Police struggle to keep English Defence League marchers and counter-demonstrators apart in Walthamstow protests

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: EDL supporters during their march EDL supporters during their march

A MARCH by the far-right English Defence League (EDL) escalated into violence today after thousands of anti-fascists turned out to stage their own counter-demonstration.

EDL supporters had planned to set off from Blackhorse Road station in Waltham Forest at 1.30pm, before heading to Forest Road and staging a rally in front of the magistrates’ court.

But a crowd of anti-fascist protestors staged their own march, leaving Walthamstow Town Square flanked by police at 1pm, waving banners, and chanting ‘they shall not pass’.

The crowd was directed from Hoe Street to Bell Corner, where a dozen police vans were used to pen them in.

The delayed EDL march, which numbered only around 300, and was escorted in by almost as many police officers, left Blackhorse Road at 2pm and was diverted down Bromley Road.

Shopkeepers along Hoe Street and Forest Road lowered their metal shutters and locked their premises as the EDL group approached.

Despite police efforts to prevent the two factions meeting, a group of anti-fascists broke away and made it to the Bromley Road turning where fighting started with bottles, flower pots and firecrackers being thrown.

Police have yet to confirm how many arrests have been made.

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5:42pm Sat 1 Sep 12

name1 says...

So it was the far left fascists who attacked the EDL yet the headline blames the EDL

Yet more biased reporting from the dhimmi media
So it was the far left fascists who attacked the EDL yet the headline blames the EDL Yet more biased reporting from the dhimmi media name1

5:50pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Eppingforest1234 says...

At what point does it say the anti-fascists (or far left fascists as you call them) attacked the EDL.
It says a group of anti-fascists broke off and got mixed up with the EDL...how do you know who started getting violent?
Can't believe we're in the 21st Century, yet still ignorant vile people still support the EDL. Very depressing.
At what point does it say the anti-fascists (or far left fascists as you call them) attacked the EDL. It says a group of anti-fascists broke off and got mixed up with the EDL...how do you know who started getting violent? Can't believe we're in the 21st Century, yet still ignorant vile people still support the EDL. Very depressing. Eppingforest1234

5:50pm Sat 1 Sep 12

johnjohn86 says...

"Police struggle to keep English Defence League marchers away from counter-demonstrator
s"

"a group of anti-fascists broke away and made it to the Bromley Road turning where fighting started with bottles, flower pots and firecrackers being thrown".

The best contradictory reporting I've ever read!!!!!!!!!
"Police struggle to keep English Defence League marchers away from counter-demonstrator s" "a group of anti-fascists broke away and made it to the Bromley Road turning where fighting started with bottles, flower pots and firecrackers being thrown". The best contradictory reporting I've ever read!!!!!!!!! johnjohn86

5:53pm Sat 1 Sep 12

myopinioncounts says...

" a group of anti-fascists broke away and made it to the Bromley Road turning where fighting started" - So, the rentamob anti fascists are responsible for the violence. They should have let the EDL have their march - ignored by all, and that would have been the end of it. Will they turn out the next time there is a march by a muslim group?
" a group of anti-fascists broke away and made it to the Bromley Road turning where fighting started" - So, the rentamob anti fascists are responsible for the violence. They should have let the EDL have their march - ignored by all, and that would have been the end of it. Will they turn out the next time there is a march by a muslim group? myopinioncounts

5:59pm Sat 1 Sep 12

red37red says...

not EDL thought then!
so who do we blame ?
not EDL thought then! so who do we blame ? red37red

6:05pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Richard Puller says...

Lets see how many of these `anti fascists` have come out to protest against militant islamists marching through Walthamstow demanding the area come under sharia law. Exactly none. Pathetic and spineless except when it doesn't fit into their marxist ideals. You reap what you sow.....
Lets see how many of these `anti fascists` have come out to protest against militant islamists marching through Walthamstow demanding the area come under sharia law. Exactly none. Pathetic and spineless except when it doesn't fit into their marxist ideals. You reap what you sow..... Richard Puller

6:19pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Arthur22 says...

Yet more bias from the press, violence from the so called antis and the press find a way of blaming the EDL.

What's happened to our media when they can print such lies and get away with it.
Are they all owned by Murdock?
Yet more bias from the press, violence from the so called antis and the press find a way of blaming the EDL. What's happened to our media when they can print such lies and get away with it. Are they all owned by Murdock? Arthur22

6:39pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Sam Hain says...

We had a visit recently from a giant animatronic Lady Godive, a wonderful multi-cultural event enjoyed by a crowd of thousands. The story of Lady Godiva is that when something distasteful happens in the community the best tactic initially is to refuse to endorse it by turning out to watch it. Had the Council's advice to this effect been heeded, none of this would have happened and the EDL would have slunk away to whatever dark corner they came from. Now, they can claim the moral high ground by saying they were attacked by a 'leftie mob' and, as a result, have gained huge publicity, out of all proportion to their size and importance. Talk about an own goal on the part of the 'anti-brigade', who should remember what happened to Peeping Tom!
We had a visit recently from a giant animatronic Lady Godive, a wonderful multi-cultural event enjoyed by a crowd of thousands. The story of Lady Godiva is that when something distasteful happens in the community the best tactic initially is to refuse to endorse it by turning out to watch it. Had the Council's advice to this effect been heeded, none of this would have happened and the EDL would have slunk away to whatever dark corner they came from. Now, they can claim the moral high ground by saying they were attacked by a 'leftie mob' and, as a result, have gained huge publicity, out of all proportion to their size and importance. Talk about an own goal on the part of the 'anti-brigade', who should remember what happened to Peeping Tom! Sam Hain

6:40pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Brisbane says...

I went to see what was happening, and while I was there I saw about 30-40 missiles being thrown - all by the left-wing fascists, not the right-wing ones.
Have to agree this is very poor, biased reporting by the Guardian, not for the first time on this subject (and no, I am not an EDL supporter, just someone who believes in balanced reporting).
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call the demonstrators anti-EDL protesters, rather than anti-fascist, particularly as they appear to be opposed to free speech?
I went to see what was happening, and while I was there I saw about 30-40 missiles being thrown - all by the left-wing fascists, not the right-wing ones. Have to agree this is very poor, biased reporting by the Guardian, not for the first time on this subject (and no, I am not an EDL supporter, just someone who believes in balanced reporting). Wouldn't it be more accurate to call the demonstrators anti-EDL protesters, rather than anti-fascist, particularly as they appear to be opposed to free speech? Brisbane

6:51pm Sat 1 Sep 12

E17David says...

I'm happy Walthamstow stood up to the EDL I don't want to see see the racist, fascist EDL pedalling their lies in my borough.Unfortunatel
y ignoring them doesn't make them go away. That's why I was on the We Are Walthamstow march today.
I'm happy Walthamstow stood up to the EDL I don't want to see see the racist, fascist EDL pedalling their lies in my borough.Unfortunatel y ignoring them doesn't make them go away. That's why I was on the We Are Walthamstow march today. E17David

7:02pm Sat 1 Sep 12

cat-lover says...

Brisbane, the EDL supporters threw beer cans at the anti-EDL protesters. Didn't see that reported by the media.
Brisbane, the EDL supporters threw beer cans at the anti-EDL protesters. Didn't see that reported by the media. cat-lover

7:10pm Sat 1 Sep 12

EssexBoyWonder says...

I don't see how this is biased reporting; it seems more like an objective account of what happened and I doubt everything that occurred over a long protest could be detailed in a local news story.

Also, it is accurate to refer to the counter-protestors as anti-fascist as most were members of unite against fascism and there for that reason.

(Incidentally, I don't belong to either group protesting).
I don't see how this is biased reporting; it seems more like an objective account of what happened and I doubt everything that occurred over a long protest could be detailed in a local news story. Also, it is accurate to refer to the counter-protestors as anti-fascist as most were members of unite against fascism and there for that reason. (Incidentally, I don't belong to either group protesting). EssexBoyWonder

7:14pm Sat 1 Sep 12

faro0485 says...

I was wondering why there was a helicopter in the sky at this hour... well since the morning.
I was wondering why there was a helicopter in the sky at this hour... well since the morning. faro0485

7:23pm Sat 1 Sep 12

gerri@ says...

