Travellers set up second site near Walthamstow Stadium

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: The new travellers site beside the A406. The new travellers site beside the A406.

A second travellers site has been set up in the area around Walthamstow Stadium.

A total of 14 caravans moved on to the former car park of the derelict dog racing track in Chingford Road earlier this week.

And now more travellers have arrived and settled on a patch of land at the rear of an industrial estate on the other side of the A406 by Billet Road and the Billet roundabout.

The Guardian counted 11 caravans and motorhomes on the second site.

Neighbours have given a mixed reaction to the arrival of the new residents.

Gail Penfold, chairwoman of the Walthamstow Stadium Area Resident’s Association, met with the first group earlier this week to welcome them to the area and said she hoped they would respect the neighbourhood.

Shortly after their arrival Waltham Forest Council said it would send staff to the scene to assess any health and welfare concerns.

Housing association London and Quadrant (L&Q) is currently building a housing estate on the Walthamstow Stadium site, while a bus depot is planned for the car park.

 

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10:40am Sun 15 Sep 13

Billy Yerache says...

I am not surprised at all. Did the local 'Chair' Ms Penfold put up bunting and throw flowers as they arrived? Perhaps greeting them with a tray of milky coffee and biscuits or home made cakes this time?

Like I suggested before one should reserve judgement after they leave as many people are long enough in the tooth to recall the devastation that has been caused in the past, long before the glamourisation as shown in TV programmes such as ' My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding' and the odd Sally Bercow nonsense and her liberal views.

The 'reality' is that Tax Payers have to pick up the pieces.
I am not surprised at all. Did the local 'Chair' Ms Penfold put up bunting and throw flowers as they arrived? Perhaps greeting them with a tray of milky coffee and biscuits or home made cakes this time? Like I suggested before one should reserve judgement after they leave as many people are long enough in the tooth to recall the devastation that has been caused in the past, long before the glamourisation as shown in TV programmes such as ' My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding' and the odd Sally Bercow nonsense and her liberal views. The 'reality' is that Tax Payers have to pick up the pieces. Billy Yerache
  • Score: 32

11:10am Sun 15 Sep 13

Pogle57 says...

Perhaps Ms. Penfold would like to open part of her garden to any travellers who can't get into the already filling up sites at the dog track....I wonder where Ms. Penfold lives?......
Perhaps Ms. Penfold would like to open part of her garden to any travellers who can't get into the already filling up sites at the dog track....I wonder where Ms. Penfold lives?...... Pogle57
  • Score: 26

12:00pm Sun 15 Sep 13

timplum says...

The infamous Viz cartoon strip, the title of which I cannot repeat here, springs to mind!
The infamous Viz cartoon strip, the title of which I cannot repeat here, springs to mind! timplum
  • Score: 9

3:02pm Sun 15 Sep 13

bishbosh says...

I wonder if the council allowed for the cost of the clean up in their S106 agreements with those that have trashed the Stow. Regular visitors over the years have never seen this before on the site. Wonderful planning and community thinking!!
I wonder if the council allowed for the cost of the clean up in their S106 agreements with those that have trashed the Stow. Regular visitors over the years have never seen this before on the site. Wonderful planning and community thinking!! bishbosh
  • Score: 16

6:16pm Sun 15 Sep 13

Mrs Penfold says...

These are my personal comments.

The other traveller site is not within the association area and it will be up to the association in that area if there is one to act however they and their committee see fit and there are less caravans and vehicles on the stadium car park today (Sunday) than there were yesterday.

The stadium car park is privately owned so comments relating to cost of clear up to Waltham Forest Council would not apply as it would be down to the land owners to clear the site afterwards.

The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules. There are different types of travellers and gypsies.

It was not for me to pre-judge or make assumptions and I stand by statement that not all travellers are thieves.

Yes I have visited with the aim of giving them an opportunity to understand and respect the local community and obtain some agreements from them.

Yes it took guts to walk into a traveller site. I didnt know whether or not they would even speak to me let alone listen but at least I tried to do something positive and it seemed to work initially.

It is not my fault that after a few days they decided not to bother and I do wonder whether some of the comments on the other previous guardian article contributed to this.

The stadium car park is more significant than other car parks in the borough as it is a historical site to be archeologically dug before the new buildings are erected. The Residents/Community Association has a constitution that I have to abide by and that is what I have done.

