Waltham Forest Cycling Campaign releases report on cycling in the borough

A CYCLING group has released a report on the good and bad aspects of cycling in the borough.

The Waltham Forest Cycling Campaign surveyed cyclists at this year's Tour de Waltham Forest and included issues raised during a series of "Movers & Shakers" rides around the borough with key council officers and councillors during Bike Week.

Cyclists surveyed at the Tour de Waltham Forest said that "bad drivers" and "scary road conditions" - including poor road maintenance - were the biggest barrier to people cycling more.

The things liked about the area are its off road, quiet routes including, the Lea Valley and Epping Forest.

And, according to the Waltham Forest Cycling Campaign, the key issues called for on the Movers and Shakers bike rides were, more funding and better consultation for cycle-friendly road design; better maintenance; an urgent need to tackle dangerous drivers and the opportunity through the Olympics to unlock cycle funding for the south of the borough.

Simon Munk, Waltham Forest Cycling Campaign's Movers and Shakers coordinator, said: "Waltham Forest's already a good area to cycle around. But now the council have heard loud and clear what the key issues for cyclists are.

"Getting key movers and shakers in the council out on bikes, including council leader Chris Robbins and deputy leader John Macklin, really helped get them to see those issues from a cyclist's perspective.

"That should mean an even better borough for cycling in the future."

The Waltham Forest Cycling Campaign works to improve conditions for the cyclists in the borough, and organises social rides and cycle-themed events. For more information go to www.wfcycling.org.uk

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5:05pm Wed 9 Dec 09

Touchwood says...

Having driven as employment for over 30 years it seems to me that a LOT of cyclists have little or no regard for their own, or others, safety, especially the light jumpers, pavement riders and those who choose to undertake large vehicles. True that some motorists are a danger but the vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!
Having driven as employment for over 30 years it seems to me that a LOT of cyclists have little or no regard for their own, or others, safety, especially the light jumpers, pavement riders and those who choose to undertake large vehicles. True that some motorists are a danger but the vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers! Touchwood
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10:52pm Wed 9 Dec 09

PsiMonk says...

Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!"

Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase.

My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc.

Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents.

The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists.

Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year.

So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads?

Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do.

I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists!
Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists! PsiMonk
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11:30pm Wed 9 Dec 09

Techno2 says...

PsiMonk wrote:
Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists!
Cyclists and motorists are pretty much as bad (or as good) as each other. They are often selfish and will many try and break the law when they think they can get away with it.

I once saw a cyclist forcing a pedestrian off pavements into the path of a truck and ride on as if she couldn't care less. She was a work colleague. She was very very shocked when I caught up with her at the office and told her I had seen exactly how she behaved on her way to work. Off her bike butter wouldn't melt in her mouth - but it was as if she was another person on it. Many car drivers are the same.
[quote][p][bold]PsiMonk[/bold] wrote: Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists![/p][/quote]Cyclists and motorists are pretty much as bad (or as good) as each other. They are often selfish and will many try and break the law when they think they can get away with it. I once saw a cyclist forcing a pedestrian off pavements into the path of a truck and ride on as if she couldn't care less. She was a work colleague. She was very very shocked when I caught up with her at the office and told her I had seen exactly how she behaved on her way to work. Off her bike butter wouldn't melt in her mouth - but it was as if she was another person on it. Many car drivers are the same. Techno2
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1:02am Thu 10 Dec 09

Touchwood says...

PsiMonk wrote:
Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists!
My guess is you are a lot younger than I. I have been both a cyclist and a driver, the latter for over 40 years. I totally agree with you that there are motorists who are a danger on the roads (and sometimes the pavements). I personally wouldn't let some of them near a car showroom let alone behind the wheel! But in all the time I have been driving I have not seen people put themselves in so much danger as a lot of cyclists do these days. I know the roads today are more hazardous than when I was riding and probably life is a lot quicker but personal safety should be paramount. Please don't tar all of us 'steel box' drivers with the same brush and please tell your cycling friends not to take unnecessary risks. As for my cycling, these days I think I would be a real hazard with my old arthritic bones!!
[quote][p][bold]PsiMonk[/bold] wrote: Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists![/p][/quote]My guess is you are a lot younger than I. I have been both a cyclist and a driver, the latter for over 40 years. I totally agree with you that there are motorists who are a danger on the roads (and sometimes the pavements). I personally wouldn't let some of them near a car showroom let alone behind the wheel! But in all the time I have been driving I have not seen people put themselves in so much danger as a lot of cyclists do these days. I know the roads today are more hazardous than when I was riding and probably life is a lot quicker but personal safety should be paramount. Please don't tar all of us 'steel box' drivers with the same brush and please tell your cycling friends not to take unnecessary risks. As for my cycling, these days I think I would be a real hazard with my old arthritic bones!! Touchwood
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4:37pm Thu 10 Dec 09

PsiMonk says...