I photographed the march the entire route. Three firecrackers were set off, the first two at approx. Palmerston Rd and Diana Rd, in other words far away from the anti-EDL marchers. I assumed the third also came from them. At the Bell, one anti-EDL marcher tried to break through the cordon, but they were forced to the ground by an alarming show of police force. The flower pot throwing happened as the EDL were being routed down a side street away from the counter demo. The police at this point had succeeded in keeping the two factions apart and I don't see how it could have been started by the counter demo
I photographed the march the entire route. Three firecrackers were set off, the first two at approx. Palmerston Rd and Diana Rd, in other words far away from the anti-EDL marchers. I assumed the third also came from them. At the Bell, one anti-EDL marcher tried to break through the cordon, but they were forced to the ground by an alarming show of police force. The flower pot throwing happened as the EDL were being routed down a side street away from the counter demo. The police at this point had succeeded in keeping the two factions apart and I don't see how it could have been started by the counter demo gerri@

7:44pm Sat 1 Sep 12

inézc says...

"Police say no evidence to suggest that this would be violent" - whoops!
"Police say no evidence to suggest that this would be violent" - whoops! inézc

7:56pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Brisbane says...

The violence I saw occurred when a group of protesters faced up to a small splinter EDL group standing outside the Town Hall. A hail of bottles (mostly plastic, I think) and flagpoles were thrown at the EDL people, who did nothing in return. I hope the anti-EDL people on this thread will condemn that.
Re EssexBoyWonder - if the protesters believe the only people entitled to free speech are people they happen to agree with, then they are by definition fascists themselves.
The violence I saw occurred when a group of protesters faced up to a small splinter EDL group standing outside the Town Hall. A hail of bottles (mostly plastic, I think) and flagpoles were thrown at the EDL people, who did nothing in return. I hope the anti-EDL people on this thread will condemn that. Re EssexBoyWonder - if the protesters believe the only people entitled to free speech are people they happen to agree with, then they are by definition fascists themselves. Brisbane

7:58pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Rubidium says...

Wow. Some of the people from my own borough make me sick. The UAF, really? You are all a joke... the funniest quote of the day was probably ''oh it's great the local muslim people are supporting us''...

Obviously they are. They want Sharia Law and the EDL don't. Morons. Also I like how the ''peaceful'' UAF were the ones who 'kicked off' today. Hilarious.
Wow. Some of the people from my own borough make me sick. The UAF, really? You are all a joke... the funniest quote of the day was probably ''oh it's great the local muslim people are supporting us''... Obviously they are. They want Sharia Law and the EDL don't. Morons. Also I like how the ''peaceful'' UAF were the ones who 'kicked off' today. Hilarious. Rubidium

8:04pm Sat 1 Sep 12

leyton bus says...

is waltham forest under the law of england or sharia law ? cos i know which 1 i think its under !!
is waltham forest under the law of england or sharia law ? cos i know which 1 i think its under !! leyton bus

8:12pm Sat 1 Sep 12

leyton bus says...

y have the guardian suddenly changed there headline on this story
y have the guardian suddenly changed there headline on this story leyton bus

8:43pm Sat 1 Sep 12

faro0485 says...

Personally I believe these organizations are responsible for causing divide and riot situations. How did a splinter group get through unless... maybe it was the police who let them through... in the end they are responsible.
Personally I believe these organizations are responsible for causing divide and riot situations. How did a splinter group get through unless... maybe it was the police who let them through... in the end they are responsible. faro0485

8:45pm Sat 1 Sep 12

driftingcowboy says...

Its a great shame that the 'concerned' anti-fascist group wouldn't show a bit more real concern for the environment and the residents along the route they marched - they left the place like a pig-sty with their abandoned banners, take-aways and plastic bottles. Makes you wonder what kind of people they are. I didn't get to see the area where the EDF were demonstrating so I can't comment for the state of that area.
Its a great shame that the 'concerned' anti-fascist group wouldn't show a bit more real concern for the environment and the residents along the route they marched - they left the place like a pig-sty with their abandoned banners, take-aways and plastic bottles. Makes you wonder what kind of people they are. I didn't get to see the area where the EDF were demonstrating so I can't comment for the state of that area. driftingcowboy

8:50pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Brisbane says...

Re faro0485: The splinter group must have arrived separately from the rest of the EDL, as they were in situ quite some time before the main group arrived. The police were clearly comfortable with that as they made no attempt to move them on.
So why are they responsible for people attacking them? If I don't agree with your opinions does that mean you are responsible if I attack you?
Re faro0485: The splinter group must have arrived separately from the rest of the EDL, as they were in situ quite some time before the main group arrived. The police were clearly comfortable with that as they made no attempt to move them on. So why are they responsible for people attacking them? If I don't agree with your opinions does that mean you are responsible if I attack you? Brisbane

8:57pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Walthamforest1993 says...

Firstly it was bound to happen the police allowed it. Secondly no1 should have entertained the EDL so they never return.

I think Who ever involves themselves without any sort of personal Benifit has plenty of times on there hands.
Firstly it was bound to happen the police allowed it. Secondly no1 should have entertained the EDL so they never return. I think Who ever involves themselves without any sort of personal Benifit has plenty of times on there hands. Walthamforest1993

8:57pm Sat 1 Sep 12

roger_1 says...

If it wasn't for this stupid uaf counter demo today supported by Stella Creasy the edl would've been gone in 2 hours instead of causing massive disruption for 8 hours. The police should not have given into the muslim and uaf thugs. Regardless of your views of the edl the uaf and muslims have no right to shut down freedom of speech.
If it wasn't for this stupid uaf counter demo today supported by Stella Creasy the edl would've been gone in 2 hours instead of causing massive disruption for 8 hours. The police should not have given into the muslim and uaf thugs. Regardless of your views of the edl the uaf and muslims have no right to shut down freedom of speech. roger_1

9:04pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Walthamforest1993 says...

It's not really freedom of speech tho Isit I mean be real with yourself. Do them EDL supporters look like they even know the meaning of freedom of speech.
It's not really freedom of speech tho Isit I mean be real with yourself. Do them EDL supporters look like they even know the meaning of freedom of speech. Walthamforest1993

9:06pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Cornbeefur says...

I thought it was meant to be a peaceful demo and even the Police said they did not envisage trouble. I was on my way to the Pump house Museum to get involved in restoring the rust buckets down there but when I saw the chaos i turned back.

There were hardly any places of sanctuary available and I hope nobody was injured as there were no obvious First Aid Posts.

Freedom of Speech is one thing but this was ridiculous, and we are in the middle of the Olymparalyemeticicom
etric Games.

How did the Police allow this Institutionalised Racism to occur? I thought Lord Bernard Hogan Howes had dealt with all this twaddle by now?
I thought it was meant to be a peaceful demo and even the Police said they did not envisage trouble. I was on my way to the Pump house Museum to get involved in restoring the rust buckets down there but when I saw the chaos i turned back. There were hardly any places of sanctuary available and I hope nobody was injured as there were no obvious First Aid Posts. Freedom of Speech is one thing but this was ridiculous, and we are in the middle of the Olymparalyemeticicom etric Games. How did the Police allow this Institutionalised Racism to occur? I thought Lord Bernard Hogan Howes had dealt with all this twaddle by now? Cornbeefur

9:23pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Cornbeefur says...

'Waltham Forest Police say they have no intelligence to suggest an EDL march in Walthamstow will result in violence'

Will the Officer in charge of this mess now resign?

Another (so obvious) failing by our wonderful Police 'Service'
'Waltham Forest Police say they have no intelligence to suggest an EDL march in Walthamstow will result in violence' Will the Officer in charge of this mess now resign? Another (so obvious) failing by our wonderful Police 'Service' Cornbeefur

9:28pm Sat 1 Sep 12

leyton bus says...

EDL march was supposed 2 have been 2 weeks ago but they called it off cos of eid rightly or wrongly ,, if the EDL had marched 2day they would have gone from blackhorse rd station 2 the town hall all over in a couple of hours but then u get people wanting 2 make a counter demo against them which gives them publicity ,, the people in the wrong r the people who encouraged the counter demo ,, last year when the march 4 sharia law went on there was no counter demo as such it was over in know time as tall , no publicity surely that tells u something
EDL march was supposed 2 have been 2 weeks ago but they called it off cos of eid rightly or wrongly ,, if the EDL had marched 2day they would have gone from blackhorse rd station 2 the town hall all over in a couple of hours but then u get people wanting 2 make a counter demo against them which gives them publicity ,, the people in the wrong r the people who encouraged the counter demo ,, last year when the march 4 sharia law went on there was no counter demo as such it was over in know time as tall , no publicity surely that tells u something leyton bus

9:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12

You123 says...

Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them.
Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them. You123

9:30pm Sat 1 Sep 12

leyton bus says...

why blame the police surely the people who organised the counter demo r the 1s 2 blame ,,, no counter demo no violence
why blame the police surely the people who organised the counter demo r the 1s 2 blame ,,, no counter demo no violence leyton bus

9:38pm Sat 1 Sep 12

You123 says...

Eppingforest1234 wrote:
At what point does it say the anti-fascists (or far left fascists as you call them) attacked the EDL.
It says a group of anti-fascists broke off and got mixed up with the EDL...how do you know who started getting violent?
Can't believe we're in the 21st Century, yet still ignorant vile people still support the EDL. Very depressing.
" The English Defence League (EDL) street protest movement which opposes what it considers to be a spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in the United Kingdom" - prehaps the vile ignorant people on this forum agree with the notion of freedom of speech.... something which pretty much every other group in this country are aloud to do just not right wing Brits. I personally dont fancy Sharia law to rule my borough either to be quite honest, yet I am not faciast, racist, ignorant or vile!!
[quote][p][bold]Eppingforest1234[/bold] wrote: At what point does it say the anti-fascists (or far left fascists as you call them) attacked the EDL. It says a group of anti-fascists broke off and got mixed up with the EDL...how do you know who started getting violent? Can't believe we're in the 21st Century, yet still ignorant vile people still support the EDL. Very depressing.[/p][/quote]" The English Defence League (EDL) street protest movement which opposes what it considers to be a spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in the United Kingdom" - prehaps the vile ignorant people on this forum agree with the notion of freedom of speech.... something which pretty much every other group in this country are aloud to do just not right wing Brits. I personally dont fancy Sharia law to rule my borough either to be quite honest, yet I am not faciast, racist, ignorant or vile!! You123

9:42pm Sat 1 Sep 12

faro0485 says...

You123 wrote:
Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them.
In the end the police claim to be the only responsible ones....
[quote][p][bold]You123[/bold] wrote: Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them.[/p][/quote]In the end the police claim to be the only responsible ones.... faro0485

9:42pm Sat 1 Sep 12

faro0485 says...

You123 wrote:
Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them.
In the end the police claim to be the only responsible ones....
[quote][p][bold]You123[/bold] wrote: Anti fascists???????? Oh my goodness.... I can not actually believe that was printed. What a joke!!!!!!!! I fail to see why the police are getting such a hard time for this. No win situation, they seemed to be doing a mighty good job at controlling the ridiculous amount of traffic in the Blackhorse road area just now. Hats off to them.[/p][/quote]In the end the police claim to be the only responsible ones.... faro0485

9:43pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Greg Peck says...

Why would anyone need to condemn attacks on fascists anyway? We saw them here in the 1930s and their mini-resurgence in the 1970s. Every time they raise their heads, they have to be defeated.
Why would anyone need to condemn attacks on fascists anyway? We saw them here in the 1930s and their mini-resurgence in the 1970s. Every time they raise their heads, they have to be defeated. Greg Peck

9:56pm Sat 1 Sep 12

bakers arms says...

Let's face it the EDL are a thoroughly unpleasant bunch of racist thugs. If the 20th century has taught us anything it's that people like this have to be stood up to.
Let's face it the EDL are a thoroughly unpleasant bunch of racist thugs. If the 20th century has taught us anything it's that people like this have to be stood up to. bakers arms

9:57pm Sat 1 Sep 12

VESTRYPARK says...

EDL is an outright racist is not wanted or required in Waltham Forest. The Police kept the EDL lunacy brigade well away from the general public because as one officer said "we want to protect you from hearing all the filth coming from them." They came to conquer but went back with their tails betweens their legs.
EDL is an outright racist is not wanted or required in Waltham Forest. The Police kept the EDL lunacy brigade well away from the general public because as one officer said "we want to protect you from hearing all the filth coming from them." They came to conquer but went back with their tails betweens their legs. VESTRYPARK

10:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12

peaceful says...

I saw it pass Diana Road.
I was walking to the shop as I thought it had passed already.
I heard a loud bang...eek.
Anyone know what that was?
I saw it pass Diana Road. I was walking to the shop as I thought it had passed already. I heard a loud bang...eek. Anyone know what that was? peaceful

10:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12

AyazNazir says...

Over 1 million muslims live in this great country yet 100, yes that's right 100 want sharia law!
Mainstream muslims condemn these fools, we have counter demonstrations but never get any publicity!
EDL support Anders Breivik yet it is the Muslims who Incite hatred, Funny old world we live in.
Over 1 million muslims live in this great country yet 100, yes that's right 100 want sharia law! Mainstream muslims condemn these fools, we have counter demonstrations but never get any publicity! EDL support Anders Breivik yet it is the Muslims who Incite hatred, Funny old world we live in. AyazNazir

10:16pm Sat 1 Sep 12

peaceful says...

I agree with VESTRYPARK by the way.
Hatred like this is evil in my opinion.
I agree with VESTRYPARK by the way. Hatred like this is evil in my opinion. peaceful

10:22pm Sat 1 Sep 12

peaceful says...

AyazNazir wrote:
Over 1 million muslims live in this great country yet 100, yes that's right 100 want sharia law!
Mainstream muslims condemn these fools, we have counter demonstrations but never get any publicity!
EDL support Anders Breivik yet it is the Muslims who Incite hatred, Funny old world we live in.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]AyazNazir[/bold] wrote: Over 1 million muslims live in this great country yet 100, yes that's right 100 want sharia law! Mainstream muslims condemn these fools, we have counter demonstrations but never get any publicity! EDL support Anders Breivik yet it is the Muslims who Incite hatred, Funny old world we live in.[/p][/quote]Well said! peaceful

11:12pm Sat 1 Sep 12

fousesquawk says...

Wow! Talk about the media bending the news. You wait until those "anti-fascists" take over your country. We here in the US will miss you Brits.

Who is fighting the cops and doing the damage?
Wow! Talk about the media bending the news. You wait until those "anti-fascists" take over your country. We here in the US will miss you Brits. Who is fighting the cops and doing the damage? fousesquawk

11:39pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Loadofbalony says...

About time a headline not blaming the EDL, why do people feel the need to put the blame on others, not being funny but if anything is going to bring out racial hatred its the burning of poppies for all the fallen hero's... and wanting to implement sharia law, do you think we could go to the middle east and start erecting church's i think britain has been very accomodating! there has also been a few doctumentaries on the EDL which has shown them in a bad light and, and not shown the truth where these goon's UAF have started the trouble! also the police cannot win, one minuite theres too much police pressence then not enough, what do you do? near enough every day in the daily news there putting down the police, what i cant believe for some poeple they would soon want a police pressence if someone was breaking into there home, i blame the media.. for just giving out news they want us to hear not the truth..
About time a headline not blaming the EDL, why do people feel the need to put the blame on others, not being funny but if anything is going to bring out racial hatred its the burning of poppies for all the fallen hero's... and wanting to implement sharia law, do you think we could go to the middle east and start erecting church's i think britain has been very accomodating! there has also been a few doctumentaries on the EDL which has shown them in a bad light and, and not shown the truth where these goon's UAF have started the trouble! also the police cannot win, one minuite theres too much police pressence then not enough, what do you do? near enough every day in the daily news there putting down the police, what i cant believe for some poeple they would soon want a police pressence if someone was breaking into there home, i blame the media.. for just giving out news they want us to hear not the truth.. Loadofbalony

11:44pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Greg Peck says...

Talk about Islam is a red herring. The EDL is simply a resurgence of fascism, this time picking Muslims as its scapegoat. Our parents and grandparents didn't just sit back and allow fascists to spread their vile messages and practices in the 1930s and 40s. Neither should we.
Talk about Islam is a red herring. The EDL is simply a resurgence of fascism, this time picking Muslims as its scapegoat. Our parents and grandparents didn't just sit back and allow fascists to spread their vile messages and practices in the 1930s and 40s. Neither should we. Greg Peck

11:45pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Loadofbalony says...