I have spoken with a number of residents, I am aware of their concerns and not one of them has slated me in the way some of you have commented on here. That is because they understood what I was trying to achieve.
These are my personal comments. The other traveller site is not within the association area and it will be up to the association in that area if there is one to act however they and their committee see fit and there are less caravans and vehicles on the stadium car park today (Sunday) than there were yesterday. The stadium car park is privately owned so comments relating to cost of clear up to Waltham Forest Council would not apply as it would be down to the land owners to clear the site afterwards. The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules. There are different types of travellers and gypsies. It was not for me to pre-judge or make assumptions and I stand by statement that not all travellers are thieves. Yes I have visited with the aim of giving them an opportunity to understand and respect the local community and obtain some agreements from them. Yes it took guts to walk into a traveller site. I didnt know whether or not they would even speak to me let alone listen but at least I tried to do something positive and it seemed to work initially. It is not my fault that after a few days they decided not to bother and I do wonder whether some of the comments on the other previous guardian article contributed to this. The stadium car park is more significant than other car parks in the borough as it is a historical site to be archeologically dug before the new buildings are erected. The Residents/Community Association has a constitution that I have to abide by and that is what I have done. I have spoken with a number of residents, I am aware of their concerns and not one of them has slated me in the way some of you have commented on here. That is because they understood what I was trying to achieve. Mrs Penfold
  • Score: -15

7:06pm Sun 15 Sep 13

stickmanny says...

Well thank you Mrs Penfold.

And shame on the hateful posts above from those so quick to slag anything they don't understand.
Well thank you Mrs Penfold. And shame on the hateful posts above from those so quick to slag anything they don't understand. stickmanny
  • Score: -25

7:23pm Sun 15 Sep 13

JawsMC says...

Those that post negatively ....As I have said elsewhere, lots of NIMBY's who do absolutely NOTHING for the local community other that sit back and gob off at those that give their time..
It is my opinion they ( the whingers ) are beyond contempt
Those that post negatively ....As I have said elsewhere, lots of NIMBY's who do absolutely NOTHING for the local community other that sit back and gob off at those that give their time.. It is my opinion they ( the whingers ) are beyond contempt JawsMC
  • Score: -23

7:37pm Sun 15 Sep 13

ska lover says...

well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??
well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve?? ska lover
  • Score: 19

7:51pm Sun 15 Sep 13

stickmanny says...

ska lover wrote:
well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??
Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.
[quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??[/p][/quote]Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it. stickmanny
  • Score: -26

8:18pm Sun 15 Sep 13

ska lover says...

stickmanny wrote:
ska lover wrote:
well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??
Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.
do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything!
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??[/p][/quote]Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.[/p][/quote]do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything! ska lover
  • Score: 26

8:35pm Sun 15 Sep 13

sensibility says...

I have found the comments on the two articles relating to the travellers quite interesting. Mention travellers and visions of Dale Farm and TV programmes seem to instill fear dread and hate.

From what I have read it appears Mrs Penfold has made efforts to try to get the travellers to behave themselves or as put above "respect the neighbourhood".

Its quite obvious from the rubbish now being dumped on the car park that at least some of these travellers work for a living whether it be rubbish clearance or tree cutting and disposal and garden clearance.

Whilst people and companies are prepared to pay a cheap price rather than dispose of their waste correctly and insist on waste transfer notices and correct disposa, or use established local garden services, then surely the travellers will stay.

Perhaps if the worked dried up they would move on more quickly.
I have found the comments on the two articles relating to the travellers quite interesting. Mention travellers and visions of Dale Farm and TV programmes seem to instill fear dread and hate. From what I have read it appears Mrs Penfold has made efforts to try to get the travellers to behave themselves or as put above "respect the neighbourhood". Its quite obvious from the rubbish now being dumped on the car park that at least some of these travellers work for a living whether it be rubbish clearance or tree cutting and disposal and garden clearance. Whilst people and companies are prepared to pay a cheap price rather than dispose of their waste correctly and insist on waste transfer notices and correct disposa, or use established local garden services, then surely the travellers will stay. Perhaps if the worked dried up they would move on more quickly. sensibility
  • Score: 24

9:10pm Sun 15 Sep 13

Mrs Penfold says...

In response to Ska Lover, as I tried to explain before, there are different types of travellers and gypsies from different countries, each having their own set of rules. There was great concern when they moved in locally.

