CHINGFORD: Residents hit out at traffic plan "sham"

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Residents in George Road, Chingford, say their views have been ignored Residents in George Road, Chingford, say their views have been ignored

RESIDENTS who are facing the prospect of up to 88 buses a day travelling through their quiet street claim their views were ignored during a “flawed” council consultation.

The W11 service will be re-routed into George Road in Chingford, which will also become one-way, under proposals to improve traffic flow in the area.

But despite 65 per cent of respondents rejecting the plans, they have been told the scheme will go ahead anyway.

Resident John Lenehan, 56, said: "The whole process has just been a sham and these plans seem to have been pushed through as fast as possible.

"If they consult people about something, they need to take into account people's views, but they have ignored the views of people in George Road.

"The whole consultation process has been seriously flawed and local residents have been denied any meaningful opportunity to express their views on proposals which will have such a dramatic impact on their lives and environment."

The scheme will see three roads in the area become one-way and George Road, which is not currently part of a bus route, established as the main access into Chingford Hall Estate.

Residents estimate 88 buses will travel along the road every day and traffic will increase dramatically.

Households were informed by the council’s Environment and Regeneration department of the proposal for 11 traffic improvement measures which, residents claim, did not mention the re-routing of the bus route.

They also say documents stated that households which do not respond would be considered in favour of the scheme.

Another resident, Michael Squires, 63, said: "We have had meetings with traffic planning officers and they say they don't need to consult or to take any notice of the results.

"But these plans will cause disruption and increased pollution and noise. We have to try any way we can to fight it."

The plans have been approved by the council, but residents say a six-month trial has been suggested, with the possibility the scheme could be reviewed if it doesn't work.

The Guardian is awaiting a response from the council.

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12:02pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle.
The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle. Helen, Walthamstow

12:03pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle.
The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle. Helen, Walthamstow

12:16pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Redfox says...

Isn't the solution for George Road resident's clear? Just organise themselves into pro-active body and 'disrupt' by peaceful protest. There's no law against it.
First you constantly cross and re-cross the road at a junction where pedestrians have PRIORITY - not vehicles.
Next you can occasionally have a 'breakdown' in your car that accidentally stalls in the middle of the road.

ps I don't yet think the general public have actually realised the power TFL weald over local councils. Everyone must take better account of what is written and said about 'how' highway improvements are funded. It's in lots of council documents and statements, and has been so for years.
You only have yourselves to blame for not reading enough!
Isn't the solution for George Road resident's clear? Just organise themselves into pro-active body and 'disrupt' by peaceful protest. There's no law against it. First you constantly cross and re-cross the road at a junction where pedestrians have PRIORITY - not vehicles. Next you can occasionally have a 'breakdown' in your car that accidentally stalls in the middle of the road. ps I don't yet think the general public have actually realised the power TFL weald over local councils. Everyone must take better account of what is written and said about 'how' highway improvements are funded. It's in lots of council documents and statements, and has been so for years. You only have yourselves to blame for not reading enough! Redfox

5:46pm Thu 8 Apr 10

myopinioncounts says...

"They also say documents stated that households which do not respond would be considered in favour of the scheme."
This is becoming a clever ploy used by the council to push through unpopular plans. Households that do not respond may be non English speakers and/or people who do not give a **** about what happens in a road where they may be only temporary residents.

It is undemocratic and probably illegal for the council to consider non responders to be in favour of a scheme.
"They also say documents stated that households which do not respond would be considered in favour of the scheme." This is becoming a clever ploy used by the council to push through unpopular plans. Households that do not respond may be non English speakers and/or people who do not give a **** about what happens in a road where they may be only temporary residents. It is undemocratic and probably illegal for the council to consider non responders to be in favour of a scheme. myopinioncounts