AyazNazir
Are you quite sure only 100?? want sharia law, i do not think that is a fact!! more like you misprinted and meant to say 1,000.'s
Also where are you getting these figures from do you know for a fact that EDL support breivik?? your **** right its a funny old world!!
AyazNazir Are you quite sure only 100?? want sharia law, i do not think that is a fact!! more like you misprinted and meant to say 1,000.'s Also where are you getting these figures from do you know for a fact that EDL support breivik?? your **** right its a funny old world!! Loadofbalony

11:51pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Redfox says...

There's certainly only one group to blame regarding the 5 (or more yet to be discovered) vehicles parked in Farnan Avenue that were scratched on their nearsides: ie facing downwards, as the EDL group were escorted back away from the court.
One resident & car owner confronted cxabinet councillor Liquat Ali as he appeared on his way to the town hall AFTER the event. He shrugged his shoulders on quickly went on his way. Wonder when our Labour ward councillors will put in an appearance?
There's certainly only one group to blame regarding the 5 (or more yet to be discovered) vehicles parked in Farnan Avenue that were scratched on their nearsides: ie facing downwards, as the EDL group were escorted back away from the court. One resident & car owner confronted cxabinet councillor Liquat Ali as he appeared on his way to the town hall AFTER the event. He shrugged his shoulders on quickly went on his way. Wonder when our Labour ward councillors will put in an appearance? Redfox

12:06am Sun 2 Sep 12

faro0485 says...

Redfox wrote:
There's certainly only one group to blame regarding the 5 (or more yet to be discovered) vehicles parked in Farnan Avenue that were scratched on their nearsides: ie facing downwards, as the EDL group were escorted back away from the court.
One resident & car owner confronted cxabinet councillor Liquat Ali as he appeared on his way to the town hall AFTER the event. He shrugged his shoulders on quickly went on his way. Wonder when our Labour ward councillors will put in an appearance?
Isn't there enough space in front of the Town Hall for people to protest? Who let these people have a protest in front of people's homes!?
Someone should sue them for damage.
[quote][p][bold]Redfox[/bold] wrote: There's certainly only one group to blame regarding the 5 (or more yet to be discovered) vehicles parked in Farnan Avenue that were scratched on their nearsides: ie facing downwards, as the EDL group were escorted back away from the court. One resident & car owner confronted cxabinet councillor Liquat Ali as he appeared on his way to the town hall AFTER the event. He shrugged his shoulders on quickly went on his way. Wonder when our Labour ward councillors will put in an appearance?[/p][/quote]Isn't there enough space in front of the Town Hall for people to protest? Who let these people have a protest in front of people's homes!? Someone should sue them for damage. faro0485

12:17am Sun 2 Sep 12

G_Whiz says...

With continued gettoisation and resitance to integration i'm sure things will only get worse.

Integrate not segregate...........
Please!

Why are Muslim Families so against their sons and daughters marrying out of their race and religion. Are we all really that bad?
With continued gettoisation and resitance to integration i'm sure things will only get worse. Integrate not segregate........... Please! Why are Muslim Families so against their sons and daughters marrying out of their race and religion. Are we all really that bad? G_Whiz

12:35am Sun 2 Sep 12

abuusamah says...

Hi all, please check our response to the EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in the following link: http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=k_SzDDLNt
xQ

Abu Usamah
Pro Shariah Campaigner
Hi all, please check our response to the EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in the following link: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=k_SzDDLNt xQ Abu Usamah Pro Shariah Campaigner abuusamah

1:44am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Love reading the messages from the anti everything brigade, i sure hope sharia law doesnt dominate the UK in 50 or so years time, do you know why?? because the bleeding hearts will be the first to be strung up. you people will reap what you sow.
Love reading the messages from the anti everything brigade, i sure hope sharia law doesnt dominate the UK in 50 or so years time, do you know why?? because the bleeding hearts will be the first to be strung up. you people will reap what you sow. lee331

1:49am Sun 2 Sep 12

squiddlin2 says...

I am walthamstow born and bred and lived there until 5 years ago when i hadvenough money to get out. I dont like racism of any kind but im afraid that the only people who seem to be getting discriminated against are the WHITE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE(dont give me that **** about britain always having immigration!)
I am walthamstow born and bred and lived there until 5 years ago when i hadvenough money to get out. I dont like racism of any kind but im afraid that the only people who seem to be getting discriminated against are the WHITE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE(dont give me that **** about britain always having immigration!) squiddlin2

3:25am Sun 2 Sep 12

Jedi Master says...

It's a fact that there should have been no counter demo. The EDL fools would have left without being able to provoke anyone. And it's a **** shame that we have people firing off remarks about Muslims fighting for a Sharia state in the UK. The fact is that there are approx 120 or so, yes as low ad that who are generating hatred and calling for Sharia etc. they are not too different from the EDL, simply because they want to provoke and cause unrest.. Neither one of the groups, be it EDL or MAC should be allowed to march and if they do, we must ignore them at all costs & make them irrelavent. The more hype the more they manifest. Let the rational thinking and good people of this borough come forward and think for those who cannot.. Wisdom, Strategising and patience will allow us to overcome the none sense we are experiencing.. Peace to all who want it....
It's a fact that there should have been no counter demo. The EDL fools would have left without being able to provoke anyone. And it's a **** shame that we have people firing off remarks about Muslims fighting for a Sharia state in the UK. The fact is that there are approx 120 or so, yes as low ad that who are generating hatred and calling for Sharia etc. they are not too different from the EDL, simply because they want to provoke and cause unrest.. Neither one of the groups, be it EDL or MAC should be allowed to march and if they do, we must ignore them at all costs & make them irrelavent. The more hype the more they manifest. Let the rational thinking and good people of this borough come forward and think for those who cannot.. Wisdom, Strategising and patience will allow us to overcome the none sense we are experiencing.. Peace to all who want it.... Jedi Master

4:07am Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

I lived in London for alot of years . I believe in democracy and free speech.

What puzzles me is if the far left extremists throw bottles etc why are the far right edl getting the blame?

I dont support either side, we do have a problem with racism,fascism,Islam
ic extremism .

We need to have more debates and sort these differences out.

Why could not the EDL and the Far left have held their demo's on different days?

Will the far left unite against fascism who just so happen to have a Islamic extremist as chairman speak out against all extremism and racism.

Why does the Unite against fascism have a fascist leader?
I lived in London for alot of years . I believe in democracy and free speech. What puzzles me is if the far left extremists throw bottles etc why are the far right edl getting the blame? I dont support either side, we do have a problem with racism,fascism,Islam ic extremism . We need to have more debates and sort these differences out. Why could not the EDL and the Far left have held their demo's on different days? Will the far left unite against fascism who just so happen to have a Islamic extremist as chairman speak out against all extremism and racism. Why does the Unite against fascism have a fascist leader? jondeer

4:13am Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/andrew
gilligan/100140248/k
en-livingstones-anti
-fascist-group-appoi
nts-fascist-as-vice-
chair/


above link gives some background to the fascist leader Azard Ali who is now vice chair in the unite against fascism {dont laugh im being serious}
http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/andrew gilligan/100140248/k en-livingstones-anti -fascist-group-appoi nts-fascist-as-vice- chair/ above link gives some background to the fascist leader Azard Ali who is now vice chair in the unite against fascism {dont laugh im being serious} jondeer

4:16am Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair
By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012
114 Comments Comment on this article
One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.)
Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam.” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum."
The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman. Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.)
Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric. He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada. He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that.” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter.
It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist.
And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone. In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up?
Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets
Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012 114 Comments Comment on this article One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.) Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam.” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum." The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman. Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.) Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric. He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada. He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that.” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter. It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist. And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone. In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up? Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets jondeer

4:29am Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

abuusamah wrote:
Hi all, please check our response to the EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in the following link: http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=k_SzDDLNt

xQ

Abu Usamah
Pro Shariah Campaigner
A very good poem regarding sharia law


http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=V_9fI-z_I
24
[quote][p][bold]abuusamah[/bold] wrote: Hi all, please check our response to the EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in the following link: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=k_SzDDLNt xQ Abu Usamah Pro Shariah Campaigner[/p][/quote]A very good poem regarding sharia law http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=V_9fI-z_I 24 jondeer

6:22am Sun 2 Sep 12

peaceful says...