It was hoped that these were traditional gypsies or travellers where, on the shaking of hands their word is their bond.

As association members are fully aware, when they raise a concern or require help I do my best to assist as do the other committee members. The constitution was agreed by members at a well attended 1st AGM and every business property and household has my full contact details. You will have these if you are a member of our association.

I am answerable for my actions whilst carrying out Association work, to the committee and our members.

Finally, the post by "Sensibility" has some very valid comments.
In response to Ska Lover, as I tried to explain before, there are different types of travellers and gypsies from different countries, each having their own set of rules. There was great concern when they moved in locally. It was hoped that these were traditional gypsies or travellers where, on the shaking of hands their word is their bond. As association members are fully aware, when they raise a concern or require help I do my best to assist as do the other committee members. The constitution was agreed by members at a well attended 1st AGM and every business property and household has my full contact details. You will have these if you are a member of our association. I am answerable for my actions whilst carrying out Association work, to the committee and our members. Finally, the post by "Sensibility" has some very valid comments. Mrs Penfold
  • Score: -19

9:49pm Sun 15 Sep 13

Ibnbatuta says...

Oh dear; it will all end in tears, as usual.

Best laugh yet from Mrs, Penfold.:

"It is not my fault that after a few days they decided not to bother and I do wonder whether some of the comments on the other previous guardian article contributed to this."

This needs quote deserves extra points for use of a strawman to redirect blame.

Mrs. Penfold keep digging we can still see you.
Oh dear; it will all end in tears, as usual. Best laugh yet from Mrs, Penfold.: "It is not my fault that after a few days they decided not to bother and I do wonder whether some of the comments on the other previous guardian article contributed to this." This needs quote deserves extra points for use of a strawman to redirect blame. Mrs. Penfold keep digging we can still see you. Ibnbatuta
  • Score: 27

11:27pm Sun 15 Sep 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Personally I savour the mental picture of the travellers scanning the local paper website to find out what people are saying about them.

I'm also feeling quite sorry now for Mrs Penfold. She naively over-estimated how much influence the mere chair of a local RA could exert on a community of people who choose to live their whole lives outside the rules applying to the rest of society. She would have been better keeping out of this matter - she has made herself and her association look foolish in the eyes of many people, which is a shame when they have a real job to do.
Personally I savour the mental picture of the travellers scanning the local paper website to find out what people are saying about them. I'm also feeling quite sorry now for Mrs Penfold. She naively over-estimated how much influence the mere chair of a local RA could exert on a community of people who choose to live their whole lives outside the rules applying to the rest of society. She would have been better keeping out of this matter - she has made herself and her association look foolish in the eyes of many people, which is a shame when they have a real job to do. Helen, Walthamstow
  • Score: 28

6:22am Mon 16 Sep 13

northlondondwg says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Personally I savour the mental picture of the travellers scanning the local paper website to find out what people are saying about them.

I'm also feeling quite sorry now for Mrs Penfold. She naively over-estimated how much influence the mere chair of a local RA could exert on a community of people who choose to live their whole lives outside the rules applying to the rest of society. She would have been better keeping out of this matter - she has made herself and her association look foolish in the eyes of many people, which is a shame when they have a real job to do.
My thoughts exactly! Lets face facts these travellers will bring no positives to the area what so ever! They might not go marauding down Empress Avenue, but they will access local services and pay no Council Tax and they are already making a mess!
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Personally I savour the mental picture of the travellers scanning the local paper website to find out what people are saying about them. I'm also feeling quite sorry now for Mrs Penfold. She naively over-estimated how much influence the mere chair of a local RA could exert on a community of people who choose to live their whole lives outside the rules applying to the rest of society. She would have been better keeping out of this matter - she has made herself and her association look foolish in the eyes of many people, which is a shame when they have a real job to do.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly! Lets face facts these travellers will bring no positives to the area what so ever! They might not go marauding down Empress Avenue, but they will access local services and pay no Council Tax and they are already making a mess! northlondondwg
  • Score: 27

8:22am Mon 16 Sep 13

stickmanny says...

ska lover wrote:
stickmanny wrote:
ska lover wrote:
well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??
Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.
do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything!
Pointing out typos doesn't contribute much. You know exactly what I meant. Mrs Penfold's original post explained her actions very well.

The traveller phobia, the rush to condemn without knowledge of wrongdoing, the nonsense about council cleanup costs, the petty 'taxpayer's money' arguments, the failure of councils to provide space for travellers despite a legal obligation.

