Secretary of State for energy and climate change, Ed Miliband MP, to visit Walthamstow

A Government minister will meet residents this evening to discuss how they can help the environment.

Secretary of State for energy and climate change, Ed Miliband MP, will be visiting Walthamstow to talk with residents about cutting carbon emissions ahead of the Copenhagen summit.

Labour prospective party candidate for Walthamstow, Stella Creasy, who organised the event, said: “It is vital the political leaders at the Copenhagen summit make a deal which cuts carbon emissions internationally otherwise floods, famines and pollution will blight the lives of millions of people here and abroad.

"I’m delighted Ed Miliband is making time to come to Walthamstow and I urge anyone interested in this issue to attend this event to talk with him and Neil Gerrard MP."

There will be also be stalls by Waltham Forest's Transition Town Group, Oxfam, Action Aid, the 10:10 campaign, Soul Survivor, the Muslim and Christian Youth Climate Change Forum, the Forest Recycling Project and Active Environments and Re-use East London.

The event is at Willowfield School, in Clifton Avenue, Walthamstow, between 6.30pm and 8.30pm today.

Anyone wishing to attend is asked to email Stella on stella@workingforwalthamstow.org.uk

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10:34am Thu 26 Nov 09

Redfox says...

This is most odd, wasn't Stella being groomed to replace dear-old 'Appy 'Arry Cohen for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency? She was obviously at that time considered best because of her experience as Lea Bridge councillor. Since therefore that part of the borough has very little E17 within its' scope, how now is she the best for the Walthamstow seat?
It doesn't show much talent by organising an event for the cramped and out-of-date seniors' school site at Willowfield. It is by far and away Waltham Forest's oldest senior school (adapted from Blackhorse Road Infants b.1901) and council have struggled to find out how to replace it elsewhere.
Wonder if they'll pinch more open space land at Douglas Eyre sports ground? A la, Mitchell School at Leyton cricket ground. You've got to watch this Labour lot!
This is most odd, wasn't Stella being groomed to replace dear-old 'Appy 'Arry Cohen for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency? She was obviously at that time considered best because of her experience as Lea Bridge councillor. Since therefore that part of the borough has very little E17 within its' scope, how now is she the best for the Walthamstow seat? It doesn't show much talent by organising an event for the cramped and out-of-date seniors' school site at Willowfield. It is by far and away Waltham Forest's oldest senior school (adapted from Blackhorse Road Infants b.1901) and council have struggled to find out how to replace it elsewhere. Wonder if they'll pinch more open space land at Douglas Eyre sports ground? A la, Mitchell School at Leyton cricket ground. You've got to watch this Labour lot! Redfox
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10:56am Thu 26 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council.

I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves?

Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. Techno2
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11:15am Thu 26 Nov 09

John001 says...

Redfox wrote:
This is most odd, wasn't Stella being groomed to replace dear-old 'Appy 'Arry Cohen for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency? She was obviously at that time considered best because of her experience as Lea Bridge councillor. Since therefore that part of the borough has very little E17 within its' scope, how now is she the best for the Walthamstow seat? It doesn't show much talent by organising an event for the cramped and out-of-date seniors' school site at Willowfield. It is by far and away Waltham Forest's oldest senior school (adapted from Blackhorse Road Infants b.1901) and council have struggled to find out how to replace it elsewhere. Wonder if they'll pinch more open space land at Douglas Eyre sports ground? A la, Mitchell School at Leyton cricket ground. You've got to watch this Labour lot!
Redfox - Stella Creasy has never been considered for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency. She was selected for the Walthamstow seat more than a year ago, whereas Harry Cohen only announced his retirement within the last few months.
[quote][p][bold]Redfox[/bold] wrote: This is most odd, wasn't Stella being groomed to replace dear-old 'Appy 'Arry Cohen for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency? She was obviously at that time considered best because of her experience as Lea Bridge councillor. Since therefore that part of the borough has very little E17 within its' scope, how now is she the best for the Walthamstow seat? It doesn't show much talent by organising an event for the cramped and out-of-date seniors' school site at Willowfield. It is by far and away Waltham Forest's oldest senior school (adapted from Blackhorse Road Infants b.1901) and council have struggled to find out how to replace it elsewhere. Wonder if they'll pinch more open space land at Douglas Eyre sports ground? A la, Mitchell School at Leyton cricket ground. You've got to watch this Labour lot![/p][/quote]Redfox - Stella Creasy has never been considered for the Leyton & Wanstead constituency. She was selected for the Walthamstow seat more than a year ago, whereas Harry Cohen only announced his retirement within the last few months. John001
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11:23am Thu 26 Nov 09

John001 says...