Such nonsense from people here...
You only have to look at the EDL crowd to see they are thugs.
History repeating itself....sad to see.
Such nonsense from people here... You only have to look at the EDL crowd to see they are thugs. History repeating itself....sad to see. peaceful

8:40am Sun 2 Sep 12

British pride says...

The EDL look like football thugs, but without the violence and the media seizes on this to mis-represent their values. I am pretty moderate in my views, but am becoming sympathetic with the EDL because they are the only organization with the backbone to stand for British values - what concerns me is that anyone should be able to demonstrate peacefully without the threat of intimidation and violence, but we are seeing our values eroded by undesirables with media support..
The EDL look like football thugs, but without the violence and the media seizes on this to mis-represent their values. I am pretty moderate in my views, but am becoming sympathetic with the EDL because they are the only organization with the backbone to stand for British values - what concerns me is that anyone should be able to demonstrate peacefully without the threat of intimidation and violence, but we are seeing our values eroded by undesirables with media support.. British pride

9:05am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

people like the poster "peaceful" obviously accept sharia law. appeasers like this always come off worse. The left has destroyed this country
people like the poster "peaceful" obviously accept sharia law. appeasers like this always come off worse. The left has destroyed this country lee331

9:17am Sun 2 Sep 12

leyton bus says...

a friend of mine was at walthamstow central yesterday and there were about 15 asian lads walk pass her and the police with there face covered up with scarfs and bandanas ,, the police dnt say anything 2 them but my point is y was there faces covered up, to me it tells me they were looking 4 trouble,
a friend of mine was at walthamstow central yesterday and there were about 15 asian lads walk pass her and the police with there face covered up with scarfs and bandanas ,, the police dnt say anything 2 them but my point is y was there faces covered up, to me it tells me they were looking 4 trouble, leyton bus

10:56am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

nice pictures...shows none of when the facist left went on their usual rampage. nice balanced reporting
nice pictures...shows none of when the facist left went on their usual rampage. nice balanced reporting lee331

11:06am Sun 2 Sep 12

merlin70 says...

I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****.

At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other.

If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover.

I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok.

The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them...

The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous.

Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority.

Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values.

They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast.

Do not come back.
I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****. At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other. If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover. I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok. The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them... The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous. Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority. Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values. They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast. Do not come back. merlin70

11:21am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that......
so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that...... lee331

11:28am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

provide proof some were convicted criminals. and only a handful want sharia law brought in? i think you'll find its quite a few more around the country. you leftie appeasers will only have yourselves to blame. let me guess your against any action against iran too?
provide proof some were convicted criminals. and only a handful want sharia law brought in? i think you'll find its quite a few more around the country. you leftie appeasers will only have yourselves to blame. let me guess your against any action against iran too? lee331

11:46am Sun 2 Sep 12

merlin70 says...

Lee331, you do the research, you seem to sepnd a lot of time on computers, I am leaving my house today. "Leftie appeaser", which planet? our planet
Lee331, you do the research, you seem to sepnd a lot of time on computers, I am leaving my house today. "Leftie appeaser", which planet? our planet merlin70

11:55am Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work
i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work lee331

12:06pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Techno3 says...

merlin70 wrote:
I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****.

At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other.

If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover.

I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok.

The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them...

The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous.

Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority.

Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values.

They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast.

Do not come back.
I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try.

Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think.

They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday.
[quote][p][bold]merlin70[/bold] wrote: I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****. At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other. If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover. I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok. The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them... The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous. Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority. Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values. They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast. Do not come back.[/p][/quote]I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try. Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think. They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday. Techno3

12:08pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Techno3 says...

Sorry about the spelling: my fingers are too big for the keyboard today.
Sorry about the spelling: my fingers are too big for the keyboard today. Techno3

12:12pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Cornbeefur says...

lee331 wrote:
i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work
Frank Muir's book 'An Irreverent and Almost Complete Social History of the Bathroom' would be more suitable.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work[/p][/quote]Frank Muir's book 'An Irreverent and Almost Complete Social History of the Bathroom' would be more suitable. Cornbeefur

12:15pm Sun 2 Sep 12

myopinioncounts says...

If only 100 want sharia law why have so many British born muslims adopted strict islamic clothing that their parents or grandparents never wore? The women of our immigrant families used to wear the shalwar/kameez (without any head covering) that was the tradition in the parts of the Indian subcontinent they came from, while the men usually wore western dress.
If only 100 want sharia law why have so many British born muslims adopted strict islamic clothing that their parents or grandparents never wore? The women of our immigrant families used to wear the shalwar/kameez (without any head covering) that was the tradition in the parts of the Indian subcontinent they came from, while the men usually wore western dress. myopinioncounts

12:19pm Sun 2 Sep 12

fannyhill says...

lee331 wrote:
so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that......
Voice of reason, very well said!
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that......[/p][/quote]Voice of reason, very well said! fannyhill

12:22pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
lee331 wrote:
i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work
Frank Muir's book 'An Irreverent and Almost Complete Social History of the Bathroom' would be more suitable.
i take it you havent read it?...... there you yet more left wing slander against someone who doesnt tie in with their beliefs.....
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: i suggest you read "horse at the gates" by d c alden. im leaving my house soon also to go to work[/p][/quote]Frank Muir's book 'An Irreverent and Almost Complete Social History of the Bathroom' would be more suitable.[/p][/quote]i take it you havent read it?...... there you yet more left wing slander against someone who doesnt tie in with their beliefs..... lee331

12:23pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

fannyhill wrote:
lee331 wrote:
so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that......
Voice of reason, very well said!
my god.....a non leftie!! or are you pulling my leg :o/
[quote][p][bold]fannyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: so the left havent caused irreversable damage to this country?? my god what planet are you from, can you not see beyond the length of your nose. walthamstow is a disgrace. Its dirty over crowded but no doubt you and your marxist pals love this social engineering. The left fight for freedom of speech do they...rubbish. only when it falls in line with your warped sense of beliefs. didnt see many anti facists counter demo when the muslims against crusades had their march. explain that......[/p][/quote]Voice of reason, very well said![/p][/quote]my god.....a non leftie!! or are you pulling my leg :o/ lee331

1:13pm Sun 2 Sep 12

roger_1 says...

Techno3 wrote:
merlin70 wrote:
I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****.

At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other.

If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover.

I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok.

The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them...

The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous.

Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority.

Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values.

They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast.

Do not come back.
I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try.

Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think.

They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday.
"They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday."

Last year the group Waltham Forest muslims marched from Leyton to Walthamstow calling for Sharia Law. The UAF, trade unions, Stella Creasy, none of these people counter protested them. And lets not forget it was members of the walthamstow muslim community who were responsible for the liquid airline bomb plot.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin70[/bold] wrote: I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****. At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other. If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover. I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok. The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them... The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous. Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority. Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values. They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast. Do not come back.[/p][/quote]I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try. Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think. They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday.[/p][/quote]"They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday." Last year the group Waltham Forest muslims marched from Leyton to Walthamstow calling for Sharia Law. The UAF, trade unions, Stella Creasy, none of these people counter protested them. And lets not forget it was members of the walthamstow muslim community who were responsible for the liquid airline bomb plot. roger_1

1:16pm Sun 2 Sep 12

mouradkhada says...

Biased article, written by woolly blind liberals!
Who resorted to violence? Who yelled libels and slander? The leftists, sorry for you, Guardian...
"Islam religion of peace" ?Can't you read, listen, watch and feel the emotions of the slaughtered?
You don't make feel angry, you make me feel sick, because YOU are sick!
Tis post is not " false, abusive or malicious", unfortunately, it is sadly accurate.
Biased article, written by woolly blind liberals! Who resorted to violence? Who yelled libels and slander? The leftists, sorry for you, Guardian... "Islam religion of peace" ?Can't you read, listen, watch and feel the emotions of the slaughtered? You don't make feel angry, you make me feel sick, because YOU are sick! Tis post is not " false, abusive or malicious", unfortunately, it is sadly accurate. mouradkhada

1:41pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Cornbeefur says...