Where is the 'indication of respect' from the rest of us? It seems only Mrs Penfold is big enough to show any.
[quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??[/p][/quote]Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.[/p][/quote]do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything![/p][/quote]Pointing out typos doesn't contribute much. You know exactly what I meant. Mrs Penfold's original post explained her actions very well. The traveller phobia, the rush to condemn without knowledge of wrongdoing, the nonsense about council cleanup costs, the petty 'taxpayer's money' arguments, the failure of councils to provide space for travellers despite a legal obligation. Where is the 'indication of respect' from the rest of us? It seems only Mrs Penfold is big enough to show any. stickmanny
  • Score: -31

8:45am Mon 16 Sep 13

northlondondwg says...

stickmanny wrote:
ska lover wrote:
stickmanny wrote:
ska lover wrote: well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??
Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.
do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything!
Pointing out typos doesn't contribute much. You know exactly what I meant. Mrs Penfold's original post explained her actions very well. The traveller phobia, the rush to condemn without knowledge of wrongdoing, the nonsense about council cleanup costs, the petty 'taxpayer's money' arguments, the failure of councils to provide space for travellers despite a legal obligation. Where is the 'indication of respect' from the rest of us? It seems only Mrs Penfold is big enough to show any.
Do you even live anywhere near this site? No good will come of this! can you please explain why you people think it is a good thing to have an insular community of law flouters on our door step! Gail should be pursuing the Council to have these people evicted! Have they got planning permission? Have they got the land owners permission? NO is the answer! So stop your loony lefty Clyde Loakes loving ways and show some old fashioned Chingford right wingism
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ska lover[/bold] wrote: well mrs penfold please enlighten us local people what it is you were trying to achieve??[/p][/quote]Try reading this page then come back to use if you have anything worth saying about it.[/p][/quote]do you mean us rather than use? I have read this with interest and am still confused why mrs penfold has gone to a meeting with the king of the travellers or whoever it was, to welcome them and to get them to respect our community when in her words.... They will park where they want when they want,how is that giving any indication of respect for anything![/p][/quote]Pointing out typos doesn't contribute much. You know exactly what I meant. Mrs Penfold's original post explained her actions very well. The traveller phobia, the rush to condemn without knowledge of wrongdoing, the nonsense about council cleanup costs, the petty 'taxpayer's money' arguments, the failure of councils to provide space for travellers despite a legal obligation. Where is the 'indication of respect' from the rest of us? It seems only Mrs Penfold is big enough to show any.[/p][/quote]Do you even live anywhere near this site? No good will come of this! can you please explain why you people think it is a good thing to have an insular community of law flouters on our door step! Gail should be pursuing the Council to have these people evicted! Have they got planning permission? Have they got the land owners permission? NO is the answer! So stop your loony lefty Clyde Loakes loving ways and show some old fashioned Chingford right wingism northlondondwg
  • Score: 27

9:26am Mon 16 Sep 13

bishbosh says...

I have nothing but admiration for the local residents association that have to endure the consequences of this complete unnecessary development. The Stow underpinned a local community, not everyone's cup of tea but it provided a sense of local identity, jobs, and put Walthamstow on the map. Those that will benefit from this are not locals but the council, money men and L and Q in the long run. No social rent or housing will be provided. Affordable housing is not affordable to those that need housing. It is now 80% of a vastly inflated market rent and buying cost. A new bus depot will allow the council to free up more development land. Where are the interests of local people who have to put up with this crap. Gail I understand is doing her best to get the best possible deal for the residents. The council were very much complicit in the demise of the Stow and were not interested in encouraging its retention as a viable employer for the borough because back in 2006/7 the large developers did not want to know as the project was not and is not viable. WF local housing partners L and Q were given encouragement to purchase the land at an inflated price as were the now owners of the old car park.
I have nothing but admiration for the local residents association that have to endure the consequences of this complete unnecessary development. The Stow underpinned a local community, not everyone's cup of tea but it provided a sense of local identity, jobs, and put Walthamstow on the map. Those that will benefit from this are not locals but the council, money men and L and Q in the long run. No social rent or housing will be provided. Affordable housing is not affordable to those that need housing. It is now 80% of a vastly inflated market rent and buying cost. A new bus depot will allow the council to free up more development land. Where are the interests of local people who have to put up with this crap. Gail I understand is doing her best to get the best possible deal for the residents. The council were very much complicit in the demise of the Stow and were not interested in encouraging its retention as a viable employer for the borough because back in 2006/7 the large developers did not want to know as the project was not and is not viable. WF local housing partners L and Q were given encouragement to purchase the land at an inflated price as were the now owners of the old car park. bishbosh
  • Score: -11