9:11am Fri 9 Apr 10

ITISMEAGAIN says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle.
Nobody ever consults the people that these changes affect. Like Councillor Bob Belham Stopped the Monday Parking,for Disabled Drivers, In High Street E17. He said it was because pedestrians were affraid of being run over.Buses should not be allowed on these residential roads,that are only wide enough for a large van.Making these roads one way makes them faster,Ignoring pedestrian safety. The next thing will be parking restrictions for residents,when the buses have trouble getting through
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: The 230 double decker bus passes through Fyfield Road, Avon Road and Bisterne Avenue, Walthamstow, four or five times every hour for more than 20 hours a day. No-one at London Transport has ever paid any attention to the complaints of residents in these quiet hilly streets. I'm afraid this is typical of the way the authorities behave in these cases. This route too was introduced without consultation, even when the original single deckers were replaced and the hours of operation were extended to cover 4.55am to 1.27am. Good luck to those in George Road, but I'm afraid they are fighting an unwinnable battle.[/p][/quote]Nobody ever consults the people that these changes affect. Like Councillor Bob Belham Stopped the Monday Parking,for Disabled Drivers, In High Street E17. He said it was because pedestrians were affraid of being run over.Buses should not be allowed on these residential roads,that are only wide enough for a large van.Making these roads one way makes them faster,Ignoring pedestrian safety. The next thing will be parking restrictions for residents,when the buses have trouble getting through ITISMEAGAIN

1:29pm Fri 9 Apr 10

Ulysses31 says...

I can tell from just the picture that having a bus route on that road is a poor idea.
I can tell from just the picture that having a bus route on that road is a poor idea. Ulysses31

3:33pm Fri 9 Apr 10

April Showers says...

The picture also shows plenty of parked cars - could this perhaps explain the residents' antipathy to the public transport option? This would be par for the course for Chingford - self-satisfied and selfish.
The picture also shows plenty of parked cars - could this perhaps explain the residents' antipathy to the public transport option? This would be par for the course for Chingford - self-satisfied and selfish. April Showers

4:10pm Fri 9 Apr 10

mr rusty says...

There is no need at all for this- are the folks in Chingford hall incapable of walking the short distance to Chingford Mount rd to catch a bus then? if only Ii had even one bus route only 10 minutes walk from my house!!! For gawds sake they already have phenomenally good access to public transport only a short distance away, there's no need for it to be routed down narrow streets right to their front doors!!!
There is no need at all for this- are the folks in Chingford hall incapable of walking the short distance to Chingford Mount rd to catch a bus then? if only Ii had even one bus route only 10 minutes walk from my house!!! For gawds sake they already have phenomenally good access to public transport only a short distance away, there's no need for it to be routed down narrow streets right to their front doors!!! mr rusty

4:12pm Fri 9 Apr 10

Ulysses31 says...

You can see a lot of parked cars as the homes do not have driveways, it's not uncommon for each home to possess at least one vehicle. Go past any homes with driveways in any area and you'll normally find at least one car parked on each drive, but the road will be vehicle free. If you streetview the road you'll see 72 terraced houses cramped on a small road so how many spaces do you think there should be?
You can see a lot of parked cars as the homes do not have driveways, it's not uncommon for each home to possess at least one vehicle. Go past any homes with driveways in any area and you'll normally find at least one car parked on each drive, but the road will be vehicle free. If you streetview the road you'll see 72 terraced houses cramped on a small road so how many spaces do you think there should be? Ulysses31

5:18pm Fri 9 Apr 10

April Showers says...

None, Ulysses31, when there's now a perfectly good bus service. QED!
None, Ulysses31, when there's now a perfectly good bus service. QED! April Showers

3:39pm Sat 10 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

For goodness sake, April Showers. As you can see from my sign-in, I don't live in Chingford but I think your comment is gratuitously insulting to the people that do.

The issue here is the problems caused by the handful of bus routes which go down narrow residential streets. Buses are as big as (and bigger than some) lorries. They should be confined to main roads which were built to contain them. They can't be treated like taxis delivering people to their own doors.