Techno2 wrote:
I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement!
It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
[quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. John001
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2:43pm Thu 26 Nov 09

hologram says...

I note that Cllr Davis (Conservative Leader) has lost no time in responding to the article on the independent panel report. Power without responsibility is a wonderful thing. Ah, Tom Paine, thou should'st be living at this hour!
I note that Cllr Davis (Conservative Leader) has lost no time in responding to the article on the independent panel report. Power without responsibility is a wonderful thing. Ah, Tom Paine, thou should'st be living at this hour! hologram
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3:06pm Thu 26 Nov 09

Cllr Matt Davis says...

Well hologram, since without my efforts, and those of IDS, your Labour mates would have succeeded in disgracefully suppressing the entire mess you really don't have anything to crow about.

Come next May, with people finally seeing the reality of the disaster that voting Labour has been for Waltham Forest I may well have the power and the responsibilty - Bring It On!
Well hologram, since without my efforts, and those of IDS, your Labour mates would have succeeded in disgracefully suppressing the entire mess you really don't have anything to crow about. Come next May, with people finally seeing the reality of the disaster that voting Labour has been for Waltham Forest I may well have the power and the responsibilty - Bring It On! Cllr Matt Davis
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5:53pm Thu 26 Nov 09

Panoptes says...

If only voting Labour got us a Labour administration. Alas, at every election we get a ghastly fudge. Time alone will tell = but I wouldn't hold your breath, Councillor.
If only voting Labour got us a Labour administration. Alas, at every election we get a ghastly fudge. Time alone will tell = but I wouldn't hold your breath, Councillor. Panoptes
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6:03pm Thu 26 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable?

Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide?

How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
[quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? Techno2
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6:32pm Thu 26 Nov 09

John001 says...

Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind.

Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through.

It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.
[quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? [/p][/quote]Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points. John001
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11:35pm Thu 26 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.
I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known.

But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views.

As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet.
[quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? [/p][/quote]Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.[/p][/quote]I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet. Techno2
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1:08pm Fri 27 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

Still no comment from Ms Creasy I see....
Still no comment from Ms Creasy I see.... Techno2
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8:18pm Fri 27 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

No, nothing yet...

I expect it will be good when she makes it.
No, nothing yet... I expect it will be good when she makes it. Techno2
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11:28am Sat 28 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

Nor today it seems...

Nor today it seems... Techno2
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11:36am Sat 28 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.
I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet.
So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree.

Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake.

How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia?

[quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? [/p][/quote]Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.[/p][/quote]I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet. [/p][/quote]So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree. Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake. How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia? Techno2
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6:59pm Sat 28 Nov 09

John001 says...

Techno2 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.
I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet.
So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree. Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake. How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia?
Within the three constituent areas of Waltham Forest there are a total of nine candidates from the main political parties who are standing for Parliament (or there will be when Labour sorts itself out in Leyton & Wanstead). So far the only comment on the issue has been from Ian Duncan-Smith. There has been nothing from ANY of the other candidates. And yet you insist in singling out Stella. From this we may "conclude" - as I indicated previously - that you have some sort of personal axe to grind here.

For the record, Stella Creasy was elected councillor in 2002 and stood down in 2006. From such a short term in office, logic dictates that she is more unlikely even to have known about what was going on, let alone to have been involved personally. To infer otherwise simply gives the appearance of a vendetta.



[quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? [/p][/quote]Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.[/p][/quote]I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet. [/p][/quote]So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree. Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake. How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia? [/p][/quote]Within the three constituent areas of Waltham Forest there are a total of nine candidates from the main political parties who are standing for Parliament (or there will be when Labour sorts itself out in Leyton & Wanstead). So far the only comment on the issue has been from Ian Duncan-Smith. There has been nothing from ANY of the other candidates. And yet you insist in singling out Stella. From this we may "conclude" - as I indicated previously - that you have some sort of personal axe to grind here. For the record, Stella Creasy was elected councillor in 2002 and stood down in 2006. From such a short term in office, logic dictates that she is more unlikely even to have known about what was going on, let alone to have been involved personally. To infer otherwise simply gives the appearance of a vendetta. John001
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10:12pm Sat 28 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote:
John001 wrote:
Techno2 wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda.
The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours.
I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election?
Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.
I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet.
So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree. Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake. How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia?
Within the three constituent areas of Waltham Forest there are a total of nine candidates from the main political parties who are standing for Parliament (or there will be when Labour sorts itself out in Leyton & Wanstead). So far the only comment on the issue has been from Ian Duncan-Smith. There has been nothing from ANY of the other candidates. And yet you insist in singling out Stella. From this we may "conclude" - as I indicated previously - that you have some sort of personal axe to grind here. For the record, Stella Creasy was elected councillor in 2002 and stood down in 2006. From such a short term in office, logic dictates that she is more unlikely even to have known about what was going on, let alone to have been involved personally. To infer otherwise simply gives the appearance of a vendetta.
I live in Walthamstow. It is Stella who is the Labour candidate in my area, and with all due respect to the other parties who intend to fight the seat, currently the person most likely to be the MP. (Andy Hemsted has no chance at all, and Farid Ahmed, the Lib Dem candidate was not a councillor, so as much as I expect him to say what he thinks, it will be more infomrative to know what Stella Creasy, a former councillor and Mayor, thinks.) Others who live in other constituencies can and should be asking similar questions of their prospective candidates or sitting MPs if they intend to stand at the next election.
Stella knows all the people involved. She has fought elections on the same ticket as them, as will be fighting one in the coming year, no doubt expecting their support and supporting them in their endeavours to get re-elected if they stand. She was, during the requisite period, elected as a fellow party-member and councillor to look after the interests of the people of this borough, including the poor people who did not benefit because money allocated for their benefit has disappeared.

If she wishes to say that she was in office for four years and knew nothing during that time, then she is, of course entitled to say so. But at the moment she is not even saying that. She is saying zip. It is perfectly reasonable to expect her to say something. That may be a statement supporting her colleagues, or it may be one condeming them. That is up to her. I do not believe she is ignorant of these issues . I think it likely she has some amont of direct knowledge or insight she can give on what was going on and who was doign what.

She could, and I do not alledge this, even conceivably be one of the unnamed people the Independent Panel Report alludes to as playing a protective role for the wrong-doers. She is not required, of course, to say anything which may incriminate herself, as she is certainly innocent until proven guilty

It is also perfectly reasonable to make an adverse political inference if she decides not to take the opportunity to tell people what she knows about what was going on. That would be because people expect more than the code of omerta from the Labour Party, and a Parliamentary Candidate in particular, over an issue as scandalous as this from a person who aspires to represent this constituency in Parliament.

[quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: I see Stella Creasy has said nothing yet about the independent panel report into the appalling incompetence and levels of corrupt practices at Waltham Forest Council. I wonder why not. I would have thought that as an ex-Councillor she would have some valuable insights into corruption and incompetance and be able to share them with us. Does she know who has been protecting the thieves? Instead of speaking out she seems more busy trying to collect peoples' email addresses so she can spam them later with personal election propaganda. [/p][/quote]The report has only just been made public, and already you are complaining that someone who has not been a councillor since early in 2006 has not made some sort of statement! It is obvious that you have Conservative leanings, but your hair-trigger attitude in criticising a hitherto blameless Labour politician does you no favours. [/p][/quote]I have asked her to make a statement about corruption and incompetence going on during a period when, as your response itself indiactes, she was a councillor. In what way is that unreasonable? Why are you so defensive? Do you think she has something to hide? How long, according to you, should we wait for her to discuss a matter of major public interest? Until after the next election? [/p][/quote]Techno, I am not being defensive. I am merely interested in fairness. Stella Creasy was a councillor for one term only. Any 'corruption' at the Town Hall was surely going on before this time and has continued afterwards. There is no suggestion that she was in any way or at any time involved in wrongdoing of any kind. Nevertheless, after the report has been made public for only a matter of hours, you are straight out of the starting blocks criticising her for not commenting about it. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen official comment on the matter from the Conservative or Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidates either. And yet I have seen no criticism from you toward them. This is where your personal bias shows through. It appears to me that you are less concerned with corruption at the Town Hall than you are with scoring political points.[/p][/quote]I would welcome statements from the other parties as well - in fact I notice a Conservative making comment, here. The LibDems, who were not part of the adminsitration during the entire requisite period should certainly be letting their views be known. But any silence on their part does not absolve the responsibility of the prosepective Prliamentary candidate for thre Labour party of letting us know her views. As for the idea that she has not had time - I accept that if she has been living on the moon, this will have caught her by surprise, but if she is 'Working for Walthamstow' she will not have been out of the loop and been unaware of the issues or the Independent Panel Report . She has had plenty of time to understand this issue, to relate it to her personal experiences and be in a position to enlighten us all of her views. I note that she has not done so yet. [/p][/quote]So John001, what are we to conlcude? Stella Creasy who was a Councillor at the requisite time has made no statement yet about the corruption and theft which went on during her time as a councillor, and we have an inpdenedent Panel report which remarks about the way that some councillors are implicated to some degree. Of course, she is Innocent until proven Guilty and has a Right To Remain Silent, but her total silence so far on this pressing issue about how money was stolen from the poor of Walthamstow is beginning to smell a bit fishy. She aspires to go to Parliament for goodness sake. How much longer do we have to wait for someone honest in the Labour Party to step up to their responsibilities to the public? The public have a right to know know what was really going on and who among these councillors is protecting who and why? Is there not even one honest person among them willing to give evidence to the public about the rest of the mafia? [/p][/quote]Within the three constituent areas of Waltham Forest there are a total of nine candidates from the main political parties who are standing for Parliament (or there will be when Labour sorts itself out in Leyton & Wanstead). So far the only comment on the issue has been from Ian Duncan-Smith. There has been nothing from ANY of the other candidates. And yet you insist in singling out Stella. From this we may "conclude" - as I indicated previously - that you have some sort of personal axe to grind here. For the record, Stella Creasy was elected councillor in 2002 and stood down in 2006. From such a short term in office, logic dictates that she is more unlikely even to have known about what was going on, let alone to have been involved personally. To infer otherwise simply gives the appearance of a vendetta. [/p][/quote]I live in Walthamstow. It is Stella who is the Labour candidate in my area, and with all due respect to the other parties who intend to fight the seat, currently the person most likely to be the MP. (Andy Hemsted has no chance at all, and Farid Ahmed, the Lib Dem candidate was not a councillor, so as much as I expect him to say what he thinks, it will be more infomrative to know what Stella Creasy, a former councillor and Mayor, thinks.) Others who live in other constituencies can and should be asking similar questions of their prospective candidates or sitting MPs if they intend to stand at the next election. Stella knows all the people involved. She has fought elections on the same ticket as them, as will be fighting one in the coming year, no doubt expecting their support and supporting them in their endeavours to get re-elected if they stand. She was, during the requisite period, elected as a fellow party-member and councillor to look after the interests of the people of this borough, including the poor people who did not benefit because money allocated for their benefit has disappeared. If she wishes to say that she was in office for four years and knew nothing during that time, then she is, of course entitled to say so. But at the moment she is not even saying that. She is saying zip. It is perfectly reasonable to expect her to say something. That may be a statement supporting her colleagues, or it may be one condeming them. That is up to her. I do not believe she is ignorant of these issues . I think it likely she has some amont of direct knowledge or insight she can give on what was going on and who was doign what. She could, and I do not alledge this, even conceivably be one of the unnamed people the Independent Panel Report alludes to as playing a protective role for the wrong-doers. She is not required, of course, to say anything which may incriminate herself, as she is certainly innocent until proven guilty It is also perfectly reasonable to make an adverse political inference if she decides not to take the opportunity to tell people what she knows about what was going on. That would be because people expect more than the code of omerta from the Labour Party, and a Parliamentary Candidate in particular, over an issue as scandalous as this from a person who aspires to represent this constituency in Parliament. Techno2
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10:16pm Sat 28 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