9:45am Mon 16 Sep 13

northlondondwg says...

bishbosh wrote:
I have nothing but admiration for the local residents association that have to endure the consequences of this complete unnecessary development. The Stow underpinned a local community, not everyone's cup of tea but it provided a sense of local identity, jobs, and put Walthamstow on the map. Those that will benefit from this are not locals but the council, money men and L and Q in the long run. No social rent or housing will be provided. Affordable housing is not affordable to those that need housing. It is now 80% of a vastly inflated market rent and buying cost. A new bus depot will allow the council to free up more development land. Where are the interests of local people who have to put up with this crap. Gail I understand is doing her best to get the best possible deal for the residents. The council were very much complicit in the demise of the Stow and were not interested in encouraging its retention as a viable employer for the borough because back in 2006/7 the large developers did not want to know as the project was not and is not viable. WF local housing partners L and Q were given encouragement to purchase the land at an inflated price as were the now owners of the old car park.
I think you will find that the Council put heavy stipulations on L&Q to provide community outside space and a community use building! If the dog stadium was integral to the area then why didn't more residents use and keep it going? Dog stadiums are very rarely a viable concern these days, excellent odds from online bookies put pay to that! Some of the best odds are available from the very man who sold the stadium! I think he's TV add is very funny!..... I also remember a time not so long ago when I was being harassed by my neighbours wanting a CPZ! the residents were keen on the dog stadium "apparently" but not so much on the visitors parking outside their houses! This development will be the best thing to happen to south Chingford.
[quote][p][bold]bishbosh[/bold] wrote: I have nothing but admiration for the local residents association that have to endure the consequences of this complete unnecessary development. The Stow underpinned a local community, not everyone's cup of tea but it provided a sense of local identity, jobs, and put Walthamstow on the map. Those that will benefit from this are not locals but the council, money men and L and Q in the long run. No social rent or housing will be provided. Affordable housing is not affordable to those that need housing. It is now 80% of a vastly inflated market rent and buying cost. A new bus depot will allow the council to free up more development land. Where are the interests of local people who have to put up with this crap. Gail I understand is doing her best to get the best possible deal for the residents. The council were very much complicit in the demise of the Stow and were not interested in encouraging its retention as a viable employer for the borough because back in 2006/7 the large developers did not want to know as the project was not and is not viable. WF local housing partners L and Q were given encouragement to purchase the land at an inflated price as were the now owners of the old car park.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the Council put heavy stipulations on L&Q to provide community outside space and a community use building! If the dog stadium was integral to the area then why didn't more residents use and keep it going? Dog stadiums are very rarely a viable concern these days, excellent odds from online bookies put pay to that! Some of the best odds are available from the very man who sold the stadium! I think he's TV add is very funny!..... I also remember a time not so long ago when I was being harassed by my neighbours wanting a CPZ! the residents were keen on the dog stadium "apparently" but not so much on the visitors parking outside their houses! This development will be the best thing to happen to south Chingford. northlondondwg
  • Score: 0

9:52am Mon 16 Sep 13

newsreader1188 says...

stickmanny wrote:
Well thank you Mrs Penfold.

And shame on the hateful posts above from those so quick to slag anything they don't understand.
I think people should really know what's going on with them before posting. They have been harassing locals to buy stollen goods on the way home from work, people going about there normal business, then suddenly not being left alone. Going in to local super markets trying to steel god knows what, then going in to other local businesses throwing things off shelfs and destroying perfectly good goods that are having to be thrown away for no good reason. It's making people feel uncomfortable going to there own place of work, let alone the extra cost it's causing and the wastefulness of throwing things away they have damaged for no good reason. And with all this going on you wonder why people are getting worried about being in the area late at night. But let's not get upset with them!!!!. Lets all let them move in to our own gardens if everyone wants to welcome than so much.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Well thank you Mrs Penfold. And shame on the hateful posts above from those so quick to slag anything they don't understand.[/p][/quote]I think people should really know what's going on with them before posting. They have been harassing locals to buy stollen goods on the way home from work, people going about there normal business, then suddenly not being left alone. Going in to local super markets trying to steel god knows what, then going in to other local businesses throwing things off shelfs and destroying perfectly good goods that are having to be thrown away for no good reason. It's making people feel uncomfortable going to there own place of work, let alone the extra cost it's causing and the wastefulness of throwing things away they have damaged for no good reason. And with all this going on you wonder why people are getting worried about being in the area late at night. But let's not get upset with them!!!!. Lets all let them move in to our own gardens if everyone wants to welcome than so much. newsreader1188
  • Score: 23

