cinema Trusts. They have in Law more right to the Granada than them or the Trust as they actually own the Freehold.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, I have no sympathy with the UCKG. The UCKG bought our last remaining Cinema whilst it was still in operation knowing full well they would require planning permission for change of use. They have no-one but themselves to blame for being so presumptuous. You may not have any regard for the building, but many residents do which is why this saga has been going on for as long as it has. The UCKG probably do think along those lines about the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust, but you do need people like that willing to head the fight so instead of making a dig at these 2 organisations, if you are a resident you should actually be praising them for at least trying. I know I won't sway you on this which is a shame, but with any objections you cannot do it individually, so someone has to be up front which in our case are the McGuffins and the Cinema Trust.[/p][/quote]I actually applaud the McGuffins and Trust (apart from when the McGuffins went off at a tangent and ruined the Campaign with Parades of Children dressed as Power Rangers and displays of Darleks and Computer generated Cinemas for their private use) The Cinema is an Iconic Venue which should cater for all the general population, non-drinking as well as imbibers and this has always been my view. The general population these days do no consist of people like the McGuffins who are essentially Middle Class White men, hardly representative of the local Population and who in any event nominated or elected the McGuffins to carry the Torch of saviour for the Campaign? The average resident of the area around the Iconic venue is not remotely interested in films like 'Attack from the Planet Zob' or 'Carry on Up Your Khybers Past and Present' We need a new approach to saving the venue/ Worlk with the UKCG? Give the UKCG an escape route and at least raise some hard cash? Empty promises by the Bobby Crush, the Mick Jagger, the Bald Rick and the woman who went out with Derek Jacobsbie means nothing? Monies are required of which the Campaign group in all the 10 years have raised is nothing tangible. Cornbeefur
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1:07am Sat 23 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

Hi Cornbeefur,
I do understand where you are coming from and it is highly frustrating. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and it makes my heart sick to see that building lost from the community. I know there are things you didn't like about the campaign, but they have kept the momentum going. It is difficult to raise cash for something the owners won't step in to negotians with a view to sell. The UCKG know full well that they are not wanted in this borough, but it doesn't matter to them. We have to hold on to a little faith that things will work out, anything else can be ironed out later in my view. I miss the building very much and truely hope I will see it again in better times.
Hi Cornbeefur, I do understand where you are coming from and it is highly frustrating. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and it makes my heart sick to see that building lost from the community. I know there are things you didn't like about the campaign, but they have kept the momentum going. It is difficult to raise cash for something the owners won't step in to negotians with a view to sell. The UCKG know full well that they are not wanted in this borough, but it doesn't matter to them. We have to hold on to a little faith that things will work out, anything else can be ironed out later in my view. I miss the building very much and truely hope I will see it again in better times. Debbie2312
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3:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Debbie2312 wrote:
Hi Cornbeefur,
I do understand where you are coming from and it is highly frustrating. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and it makes my heart sick to see that building lost from the community. I know there are things you didn't like about the campaign, but they have kept the momentum going. It is difficult to raise cash for something the owners won't step in to negotians with a view to sell. The UCKG know full well that they are not wanted in this borough, but it doesn't matter to them. We have to hold on to a little faith that things will work out, anything else can be ironed out later in my view. I miss the building very much and truely hope I will see it again in better times.
I miss it also but the who Campaign appeared to have been led by incompetents with their own agenda in mind, had no interest in anyone else's views and blew it.
[quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: Hi Cornbeefur, I do understand where you are coming from and it is highly frustrating. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and it makes my heart sick to see that building lost from the community. I know there are things you didn't like about the campaign, but they have kept the momentum going. It is difficult to raise cash for something the owners won't step in to negotians with a view to sell. The UCKG know full well that they are not wanted in this borough, but it doesn't matter to them. We have to hold on to a little faith that things will work out, anything else can be ironed out later in my view. I miss the building very much and truely hope I will see it again in better times.[/p][/quote]I miss it also but the who Campaign appeared to have been led by incompetents with their own agenda in mind, had no interest in anyone else's views and blew it. Cornbeefur
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