The roads are more dangerous now because they're more crowded. And because people drive foolishly given road conditions.

Originally you said the vast majority of motorists are safe. I said they're not, now you appear to agree with me. You can't have it every way!

Touchwood: "I have not seen people put themselves in so much danger as a lot of cyclists do these days."

On the other hand, I've no problem with your point that too many cyclists behave idiotically on the roads (and, yes, pavements). Too many do - but of those that do, few represent a danger to anyone other than themselves. But motorists who drive thoughtlessly, aggressively or dangeously are a serious threat to others. That's the difference I was trying to point out.

So rather than pointing the finger at cyclists who behave stupidly, I believe it's high time we pointed the finger at the far more dangerous car drivers who behave stupidly.
The roads are more dangerous now because they're more crowded. And because people drive foolishly given road conditions. Originally you said the vast majority of motorists are safe. I said they're not, now you appear to agree with me. You can't have it every way! Touchwood: "I have not seen people put themselves in so much danger as a lot of cyclists do these days." On the other hand, I've no problem with your point that too many cyclists behave idiotically on the roads (and, yes, pavements). Too many do - but of those that do, few represent a danger to anyone other than themselves. But motorists who drive thoughtlessly, aggressively or dangeously are a serious threat to others. That's the difference I was trying to point out. So rather than pointing the finger at cyclists who behave stupidly, I believe it's high time we pointed the finger at the far more dangerous car drivers who behave stupidly. PsiMonk
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3:46pm Fri 11 Dec 09

AirForceOne says...

PsiMonk wrote:
Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!"

Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase.

My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc.

Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents.

The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists.

Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year.

So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads?

Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do.

I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists!
What a nonsense attitude. Cyclists are as bad as horse-riders. Totally inappropriate modes of transport for modern roads.
For cyclists to be safe they need physically segregated lanes - not just some paint on the tarmac.
If they want to use the road then they must adhere to road signs. Just becuase some car drivers dont bother it is not a reason for cyclists to not bother.
Cyclists are far more arrogant than car drivers. And any cyclist that tries to undertake a bendy bus or juggernaut is just plain stupid.
[quote][p][bold]PsiMonk[/bold] wrote: Touchwood: "The vast majority of us just want to get to where we are going without having to avoid, sometimes rather drastically, the suicidal action of these pedal-pushers!" Every time I go to the junction of High Street and Hoe Street, Walthamstow, I can see drivers piling through the red light at every phase. My mrs calls Hoe Street the "assault course" as impatient drivers swing into and out of side roads without signalling or indicating routinely, many yakking away on mobiles etc. Waltham Forest is very high up the list in London for uninsured, unMOTed drivers and hit-and-run incidents. The Evening Standard surveyed key junctions in central London a while ago and found far more motor vehicles going through red lights than cyclists. Let's finish on "pavement riders" that have across the UK killed two people in 10 years. Motorists kill around 50 people on pavements a year. So, a significant minority of motorists are dangerous idiots. Probably the same proportion that are idiots among cyclists. But one lot are driving a massive steel box and the other lot aren't. Which should you be wary of? And which need more control on the roads? Finally, as you may be able to guess, I'm the guy who put together the Movers & Shakers rides. I think it was really brave of councillors and council officers to actually be willing to ride the roads they're responsible for. And I've no doubt it gave some of them a very different perspective on why cyclists behave the way they do. I'd extend the same challenge to you, Touchwood. Cycle around Waltham Forest for a week or two. Then come back and tell us what you think about cyclists and motorists![/p][/quote]What a nonsense attitude. Cyclists are as bad as horse-riders. Totally inappropriate modes of transport for modern roads. For cyclists to be safe they need physically segregated lanes - not just some paint on the tarmac. If they want to use the road then they must adhere to road signs. Just becuase some car drivers dont bother it is not a reason for cyclists to not bother. Cyclists are far more arrogant than car drivers. And any cyclist that tries to undertake a bendy bus or juggernaut is just plain stupid. AirForceOne
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