12:26pm Mon 16 Sep 13

Pogle57 says...

I'm sure that councillor Loakes will get it all sorted out!....
I'm sure that councillor Loakes will get it all sorted out!.... Pogle57
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Mon 16 Sep 13

Billy Yerache says...

Mrs Penfold wrote:
In response to Ska Lover, as I tried to explain before, there are different types of travellers and gypsies from different countries, each having their own set of rules. There was great concern when they moved in locally.

It was hoped that these were traditional gypsies or travellers where, on the shaking of hands their word is their bond.

As association members are fully aware, when they raise a concern or require help I do my best to assist as do the other committee members. The constitution was agreed by members at a well attended 1st AGM and every business property and household has my full contact details. You will have these if you are a member of our association.

I am answerable for my actions whilst carrying out Association work, to the committee and our members.

Finally, the post by "Sensibility" has some very valid comments.
Yes, you are answerable to your Committee.

Maybe you should consider your position and resign now as you are obviously very naive to think that you could change the mind set of this traditional travelers where many others have failed in the past?
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Penfold[/bold] wrote: In response to Ska Lover, as I tried to explain before, there are different types of travellers and gypsies from different countries, each having their own set of rules. There was great concern when they moved in locally. It was hoped that these were traditional gypsies or travellers where, on the shaking of hands their word is their bond. As association members are fully aware, when they raise a concern or require help I do my best to assist as do the other committee members. The constitution was agreed by members at a well attended 1st AGM and every business property and household has my full contact details. You will have these if you are a member of our association. I am answerable for my actions whilst carrying out Association work, to the committee and our members. Finally, the post by "Sensibility" has some very valid comments.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are answerable to your Committee. Maybe you should consider your position and resign now as you are obviously very naive to think that you could change the mind set of this traditional travelers where many others have failed in the past? Billy Yerache
  • Score: 22

2:10pm Mon 16 Sep 13

UKIP-local says...

"The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules."

If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want?

Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO.
"The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules." If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want? Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO. UKIP-local
  • Score: 22

2:53pm Mon 16 Sep 13

stickmanny says...

UKIP-local wrote:
"The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules."

If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want?

Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO.
But we don't all live that way do we. This is a tiny minority and always will be.

Councils are obliged to provide land for travellers but they do not. If they did the proper management of sites could be arranged
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-local[/bold] wrote: "The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules." If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want? Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO.[/p][/quote]But we don't all live that way do we. This is a tiny minority and always will be. Councils are obliged to provide land for travellers but they do not. If they did the proper management of sites could be arranged stickmanny
  • Score: -20

2:55pm Mon 16 Sep 13

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday.

We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced.
Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday. We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced. Stow Residents/Community Association
  • Score: 5

3:06pm Mon 16 Sep 13

northlondondwg says...

Stow Residents/Community Association wrote:
Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday. We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced.
I bet you feel foolish for welcoming them now! If I were you I'd set up a barbed wire barricade to save face and more importantly protect the poor travellers from security forces that will evict them! Megalolz
[quote][p][bold]Stow Residents/Community Association[/bold] wrote: Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday. We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced.[/p][/quote]I bet you feel foolish for welcoming them now! If I were you I'd set up a barbed wire barricade to save face and more importantly protect the poor travellers from security forces that will evict them! Megalolz northlondondwg
  • Score: 12

3:55pm Mon 16 Sep 13

Billy Yerache says...

Stow Residents/Community Association wrote:
Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday.

