CHINGFORD: Welfare groups downplay Stow racing bid involvement

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: CHINGFORD: Animal welfare groups downplay involvement with Stow racing bid CHINGFORD: Animal welfare groups downplay involvement with Stow racing bid

TWO animal welfare organisations have said they do not support a the return of dog racing to Walthamstow Stadium, despite previous claims that they were working on a proposal to reopen the venue.

The site's owner, London and Quadrant (L&Q), has submitted a planning application to build a 300-home housing estate on the Chingford Road site.

But millionaire businessman Bob Morton wants to buy the stadium and re-introduce dog racing alongside housing.

Mr Morton, supporters of the Save Our Stow (SOS) campaign and Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy have all said he has been working with the League Against Cruel Sports and the Dogs Trust to ensure that greyhounds will be treated well if his plans become a reality.

But the organisations have moved to downplay their involvement after animal rights campaigners complained to the Dogs Trust.

Chief executive Clarissa Baldwin said: "[the] Dogs Trust is not involved in the campaign to bring Greyhound racing back to Walthamstow.

"Were planning permission to be granted, our priority would be to ensure the cradle to grave health and welfare of the dogs who train or race at the track.

"At Mr Morton’s request, myself and a representative from the League Against Cruel Sports met with him to discuss whether they would be prepared to advise the new owner about welfare provisions.

"This was something that was agreed in principal in order to make certain that welfare is central to any plans that may or may not be taken forward."

Steve Taylor, the League Against Cruel Sport's head of campaigns, also moved to distance the organisation from Mr Morton’s plans.

He said: "It's true to say that we're engaged on the issue, but no-one should claim that we're supportive. "The League isn't an abolitionist organisation.

Greyhound racing is an industry in welcome long-term decline and it would be disappointing if Walthamstow was to reopen.

"But we are pragmatists and our concern would be for the welfare of the greyhounds and we would be keen to meet with anyone setting up a new track in order to express our concerns and seek assurances."

Two months ago it was announced that Mr Morton was preparing to submit a rival planning application of his proposals to the council, although this is yet to happen.

L&Q insist his plan is not viable.

The consultation into L&Q's plans ends on Monday August 22. Visit the planning section of wwww.walthamforest.gov.uk and search for 2011/0898 to view them.

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5:03pm Fri 5 Aug 11

Eric_NM says...

I'm pleased to see the truth about Morton's fantasies and the groups that had been "working with" SOS. Greyhound racing is on its way out, and bringing it back to the Stow would be a step in the wrong direction for the UK.
I'm pleased to see the truth about Morton's fantasies and the groups that had been "working with" SOS. Greyhound racing is on its way out, and bringing it back to the Stow would be a step in the wrong direction for the UK. Eric_NM

5:49pm Fri 5 Aug 11

Val Wolf says...

Greyhound racing is cruel and inhumane. The greyhounds live in confined, sometimes squalid conditions, and when let out to race, they suffer and die from injuries such as broken limbs, broken necks, paralysis, and cardiac arrest. The greyhounds are short-term investments, valued only as long as they generate a profit for their owners.Their post-racing fate falls to volunteer adoption groups that work tirelessly to adopt retired greyhounds into loving homes. Despite that according to the RSPCA, United Kingdom greyhounds that are injured or are not fast enough disappear at the rate of 20 per day.
For more information on injuries these dogs suffer, please view:

http://www.grey2kusa
.org/azInjuries.html


http://www.grey2kusa
.org/eNEWS/G2K-02281
1Email.html

Dogs play an important role in our lives and deserve to be protected from industries and individuals that do them harm.

Val Wolf Board Member, GREY2K USA
Greyhound racing is cruel and inhumane. The greyhounds live in confined, sometimes squalid conditions, and when let out to race, they suffer and die from injuries such as broken limbs, broken necks, paralysis, and cardiac arrest. The greyhounds are short-term investments, valued only as long as they generate a profit for their owners.Their post-racing fate falls to volunteer adoption groups that work tirelessly to adopt retired greyhounds into loving homes. Despite that according to the RSPCA, United Kingdom greyhounds that are injured or are not fast enough disappear at the rate of 20 per day. For more information on injuries these dogs suffer, please view: http://www.grey2kusa .org/azInjuries.html http://www.grey2kusa .org/eNEWS/G2K-02281 1Email.html Dogs play an important role in our lives and deserve to be protected from industries and individuals that do them harm. Val Wolf Board Member, GREY2K USA Val Wolf

6:56pm Fri 5 Aug 11

greyUK says...

