WALTHAM FOREST: Police defend lack of disclosure over stabbings

WALTHAM FOREST: Police defend lack of disclosure over stabbings

WALTHAM FOREST: Police defend lack of disclosure over stabbings

First published in Waltham Forest East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

THE chief police officer in Waltham Forest has said information about stabbings should only be released if it "adds value" to fighting crime.

Borough commander Steve Wisbey made the comments in defence of his force after the Guardian revealed that 73 per cent of knife attacks in the borough were not made public last year.

Figures obtained by this newspaper show a total of 139 people were injured and two killed in stabbings in 2010.

Mr Wisbey said that too much information released to the media would "make it difficult to see the wood for the trees".

But he said he welcomed the Government's new crime maps which show details of crimes on individual streets in the borough.

He said: "I am a big supporter of releasing and sharing information with the public because it's only by informing the public that they can make an educated contribution.

"If we don't tell the public how can we jointly find solutions to problems.

"The only problem with crime maps is that it provides a snap shot. You might have a particularly bad day when lots of cars are broken into in a car park. There might not have been any break-ins the previous few months, but on the maps it shows up as a crime hot spot."

On the question of information about stabbings, Mr Wisbey said: "Publicity has to have some added value. With stabbings we have to ask if it's going to help an investigation.

"Some victims say quite strongly that they don't want it released to the media and a lot of violence is domestic.

"We also have to balance the needs of the investigation and the needs of the public. If you have an incident that has resulted in someone being stabbed in a house there's no impact on the wider community but where there is serious violence in a public place that would."

Mr Wisbey said he could not say what proportion of stabbings were domestic and what were gang or robbery related without a close examination of the figures.

He added: "Of course I'm concerned about knife crime but we have a range of tactics to deal with it and the long term trend over the past five years is that the number of violent incidents is coming down."

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12:28pm Wed 9 Feb 11

bozzer70 says...

It seems that they do not disclose anything that would make them look inept as usual? they are always keen to tell us how wonderful things are when clearly the reality is that things are not!
It seems that they do not disclose anything that would make them look inept as usual? they are always keen to tell us how wonderful things are when clearly the reality is that things are not! bozzer70
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1:35pm Wed 9 Feb 11

Walthamstow noob says...

"Publicity has to have some added value..."

Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen.

Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.
"Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG. Walthamstow noob
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2:26pm Wed 9 Feb 11

Seeing Sense says...

"they are always keen to tell us how wonderful things are when clearly the reality is that things are not!"

Nor are they as bad as this paper seems intent on making them seem.
"they are always keen to tell us how wonderful things are when clearly the reality is that things are not!" Nor are they as bad as this paper seems intent on making them seem. Seeing Sense
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2:30pm Wed 9 Feb 11

bozzer70 says...

Walthamstow noob wrote:
"Publicity has to have some added value..."

Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen.

Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.
Posed by a model?
[quote][p][bold]Walthamstow noob[/bold] wrote: "Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.[/p][/quote]Posed by a model? bozzer70
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3:33pm Wed 9 Feb 11

Walthamstow noob says...

bozzer70 wrote:
Walthamstow noob wrote: "Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.
Posed by a model?
Not a hand model methinks, look at those fingernails!
[quote][p][bold]bozzer70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamstow noob[/bold] wrote: "Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.[/p][/quote]Posed by a model?[/p][/quote]Not a hand model methinks, look at those fingernails! Walthamstow noob
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5:10pm Wed 9 Feb 11

AvidLondonReader says...

I noticed they haven't said how they are dealing with it but then again they never do. Probably another consultation fee will be paid out to some other inept consultant whose last recommendations failed also.
Round up the gangs, supposedly they know who they are already, so stop **** footing around and get on with it.
I noticed they haven't said how they are dealing with it but then again they never do. Probably another consultation fee will be paid out to some other inept consultant whose last recommendations failed also. Round up the gangs, supposedly they know who they are already, so stop **** footing around and get on with it. AvidLondonReader
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5:52pm Wed 9 Feb 11

EducateCommunities says...

Pretending that knife crime is not a issue by hiding the facts is a disgrace from the TOP officer in charge of the borough.

How can you defend not making 73% of knife crime public then talk about how concerned you are about it.

Poor excuses like not doing a close examination of the figures does not make any sense, they are police stats not public stats and you do not release them so what is the point of making them.

Hypocrite is what springs to mind, come on now if you expect to deliver the police pledge at least START WITH THE TRUTH.
Pretending that knife crime is not a issue by hiding the facts is a disgrace from the TOP officer in charge of the borough. How can you defend not making 73% of knife crime public then talk about how concerned you are about it. Poor excuses like not doing a close examination of the figures does not make any sense, they are police stats not public stats and you do not release them so what is the point of making them. Hypocrite is what springs to mind, come on now if you expect to deliver the police pledge at least START WITH THE TRUTH. EducateCommunities
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9:59pm Wed 9 Feb 11

Red-Squirrel says...

Walthamstow noob wrote:
bozzer70 wrote:
Walthamstow noob wrote: "Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.
Posed by a model?
Not a hand model methinks, look at those fingernails!
Why is it that whenever papers or ad agencies use a model for crimes such as this, benefit fraud or general anti-social behavour, they always use a white person. Personally I find it a bit racist.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamstow noob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bozzer70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamstow noob[/bold] wrote: "Publicity has to have some added value..." Funnily enough Mr Wisbey, I value not getting stabbed! I would certainly value knowing which areas to avoid to make that less likely to happen. Love the big scary commando knife picture by the way WFG.[/p][/quote]Posed by a model?[/p][/quote]Not a hand model methinks, look at those fingernails![/p][/quote]Why is it that whenever papers or ad agencies use a model for crimes such as this, benefit fraud or general anti-social behavour, they always use a white person. Personally I find it a bit racist. Red-Squirrel
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11:52pm Thu 10 Feb 11

Sam Hain says...

The police are a public service (and actually called so now, no longer a force) therefore all information that is not prejudicial to securing a conviction or would put someone at risk should be in the public domain. I think members of the public (bozzer70, rubberneck or whoever notwithstanding) are mature enough to make up their own minds based on the facts but need the fullest possible disclosure in order to be able to do so properly.
The police are a public service (and actually called so now, no longer a force) therefore all information that is not prejudicial to securing a conviction or would put someone at risk should be in the public domain. I think members of the public (bozzer70, rubberneck or whoever notwithstanding) are mature enough to make up their own minds based on the facts but need the fullest possible disclosure in order to be able to do so properly. Sam Hain
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