We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced.
Maybe you could make them a tray of tea and give them a Victoria sponge as they serve the Notice to Quit on them?
[quote][p][bold]Stow Residents/Community Association[/bold] wrote: Travellers on the Stadium Car Park continued to move on during Saturday and Sunday. We are now able to announce that Notice was served today on the remaining Travellers on the former Walthamstow Stadium Car Park with a Court Hearing scheduled for Thursday. We understand negotiations to move the second site have already commenced.[/p][/quote]Maybe you could make them a tray of tea and give them a Victoria sponge as they serve the Notice to Quit on them? Billy Yerache
  • Score: 15

6:39pm Mon 16 Sep 13

Walthamster says...

Come on everyone, be fair. What Gail Penfold did was sensible as well as brave, in visiting the squatters and talking to them as human beings instead of automatically showing hostility. It gave them a chance to show their good side, and if they had any good will that's what they would have done. Instead they abused that hospitality in the usual way.

None of us have lost anything through one person being generous towards them -- it's not as if they would have gone away otherwise. I'd say Gail's friendly action has actually strengthened local residents' case: the squatters can't pretend their antisocial behaviour was triggered by a hostile reception.

At least now they (and their supporters, who don't usually live anywhere affected by crime, fly-tipping etc) can't complain that no one ever gives travellers a chance.
Come on everyone, be fair. What Gail Penfold did was sensible as well as brave, in visiting the squatters and talking to them as human beings instead of automatically showing hostility. It gave them a chance to show their good side, and if they had any good will that's what they would have done. Instead they abused that hospitality in the usual way. None of us have lost anything through one person being generous towards them -- it's not as if they would have gone away otherwise. I'd say Gail's friendly action has actually strengthened local residents' case: the squatters can't pretend their antisocial behaviour was triggered by a hostile reception. At least now they (and their supporters, who don't usually live anywhere affected by crime, fly-tipping etc) can't complain that no one ever gives travellers a chance. Walthamster
  • Score: -4

7:31pm Mon 16 Sep 13

bishbosh says...

Victor Chandler had no involvement in the running of the Stow. He was not even on the board of directors quoted at companies house. He once famously said that he would not employ any of the family to run the door at one of his establishments. That's how bad he thought they were at running the track. The track was viable and always made a profit except for the last year of trading when it was being deliberately run down to make it appear unviable. The profit was on top of the 9 million the directors put into their pension pots over the last six years of trading. I think the site fetched circa 25 million in the end. Properly run it would have been a goldmine employing 25 permanent and 300 par time staff. Where are these jobs now?. It is naïve to believe this development will in anyway help with reducing local housing waiting lists and replace the lost jobs.
Victor Chandler had no involvement in the running of the Stow. He was not even on the board of directors quoted at companies house. He once famously said that he would not employ any of the family to run the door at one of his establishments. That's how bad he thought they were at running the track. The track was viable and always made a profit except for the last year of trading when it was being deliberately run down to make it appear unviable. The profit was on top of the 9 million the directors put into their pension pots over the last six years of trading. I think the site fetched circa 25 million in the end. Properly run it would have been a goldmine employing 25 permanent and 300 par time staff. Where are these jobs now?. It is naïve to believe this development will in anyway help with reducing local housing waiting lists and replace the lost jobs. bishbosh
  • Score: 6

1:00am Tue 17 Sep 13

GoodChingfordGirl says...

The Traveller Children were causing chaos to pedestrians walking on the pavement beside the main road the other day, jumping out at people and stopping them from walking past. Even just running into the road. It was complete stupidity and dangerous.
Yet today I drive past and there are 2 caravans left in the car park site which I can only describe as a rubbish dumping ground now. It looks disgusting.
Trying to show them respect although with positive intentions was clearly wasted on these specific travellers.
The Traveller Children were causing chaos to pedestrians walking on the pavement beside the main road the other day, jumping out at people and stopping them from walking past. Even just running into the road. It was complete stupidity and dangerous. Yet today I drive past and there are 2 caravans left in the car park site which I can only describe as a rubbish dumping ground now. It looks disgusting. Trying to show them respect although with positive intentions was clearly wasted on these specific travellers. GoodChingfordGirl
  • Score: 14

9:08am Tue 17 Sep 13

sensibility says...

UKIP-local wrote:
"The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules."

If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want?

Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO.
UKIP local said "Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO".

NO-ONE should allow any group, whether gangs or travellers to instill fear into any community.