There is an interesting programme being aired on C4 at the moment, presented by Tom Holland an academic from Cambridge and noted author where he is challenging certain aspects of Islam and the Muslim Faith, in a objective style.

Of course, he has now been threatened and abused by this wonderful 'peaceful' religion. The second part is on this evening.
There is an interesting programme being aired on C4 at the moment, presented by Tom Holland an academic from Cambridge and noted author where he is challenging certain aspects of Islam and the Muslim Faith, in a objective style. Of course, he has now been threatened and abused by this wonderful 'peaceful' religion. The second part is on this evening. Cornbeefur

1:50pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

the left will never admit they're wrong. always correct,always self righteous, always self indulgdant. bet they cannot wait for liebour to come back into power.
the left will never admit they're wrong. always correct,always self righteous, always self indulgdant. bet they cannot wait for liebour to come back into power. lee331

2:55pm Sun 2 Sep 12

leytonoldboy2 says...

“If there are 8,000 people outside Wapping there is little that the police can do. We have shown that is a sufficient number to stop the papers going out” Chris Robbins didn’t tell his SOGAT members to stay at home and let Murdoch get on with things in ’86. He’s changed his tune now though.
“If there are 8,000 people outside Wapping there is little that the police can do. We have shown that is a sufficient number to stop the papers going out” Chris Robbins didn’t tell his SOGAT members to stay at home and let Murdoch get on with things in ’86. He’s changed his tune now though. leytonoldboy2

3:01pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Greg Peck says...

I've no idea why so many people seem to have wanted this clearly provocative march to go ahead without opposition. You're living in a fantasy land if you honestly believe that the EDL are non-violent. I''ll say it again: our forebears - left, right, whatever - didn't put up with fascists marching in east London. Neither should we.
I've no idea why so many people seem to have wanted this clearly provocative march to go ahead without opposition. You're living in a fantasy land if you honestly believe that the EDL are non-violent. I''ll say it again: our forebears - left, right, whatever - didn't put up with fascists marching in east London. Neither should we. Greg Peck

3:29pm Sun 2 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

leytonoldboy2 wrote:
“If there are 8,000 people outside Wapping there is little that the police can do. We have shown that is a sufficient number to stop the papers going out” Chris Robbins didn’t tell his SOGAT members to stay at home and let Murdoch get on with things in ’86. He’s changed his tune now though.
I didn't see Chris Robbins on the platform of the anti EDL march though. I did listen to Stella Creasy, who clearly supported the march and and made it clear that the EDL were not welcome.
On a possibly related point I would like to know why the EDL were allowed to meet within the grounds of the Town Hall? Someone from within his council must have given permission. If the unionised workers had organised then Im sure this could have been stopped.
Finally, Just where did Chris Robbins and the labour Party stand on this issue? He and they didn't actively oppose the march by supporting the the counter demo it seems to me. They probably called for a ban but I would argue that that is not enough. So where were they? Did they just argue for ignoring the whole counter demo? I have a strong suspicion that that is exactly what they did.
[quote][p][bold]leytonoldboy2[/bold] wrote: “If there are 8,000 people outside Wapping there is little that the police can do. We have shown that is a sufficient number to stop the papers going out” Chris Robbins didn’t tell his SOGAT members to stay at home and let Murdoch get on with things in ’86. He’s changed his tune now though.[/p][/quote]I didn't see Chris Robbins on the platform of the anti EDL march though. I did listen to Stella Creasy, who clearly supported the march and and made it clear that the EDL were not welcome. On a possibly related point I would like to know why the EDL were allowed to meet within the grounds of the Town Hall? Someone from within his council must have given permission. If the unionised workers had organised then Im sure this could have been stopped. Finally, Just where did Chris Robbins and the labour Party stand on this issue? He and they didn't actively oppose the march by supporting the the counter demo it seems to me. They probably called for a ban but I would argue that that is not enough. So where were they? Did they just argue for ignoring the whole counter demo? I have a strong suspicion that that is exactly what they did. stevewhite

3:41pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Sam Hain says...

This should answer your questions, stevewhite: http://www.walthamfo
rest.gov.uk/Pages/Ne
ws/EDL-march.aspx
This should answer your questions, stevewhite: http://www.walthamfo rest.gov.uk/Pages/Ne ws/EDL-march.aspx Sam Hain

3:44pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Techno3 says...

roger_1 wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
merlin70 wrote:
I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****.

At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other.

If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover.

I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok.

The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them...

The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous.

Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority.

Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values.

They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast.

Do not come back.
I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try.

Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think.

They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday.
"They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday."

Last year the group Waltham Forest muslims marched from Leyton to Walthamstow calling for Sharia Law. The UAF, trade unions, Stella Creasy, none of these people counter protested them. And lets not forget it was members of the walthamstow muslim community who were responsible for the liquid airline bomb plot.
And you are right, it would have been better if people had protested against Anjem Choudury previously. I said so at the time. If he turns up again maybe we will do better.

However, that does not in any way absolve the EDL from turning up here drunk, foul-mouthed and behaving and dressing in an ignorant, threatening, disrespectful and uncivilised manner in the heart of our community.

They did their cause, whatever it is, no good whatsoever. The EDL provded incapable of behaving like mature adults. As such people like them make it impossible for any sensible person to take them seriously.

When I see people like them claiming in any way to be representatives or advocates for the values of English civilisation they make me want to despair at the standard of education and upbringings they must have had. I pity them really.

Luckily, the police generally had their measure. It was also just as well that cool heads generally prevailed and that local people were mainly content to allow the police to do their jobs and, their own safety, protect these people from the consequences of their provocative folly.
[quote][p][bold]roger_1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlin70[/bold] wrote: I was there yesterday and saw 150-200 edl, who let off firecrackers as soon as they got out of the station. A lot of nonsense has been seen on here about far left fascists etc. If you let edl march you know from history there will be violence. I heard them abuse passers by for no reason, white ones, not muslim, just because they felt brave. And ****. At some point they realised they had bitten off more than they could chew and asked to turn round. Luckily with no pubs in the area, meant they could not do what they want to on a Saturday afternoon, i.e get **** and sing racist songs, or fight each other. If you feel that because youth cover their faces they are looking for trouble, usually correct, but this time the level of Police monitoring and the reasons behind people wanting edl out of our area. I understand why they would cover. I talked to some edl (From Manchester) who were completely illiterate, telling me they had been penned in for 4 hours, despite standing outside the station, not penned in at all. If you see the tweets from edl, they were under constant attack but still manage to update facebook. I was out all day and never once did that, using my phone to check my mates were ok. The edl lie, time and time again, hopefully they will get the hint and stop putting people at risk, they bring their kids along. despite being with many convicted hooligans, and criminals. Shame on them... The commenst about the left destroying this country are ridiculous. Sharia law will never happen here, a handful of loony Islamic followers do not speak for the overwhelming majority. Christianity is the major religion but how many edl go to church? Or even espouse Christian values. They came, they **** themselves, got arrested for their own safety, got on a train and went home to boast. Do not come back.[/p][/quote]I think you are pretty well spot on. I would not have wasted my time trying too talk to them, but fair play to you for having a try. Whatever the point it is these people wanted to make, they should all go back to school first, get themselves an education and some manners and stop trying to use the most anti-social and counter-prorducive methods imaginable to try and pursuade people of what they think. They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday.[/p][/quote]"They were unpleasant yobs who came to bully innocent people in a neighbourhood who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke such behaviour, disrupting a peaceful Satuday." Last year the group Waltham Forest muslims marched from Leyton to Walthamstow calling for Sharia Law. The UAF, trade unions, Stella Creasy, none of these people counter protested them. And lets not forget it was members of the walthamstow muslim community who were responsible for the liquid airline bomb plot.[/p][/quote]And you are right, it would have been better if people had protested against Anjem Choudury previously. I said so at the time. If he turns up again maybe we will do better. However, that does not in any way absolve the EDL from turning up here drunk, foul-mouthed and behaving and dressing in an ignorant, threatening, disrespectful and uncivilised manner in the heart of our community. They did their cause, whatever it is, no good whatsoever. The EDL provded incapable of behaving like mature adults. As such people like them make it impossible for any sensible person to take them seriously. When I see people like them claiming in any way to be representatives or advocates for the values of English civilisation they make me want to despair at the standard of education and upbringings they must have had. I pity them really. Luckily, the police generally had their measure. It was also just as well that cool heads generally prevailed and that local people were mainly content to allow the police to do their jobs and, their own safety, protect these people from the consequences of their provocative folly. Techno3

4:09pm Sun 2 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

The Council's response is far from adequate- it said

"While the Council is vehemently opposed to everything the EDL stand for, we have unfortunately been unsuccessful in our attempts to ban them from the borough. The Home Secretary has not responded to our request and the police say they cannot prevent the march unless they think there is a serious threat to public order.