The Dogs Trust cannot of course “ensure the cradle to grave health and welfare of the dogs who train or race at the track.”

I was in communication with the Trust this week on their involvement with Bob Morton and pushed them on this very point. Needless to say the Trust was unable to supply any evidence to support such an idea. To read all emails copy and paste the link below:

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The League take the view greyhound racing on oval tracks can be safe. Repeated requests have been made to the League to back this thinking up with credible evidence but of course no such evidence has been supplied.
The Dogs Trust cannot of course “ensure the cradle to grave health and welfare of the dogs who train or race at the track.” I was in communication with the Trust this week on their involvement with Bob Morton and pushed them on this very point. Needless to say the Trust was unable to supply any evidence to support such an idea. To read all emails copy and paste the link below: https://docs.google. com/viewer?a=v&pid=e xplorer&chrome=true& srcid=0B28e7i1fBdW2O DVhZjlhNjUtZmViZC00N 2I1LThhMzktNzYyYjAwO WI5ODli&hl=en_GB The League take the view greyhound racing on oval tracks can be safe. Repeated requests have been made to the League to back this thinking up with credible evidence but of course no such evidence has been supplied. greyUK

9:34pm Fri 5 Aug 11

falco says...

Cradle to grave is not possible, bearing in mind the vast numbers of young greyhounds that are brought into Britain every year, - approx 25,000 from Ireland. Once they arrive the older slower and injured ones have to be moved on from the trainers kennels, but where to? Some are given lethal injection via Rule 18, the sanctioned killing of healthy greyhounds by the Greyhound Board of GB.

Greyhound racing can only exists at the expense of thousands of greyhounds being killed every year because there just are not enough rescue organisations to take them in and there just are not enough homes to re- home them.

It very straight forward really and depends upon whether one thinks that it's OK for greyhounds to be sacrificed by the thousands, so that humans can be entertained and so that the gambling industry can make money or whether one thinks it isn't OK.

It also doesn't matter what type or kind of track surface they have because it is the fast straights leading into tight bends that cause the injuries.
Cradle to grave is not possible, bearing in mind the vast numbers of young greyhounds that are brought into Britain every year, - approx 25,000 from Ireland. Once they arrive the older slower and injured ones have to be moved on from the trainers kennels, but where to? Some are given lethal injection via Rule 18, the sanctioned killing of healthy greyhounds by the Greyhound Board of GB. Greyhound racing can only exists at the expense of thousands of greyhounds being killed every year because there just are not enough rescue organisations to take them in and there just are not enough homes to re- home them. It very straight forward really and depends upon whether one thinks that it's OK for greyhounds to be sacrificed by the thousands, so that humans can be entertained and so that the gambling industry can make money or whether one thinks it isn't OK. It also doesn't matter what type or kind of track surface they have because it is the fast straights leading into tight bends that cause the injuries. falco

9:05am Sat 6 Aug 11

fredfazz says...

If Greyhound racing is safe Could anyone explain why it is impossible to get insurance to race a greyhound around a track?
Lets face it insurance companies are gamblers too and It seems that while they will bet that a sixteen year olds with over size helmet has a fairly good chance of not doing too much damage with their moped, yet they won't touch the risk of a dog getting safely round a track. Makes you think doesn't it
If Greyhound racing is safe Could anyone explain why it is impossible to get insurance to race a greyhound around a track? Lets face it insurance companies are gamblers too and It seems that while they will bet that a sixteen year olds with over size helmet has a fairly good chance of not doing too much damage with their moped, yet they won't touch the risk of a dog getting safely round a track. Makes you think doesn't it fredfazz

9:53am Sat 6 Aug 11

Greytexploitations says...

During a private members debate in Parliament - Ms Creasy also stated "the League Against Cruel Sports is working with campaigners on the animal welfare principles that would underpin the running of the track"

I think a public apology is in order from Ms Creasy for purposely misleading the Heritage Minister.
During a private members debate in Parliament - Ms Creasy also stated "the League Against Cruel Sports is working with campaigners on the animal welfare principles that would underpin the running of the track" I think a public apology is in order from Ms Creasy for purposely misleading the Heritage Minister. Greytexploitations

10:20am Sat 6 Aug 11

bishbosh says...