You seem to have a "thing" about car owners, April Showers. I'm not a driver myself, but you can't tell people they should not use one of the most useful forms of transport around. I travel on the buses daily and they drive me nuts! The aisles are blocked with prams and shopping trolleys. The seats are too few and too narrow. The shouty children and constant mobile phone conversations make me feel very relieved when I get off, the bus moves away and what seems like silence - even in a busy street - descends!
For goodness sake, April Showers. As you can see from my sign-in, I don't live in Chingford but I think your comment is gratuitously insulting to the people that do. The issue here is the problems caused by the handful of bus routes which go down narrow residential streets. Buses are as big as (and bigger than some) lorries. They should be confined to main roads which were built to contain them. They can't be treated like taxis delivering people to their own doors. You seem to have a "thing" about car owners, April Showers. I'm not a driver myself, but you can't tell people they should not use one of the most useful forms of transport around. I travel on the buses daily and they drive me nuts! The aisles are blocked with prams and shopping trolleys. The seats are too few and too narrow. The shouty children and constant mobile phone conversations make me feel very relieved when I get off, the bus moves away and what seems like silence - even in a busy street - descends! Helen, Walthamstow

3:55pm Mon 12 Apr 10

April Showers says...

And you call me gratuitously insulting, Helen! At least I confine my misanthropy to the burghers of Chingford and not to humanity in general. Heaven forfend that we should actually have to share public transport with 'the great unwashed'!
And you call me gratuitously insulting, Helen! At least I confine my misanthropy to the burghers of Chingford and not to humanity in general. Heaven forfend that we should actually have to share public transport with 'the great unwashed'! April Showers

4:08pm Mon 12 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

It's nothing to fo with the great unwashed or misanthropy etc, April Showers. It's to do with folk who never fold their foldable prams and crowd the aisles when the area set aside for them is full; who stick their shopping trolleys in the passage instead of trying to keep them out of the way; with parents who can't be bothered keeping their children in check; and with folk who insist on sharing every moment of their lives with us on their mobile phones. And I could add those who feel it necessary to share their music with us all.

I've travelled on buses all my life and couldn't get around without them (so long may they survive - though not in narrow residential streets), but I can't pretend it's a pleasurable experience any more.

Now are you going to tell me you are comfortable with prams, trolleys, screaming kids, mobile phones and music?
It's nothing to fo with the great unwashed or misanthropy etc, April Showers. It's to do with folk who never fold their foldable prams and crowd the aisles when the area set aside for them is full; who stick their shopping trolleys in the passage instead of trying to keep them out of the way; with parents who can't be bothered keeping their children in check; and with folk who insist on sharing every moment of their lives with us on their mobile phones. And I could add those who feel it necessary to share their music with us all. I've travelled on buses all my life and couldn't get around without them (so long may they survive - though not in narrow residential streets), but I can't pretend it's a pleasurable experience any more. Now are you going to tell me you are comfortable with prams, trolleys, screaming kids, mobile phones and music? Helen, Walthamstow

9:34am Tue 13 Apr 10

hotredman says...

The buses used on the W11 are narrower than the trucks used for refuse collection by the council. So maybe they should also ban refuse collection as the vehicles are too wide and big for these streets by the people on here say.
As for the 230 double deckers they are the same width as the refuse trucks.
The buses used on the W11 are narrower than the trucks used for refuse collection by the council. So maybe they should also ban refuse collection as the vehicles are too wide and big for these streets by the people on here say. As for the 230 double deckers they are the same width as the refuse trucks. hotredman

10:17am Tue 13 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Hotredman, you get at the most three refuse trucks in your street each week (black and brown bins and recycling). Buses on the other hand pass through generally four or five times an hour for up to 20 hours a day. There is a difference.
Hotredman, you get at the most three refuse trucks in your street each week (black and brown bins and recycling). Buses on the other hand pass through generally four or five times an hour for up to 20 hours a day. There is a difference. Helen, Walthamstow

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