Residents are advised to stay away from the march and any counter demonstrations to avoid trouble.

Councillor Liaquat Ali, Cabinet Member for Community Safety and Cohesion, said:
"Waltham Forest is among the most diverse areas within London. We consider this to be one of the borough's key strengths, helping to give the area its unique sense of vibrancy.

"The EDL is targeting our community because of this same rich diversity, but we are standing together and have called on the Home Secretary to ban any action by the EDL and any other group whose main aim is to incite hatred against others because of their religious beliefs, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."

The advise given says residents should stay away. It then gives a nod to how wonderfully diverse WF is etc. This is not good enough! What about defending that diversity from the drunken yobs of the EDL? We are many and they are few we need to send a proper message with a huge physical presence not just words. This runs rather counter to the Chris Robbins of old if he agrees with the "stay at home stance" I suspect he does agree with this and would like him to confirm it so i know just who I am voting for and what they think.
As for who agreed that they should use the Town Hall, I would like an answer? As for the workers in the Town Hall, why didn't they stop it?
The Council's response is far from adequate- it said "While the Council is vehemently opposed to everything the EDL stand for, we have unfortunately been unsuccessful in our attempts to ban them from the borough. The Home Secretary has not responded to our request and the police say they cannot prevent the march unless they think there is a serious threat to public order. Residents are advised to stay away from the march and any counter demonstrations to avoid trouble. Councillor Liaquat Ali, Cabinet Member for Community Safety and Cohesion, said: "Waltham Forest is among the most diverse areas within London. We consider this to be one of the borough's key strengths, helping to give the area its unique sense of vibrancy. "The EDL is targeting our community because of this same rich diversity, but we are standing together and have called on the Home Secretary to ban any action by the EDL and any other group whose main aim is to incite hatred against others because of their religious beliefs, ethnic origin or sexual orientation." The advise given says residents should stay away. It then gives a nod to how wonderfully diverse WF is etc. This is not good enough! What about defending that diversity from the drunken yobs of the EDL? We are many and they are few we need to send a proper message with a huge physical presence not just words. This runs rather counter to the Chris Robbins of old if he agrees with the "stay at home stance" I suspect he does agree with this and would like him to confirm it so i know just who I am voting for and what they think. As for who agreed that they should use the Town Hall, I would like an answer? As for the workers in the Town Hall, why didn't they stop it? stevewhite

4:31pm Sun 2 Sep 12

roger_1 says...

Techno3 the edl were surrounded by police they could do no violence. It was the anti protesters who were left to roam free, attmepting to break through police lines and attack the edl, throwing things, blocking the road. These people were not local residents but the usual far left rent a mob who turn up to all protests. The "no cuts" and socalist worker banners gave it away.
Techno3 the edl were surrounded by police they could do no violence. It was the anti protesters who were left to roam free, attmepting to break through police lines and attack the edl, throwing things, blocking the road. These people were not local residents but the usual far left rent a mob who turn up to all protests. The "no cuts" and socalist worker banners gave it away. roger_1

5:34pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

but roger the left are peace loving do you not understand! so is extreme islam both accepting of all others...
but roger the left are peace loving do you not understand! so is extreme islam both accepting of all others... lee331

7:00pm Sun 2 Sep 12

W F B says...

Born and bred in Walthamstow but I must admit I’m feeling out of place in my own town, slippery slope if you ask me, I’ll leave it at that no need to add more.
Born and bred in Walthamstow but I must admit I’m feeling out of place in my own town, slippery slope if you ask me, I’ll leave it at that no need to add more. W F B

7:26pm Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/andrew
gilligan/100140248/k
en-livingstones-anti
-fascist-group-appoi
nts-fascist-as-vice-
chair/
http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/andrew gilligan/100140248/k en-livingstones-anti -fascist-group-appoi nts-fascist-as-vice- chair/ jondeer

7:30pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

the left will never change
the left will never change lee331

7:36pm Sun 2 Sep 12

jondeer says...

jondeer wrote:
http://blogs.telegra

ph.co.uk/news/andrew

gilligan/100140248/k

en-livingstones-anti

-fascist-group-appoi

nts-fascist-as-vice-

chair/
A point that everyone is missing is why are the far left supporting Islam so much?

A few years ago I was at marxism 2000

John Rees made a statement saying we have to stand by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best opportunity for revolution.

Read the following about uaf carefully and join the dots.

Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair
By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012
114 Comments Comment on this article


One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports,

Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.)


Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam.


” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum."


The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman.

Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.)


Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric.

He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada.


He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism.

On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that.

” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter.
It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist.
And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone.


In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up?
Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets
[quote][p][bold]jondeer[/bold] wrote: http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/andrew gilligan/100140248/k en-livingstones-anti -fascist-group-appoi nts-fascist-as-vice- chair/[/p][/quote]A point that everyone is missing is why are the far left supporting Islam so much? A few years ago I was at marxism 2000 John Rees made a statement saying we have to stand by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best opportunity for revolution. Read the following about uaf carefully and join the dots. Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012 114 Comments Comment on this article One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.) Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam. ” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum." The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman. Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.) Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric. He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada. He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that. ” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter. It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist. And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone. In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up? Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets jondeer

7:42pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

a left wing pressure group facist?? surely not!! i am surprised though no leftie has blamed thatcher or the tories yet...
a left wing pressure group facist?? surely not!! i am surprised though no leftie has blamed thatcher or the tories yet... lee331

8:27pm Sun 2 Sep 12

merlin70 says...

I you look you will find edl attacked one of their own"stewards" during their march, also heard of them shouting scum scum scum at a non white woman looking out of her window. If they want to protest fine, give us a reason....they could not do it to me, do not scream at people for no reason while on their march and then go home. all this stuff about non violent protest is rubbish. Fact.
I you look you will find edl attacked one of their own"stewards" during their march, also heard of them shouting scum scum scum at a non white woman looking out of her window. If they want to protest fine, give us a reason....they could not do it to me, do not scream at people for no reason while on their march and then go home. all this stuff about non violent protest is rubbish. Fact. merlin70

8:46pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Techno3 says...

roger_1 wrote:
Techno3 the edl were surrounded by police they could do no violence. It was the anti protesters who were left to roam free, attmepting to break through police lines and attack the edl, throwing things, blocking the road. These people were not local residents but the usual far left rent a mob who turn up to all protests. The "no cuts" and socalist worker banners gave it away.
roger_1 If they could not actually do much violence does not mean they did not behave in a boorish and uncivilised manner. They behaved with little self-respect for themsleves but no respect at all for the people of this neighbourhood.

Nor does it mean that there weren't a considerable number among them who would have wished to act in a violent manner, if their pre-demonstration statements, their provocative violent rhetoric and chants and gesturing is anything to go by.

As for the counter demonstrators, yes indeed there were some people who I did not recognise and there were a number of professional left-wing agitators present, but I know for a fact that many of my neighbours were there, because I saw them there myself. I shall be teasing one of our local barbers about the 'no cuts' banner he was carrying next time I see him.
[quote][p][bold]roger_1[/bold] wrote: Techno3 the edl were surrounded by police they could do no violence. It was the anti protesters who were left to roam free, attmepting to break through police lines and attack the edl, throwing things, blocking the road. These people were not local residents but the usual far left rent a mob who turn up to all protests. The "no cuts" and socalist worker banners gave it away.[/p][/quote]roger_1 If they could not actually do much violence does not mean they did not behave in a boorish and uncivilised manner. They behaved with little self-respect for themsleves but no respect at all for the people of this neighbourhood. Nor does it mean that there weren't a considerable number among them who would have wished to act in a violent manner, if their pre-demonstration statements, their provocative violent rhetoric and chants and gesturing is anything to go by. As for the counter demonstrators, yes indeed there were some people who I did not recognise and there were a number of professional left-wing agitators present, but I know for a fact that many of my neighbours were there, because I saw them there myself. I shall be teasing one of our local barbers about the 'no cuts' banner he was carrying next time I see him. Techno3

8:55pm Sun 2 Sep 12

lee331 says...

how about you 2 answer jondeers post??
how about you 2 answer jondeers post?? lee331

9:38pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Techno3 says...

lee331 wrote:
how about you 2 answer jondeers post??
Too many points not to be tedious.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how about you 2 answer jondeers post??[/p][/quote]Too many points not to be tedious. Techno3

10:04pm Sun 2 Sep 12

LinziD says...