The more comments I read the more I realise some have no grasp of the issues surrounding the closure of this track, particularly from the other side of the pond who only hear the painful wailing of abused and injured greyhounds and assume all are treated the same. They rejoice at the loss to the local economy and the 400 full and part time jobs. The creation of another high density, crime ridden development that just does not work in Waltham Forest. Work with the industry to improve things.. start with an accreditation scheme for breeders that includes a cradle to grave passport for every pup borne..without accreditation they cannot be bred or raced. Make all racing properly licensed. To do that the industry needs income from successful tracks like Walthamstow. Closing viable tracks only makes matters worse..do you get it!!
The more comments I read the more I realise some have no grasp of the issues surrounding the closure of this track, particularly from the other side of the pond who only hear the painful wailing of abused and injured greyhounds and assume all are treated the same. They rejoice at the loss to the local economy and the 400 full and part time jobs. The creation of another high density, crime ridden development that just does not work in Waltham Forest. Work with the industry to improve things.. start with an accreditation scheme for breeders that includes a cradle to grave passport for every pup borne..without accreditation they cannot be bred or raced. Make all racing properly licensed. To do that the industry needs income from successful tracks like Walthamstow. Closing viable tracks only makes matters worse..do you get it!! bishbosh

10:51am Sat 6 Aug 11

Greytexploitations says...

@bishbosh
You’ve had 85 years to get your house in order and still thousands of dogs are needlessly suffering and dying every year. No amount of working ‘with the industry’ will ensure the welfare of greyhounds because commercial greyhound racing is dependent on cruel practices for its survival. The income is there now but the bookmakers - who own this industry - chose only to pay a voluntary levy of 0.6% of the total gambled on dogs. It is the bookmakers who make your industry unviable and it is the bookmakers who will benefit most – not the residents of Waltham Forest – should the GAMBLING ON DOGS RETURN TO WALTHAMSTOW.

Get it?
@bishbosh You’ve had 85 years to get your house in order and still thousands of dogs are needlessly suffering and dying every year. No amount of working ‘with the industry’ will ensure the welfare of greyhounds because commercial greyhound racing is dependent on cruel practices for its survival. The income is there now but the bookmakers - who own this industry - chose only to pay a voluntary levy of 0.6% of the total gambled on dogs. It is the bookmakers who make your industry unviable and it is the bookmakers who will benefit most – not the residents of Waltham Forest – should the GAMBLING ON DOGS RETURN TO WALTHAMSTOW. Get it? Greytexploitations

2:18pm Sat 6 Aug 11

waltham says...

nobody takes any notice of the animal rights mob . if you notice they only agree with one another !!

You can't reason with them - just let them rant on .
nobody takes any notice of the animal rights mob . if you notice they only agree with one another !! You can't reason with them - just let them rant on . waltham

8:25pm Sat 6 Aug 11

falco says...

I asked Dogs Trust if would email me the 'press release'.
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"I would like to stress Dogs Trust is not engaged in an active lobbying campaign for or against racing in Walthamstow. We have not seen any proposals for the track nor had any confirmation about the proposed management of the premises therefore it would be impossible for us to discuss specific welfare requirements or give you any detail of what safeguards we would insist are put in place should planning permission be granted".
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Bishop, I guess, when you speak of this "cradle to grave passport for all pups born", you're not including the high numbers of culled pups?
I asked Dogs Trust if would email me the 'press release'. -------------------- ---- "I would like to stress Dogs Trust is not engaged in an active lobbying campaign for or against racing in Walthamstow. We have not seen any proposals for the track nor had any confirmation about the proposed management of the premises therefore it would be impossible for us to discuss specific welfare requirements or give you any detail of what safeguards we would insist are put in place should planning permission be granted". -------------------- --- Bishop, I guess, when you speak of this "cradle to grave passport for all pups born", you're not including the high numbers of culled pups? falco

1:32am Sun 7 Aug 11

Eric_NM says...

waltham wrote:
nobody takes any notice of the animal rights mob . if you notice they only agree with one another !!

You can't reason with them - just let them rant on .
Waltham, did it ever occur to you that the reason so many agree with us is because they share the same opinion, that greyhound racing is cruel, inhumane, and without merit?
[quote][p][bold]waltham[/bold] wrote: nobody takes any notice of the animal rights mob . if you notice they only agree with one another !! You can't reason with them - just let them rant on .[/p][/quote]Waltham, did it ever occur to you that the reason so many agree with us is because they share the same opinion, that greyhound racing is cruel, inhumane, and without merit? Eric_NM

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