And, for the record, another day has gone by and there is still no statement from Stella Creasy...
And, for the record, another day has gone by and there is still no statement from Stella Creasy... Techno2
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5:00pm Sun 29 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

And another...
And another... Techno2
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11:05am Mon 30 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

Let's see what today brings in terms of 'Working for Walthamstow' shall we?
Let's see what today brings in terms of 'Working for Walthamstow' shall we? Techno2
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10:16pm Mon 30 Nov 09

Techno2 says...

Nothing.
Nothing. Techno2
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12:48pm Tue 1 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

Nothing this morning either.
Nothing this morning either. Techno2
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4:52pm Tue 1 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

Or afternoon, it seems...
Or afternoon, it seems... Techno2
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5:07pm Tue 1 Dec 09

John001 says...

Techno, you bring a whole new dimension to the term 'boring'.

From what I know of Stella, she is very good at responding to questions emailed directly via her website. Have you even bothered to take this course of action? I am guessing that you have not, in which case I suggest that you do so and thus obtain the comment that you so crave directly from the source.
Hopefully this will be enough for you to stop your constant unnecessary and unworthy sniping (or at least enough for you to stop boring the pants off the rest of us).
Techno, you bring a whole new dimension to the term 'boring'. From what I know of Stella, she is very good at responding to questions emailed directly via her website. Have you even bothered to take this course of action? I am guessing that you have not, in which case I suggest that you do so and thus obtain the comment that you so crave directly from the source. Hopefully this will be enough for you to stop your constant unnecessary and unworthy sniping (or at least enough for you to stop boring the pants off the rest of us). John001
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10:54am Wed 2 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

John001 wrote:
Techno, you bring a whole new dimension to the term 'boring'. From what I know of Stella, she is very good at responding to questions emailed directly via her website. Have you even bothered to take this course of action? I am guessing that you have not, in which case I suggest that you do so and thus obtain the comment that you so crave directly from the source. Hopefully this will be enough for you to stop your constant unnecessary and unworthy sniping (or at least enough for you to stop boring the pants off the rest of us).
Her sending me an email I can't then publish without her permission defeats the object. She should be talking to the voters at large about what she knows about the theft of this money, not hiding away from the public.

Yes, it is boring. It bores me too. But sometimes, you have to be persitient to get the truth out of political operators.

Thanks for your concern John, but I am waiting for an answer from her, not her spin doctor. I note that I have not got one.
[quote][p][bold]John001[/bold] wrote: Techno, you bring a whole new dimension to the term 'boring'. From what I know of Stella, she is very good at responding to questions emailed directly via her website. Have you even bothered to take this course of action? I am guessing that you have not, in which case I suggest that you do so and thus obtain the comment that you so crave directly from the source. Hopefully this will be enough for you to stop your constant unnecessary and unworthy sniping (or at least enough for you to stop boring the pants off the rest of us).[/p][/quote]Her sending me an email I can't then publish without her permission defeats the object. She should be talking to the voters at large about what she knows about the theft of this money, not hiding away from the public. Yes, it is boring. It bores me too. But sometimes, you have to be persitient to get the truth out of political operators. Thanks for your concern John, but I am waiting for an answer from her, not her spin doctor. I note that I have not got one. Techno2
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6:02pm Wed 2 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

Another day, and still no word from Ms Creasy.... I am really beginning to be concerned for her. She is usually so eager to engage with the public.
Another day, and still no word from Ms Creasy.... I am really beginning to be concerned for her. She is usually so eager to engage with the public. Techno2
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2:06pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

More of the same indifference today I see
More of the same indifference today I see Techno2
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6:02pm Fri 4 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

And today
And today Techno2
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4:08pm Sun 6 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

Yesterday she Saved the World, so I will let her off making a statement, but what about today? Nothing.
Yesterday she Saved the World, so I will let her off making a statement, but what about today? Nothing. Techno2
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