If this was regarded as reasonable or acceptable within Waltham Forest, the hard work, time and money spent trying to eradicate gangs and reduce gang related crimes would not have been started, nor continued for so long.
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-local[/bold] wrote: "The reality is that travellers will park where they want when they want. They have their own community and their own rules." If we all live this way there would be anarchy in which the strong and loud win and the weak and the mild lose out. Is that the sort of society you want? Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO.[/p][/quote]UKIP local said "Those of us who have experience of self-styled but remarkably static "travellers" know they always do damage and instil fear into local residents; and fear is a reasonable reaction IMHO". NO-ONE should allow any group, whether gangs or travellers to instill fear into any community. If this was regarded as reasonable or acceptable within Waltham Forest, the hard work, time and money spent trying to eradicate gangs and reduce gang related crimes would not have been started, nor continued for so long. sensibility
  • Score: 13

10:41am Tue 17 Sep 13

TTMAN says...

I was thinking of an analogy for Mrs. Penfolds naieve visit to the travellers.

Hornet's nest would probably do!

Mrs. P: Now listen hear you hornets if you promise to be nice and not sting any of us local folk, I can promise you tea and cake.
Hornets: Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzz off.
I was thinking of an analogy for Mrs. Penfolds naieve visit to the travellers. Hornet's nest would probably do! Mrs. P: Now listen hear you hornets if you promise to be nice and not sting any of us local folk, I can promise you tea and cake. Hornets: Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz off. TTMAN
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Tue 17 Sep 13

OngarRS says...

Why does everyone always have a go at members of the travelling community. As far as I am aware (as we are told) they are fine upstanding members of our community (when they are here), tax their cars, don't thieve or intimidate locals, always clear up after themselves, never use the local services on offer without making a contribution to the council tax. Any area should think themselves luck to have a visitation vested upon them.
Why does everyone always have a go at members of the travelling community. As far as I am aware (as we are told) they are fine upstanding members of our community (when they are here), tax their cars, don't thieve or intimidate locals, always clear up after themselves, never use the local services on offer without making a contribution to the council tax. Any area should think themselves luck to have a visitation vested upon them. OngarRS
  • Score: 5

4:25pm Tue 17 Sep 13

TTMAN says...

I will give you a thumbs up Ongar railway station because I do irony.
I will give you a thumbs up Ongar railway station because I do irony. TTMAN
  • Score: 4

11:10pm Wed 18 Sep 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

I went past there today on the bus good lord the state the place was left in it was absolutely disgusting and full of filth and rubbish but then again these sites are always in a state with the council forced to pick up the bill
I went past there today on the bus good lord the state the place was left in it was absolutely disgusting and full of filth and rubbish but then again these sites are always in a state with the council forced to pick up the bill SpursSupporter1
  • Score: 8

10:13am Thu 19 Sep 13

sensibility says...

The travellers are not the only ones to blame for piles of rubbish.

As I pointed out on the other thread some of these travellers worked by clearing other peoples rubbish. Those other people, whether businesses or householders are also responsible. If they had got rid of it properly and legally, there wouldnt have been any mounds of rubbish to dump.
The travellers are not the only ones to blame for piles of rubbish. As I pointed out on the other thread some of these travellers worked by clearing other peoples rubbish. Those other people, whether businesses or householders are also responsible. If they had got rid of it properly and legally, there wouldnt have been any mounds of rubbish to dump. sensibility
  • Score: 0

10:48am Thu 19 Sep 13

OngarRS says...

sensibility wrote:
The travellers are not the only ones to blame for piles of rubbish.

As I pointed out on the other thread some of these travellers worked by clearing other peoples rubbish. Those other people, whether businesses or householders are also responsible. If they had got rid of it properly and legally, there wouldnt have been any mounds of rubbish to dump.
So, just so as I can understand, as I'm a bit thick, it is NOT the travellers to blame for leaving piles of sh1te on the car park, but the fault of other people? The travellers are, therefore, providing a service to the good folk of WF by taking all their rubbish away for them.
[quote][p][bold]sensibility[/bold] wrote: The travellers are not the only ones to blame for piles of rubbish. As I pointed out on the other thread some of these travellers worked by clearing other peoples rubbish. Those other people, whether businesses or householders are also responsible. If they had got rid of it properly and legally, there wouldnt have been any mounds of rubbish to dump.[/p][/quote]So, just so as I can understand, as I'm a bit thick, it is NOT the travellers to blame for leaving piles of sh1te on the car park, but the fault of other people? The travellers are, therefore, providing a service to the good folk of WF by taking all their rubbish away for them. OngarRS
  • Score: 5

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