Ive worked in Saudi & lived in many Islamic states. In Saudi Christians have to pray quietly otherwise you get arrested. Christians cannot even have a cross visibly on show. Its like that in most other Islamic countries. England is & will always be a Christian country so why dont the Muslims live the way us Christians have to live when we are in their countries? If Christians marched in Islamic countries & abused the army coming back from war like the Muslims do here, they'd be imprisoned or even executed!
Ive worked in Saudi & lived in many Islamic states. In Saudi Christians have to pray quietly otherwise you get arrested. Christians cannot even have a cross visibly on show. Its like that in most other Islamic countries. England is & will always be a Christian country so why dont the Muslims live the way us Christians have to live when we are in their countries? If Christians marched in Islamic countries & abused the army coming back from war like the Muslims do here, they'd be imprisoned or even executed! LinziD

10:13pm Sun 2 Sep 12

W F B says...

@ LinziD ,The proverbial nail on the head.
@ LinziD ,The proverbial nail on the head. W F B

10:23pm Sun 2 Sep 12

W F B says...

B liar and Livingston should be strung up just like mussolini, from a lamp post.
B liar and Livingston should be strung up just like mussolini, from a lamp post. W F B

11:13pm Sun 2 Sep 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

From The Guardian; 12:06pm Wednesday 29th August 2012 in News By Daniel Binns:

“POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence to suggest that a controversial march by the far right English Defence League (EDL) this weekend will be violent or disrupt the community.”

It’s terribly tempting to just take the first nine words out of this quote. Thank goodness the thin blue line continues to rely on accurate information received.
From The Guardian; 12:06pm Wednesday 29th August 2012 in News By Daniel Binns: “POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence to suggest that a controversial march by the far right English Defence League (EDL) this weekend will be violent or disrupt the community.” It’s terribly tempting to just take the first nine words out of this quote. Thank goodness the thin blue line continues to rely on accurate information received. KWyatt-Lown

12:01am Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

LinziD wrote:
Ive worked in Saudi & lived in many Islamic states. In Saudi Christians have to pray quietly otherwise you get arrested. Christians cannot even have a cross visibly on show. Its like that in most other Islamic countries. England is & will always be a Christian country so why dont the Muslims live the way us Christians have to live when we are in their countries? If Christians marched in Islamic countries & abused the army coming back from war like the Muslims do here, they'd be imprisoned or even executed!
This is a well rehearsed argument often used by those on the right and by those that have a sense that there is no justice in this country. My question to them is would you like England, which by the way has many atheists, so is not as Christian as you may think, to be as controlling as the Islamic states you refer to? I am guessing you would not be keen on their other penal codes or would not like it if alcohol was banned, based on some obscure line quoted in the Bible. I imagine you would not be keen on being stoned to death for working on a Sunday either? (This is in the Bible)
So my argument is - we don't live in a Christian country in the same way that many Islamic peoples are forced to live in an Islamic state and I think you are probably grateful for that. This is because of the amount of democracy won by us, which to a large part is the secularisation of our country and nothing to do with us being a Christian country. The second part of my argument is that you really would not like to live in a religious country at all and would not be prepared to pay this price just so everyone would (Muslims in your example) could not enjoy the freedoms you think are denied in their countries.
[quote][p][bold]LinziD[/bold] wrote: Ive worked in Saudi & lived in many Islamic states. In Saudi Christians have to pray quietly otherwise you get arrested. Christians cannot even have a cross visibly on show. Its like that in most other Islamic countries. England is & will always be a Christian country so why dont the Muslims live the way us Christians have to live when we are in their countries? If Christians marched in Islamic countries & abused the army coming back from war like the Muslims do here, they'd be imprisoned or even executed![/p][/quote]This is a well rehearsed argument often used by those on the right and by those that have a sense that there is no justice in this country. My question to them is would you like England, which by the way has many atheists, so is not as Christian as you may think, to be as controlling as the Islamic states you refer to? I am guessing you would not be keen on their other penal codes or would not like it if alcohol was banned, based on some obscure line quoted in the Bible. I imagine you would not be keen on being stoned to death for working on a Sunday either? (This is in the Bible) So my argument is - we don't live in a Christian country in the same way that many Islamic peoples are forced to live in an Islamic state and I think you are probably grateful for that. This is because of the amount of democracy won by us, which to a large part is the secularisation of our country and nothing to do with us being a Christian country. The second part of my argument is that you really would not like to live in a religious country at all and would not be prepared to pay this price just so everyone would (Muslims in your example) could not enjoy the freedoms you think are denied in their countries. stevewhite

12:05am Mon 3 Sep 12

leytonoldboy2 says...

“POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence". There you go, KWyatt-Lown. That makes a lot more sense now.
“POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence". There you go, KWyatt-Lown. That makes a lot more sense now. leytonoldboy2

12:32am Mon 3 Sep 12

W F B says...

@ KWyatt-Lown, Blah bah and BLAH!!..Rubbish
@ KWyatt-Lown, Blah bah and BLAH!!..Rubbish W F B

12:37am Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

so it turns out 11 lefties were arrested and only 9 edl. and i thought the edl were thugs hmmm. those on the left are peaceful!!
so it turns out 11 lefties were arrested and only 9 edl. and i thought the edl were thugs hmmm. those on the left are peaceful!! lee331

12:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

W F B says...

Oops my mistake, last comment was directed at "stevewhite"..A lovely man,just misguided.
Oops my mistake, last comment was directed at "stevewhite"..A lovely man,just misguided. W F B

12:46am Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

jondeer wrote:
jondeer wrote:
http://blogs.telegra


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gilligan/100140248/k


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A point that everyone is missing is why are the far left supporting Islam so much?

A few years ago I was at marxism 2000

John Rees made a statement saying we have to stand by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best opportunity for revolution.

Read the following about uaf carefully and join the dots.

Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair
By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012
114 Comments Comment on this article


One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports,

Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.)


Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam.


” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum."


The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman.

Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.)


Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric.

He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada.


He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism.

On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that.

” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter.
It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist.
And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone.


In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up?
Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets
I wont answer all the points here and know that I will be acused of ducking the issue but I will answer the ones I feel partially qualified to answer.

I have no idea if John Rees said what you attribute to him but I imagine his view would be that Muslims are part of the working class and it is the working class that have made revolutions. The SWP is a Marxist party so this is hardly surprising really. John Rees is by the way no longer a member I understand.

The next part of the comment seems to suggest that there is a conspiracy between the UAF and Ken Livingstone and Azad Ali, who is the vice Chair of UAF. This all means that the UAF keep quiet about Muslim extremists because because votes get delivered for Ken. Ken is described as the boss of Ali. I don't believe this to be true but I do suspect that his election was due to wanting Muslims on board in the fight against the far right. His election would have not been directly in Livingstone's power but part of a process that involved many in UAF.
I would also argue that the UAF are not silent on the matters that you raise because it all is one big cosy club and delivers votes for Livingstone but I do think there is a blind spot on the left regarding some of the very extreme views held by some Muslims. The claims that you make about Azad Ali may be true, to be honest I am not sure. If they are true then I am not very keen on him having this position. However, this is for the UAF to look into. If these are views that are held then I think they should be challenged.
However, I think the real reason why the left often over look such views is that they believe these views are only held by a minority of Muslims and believe the majority to act in a peaceful way. Indeed many of us have exactly that experience. It is also true that the press often just focuses on the extreme views of the few. This should not make the left (me included) deny that these views are held by some Muslims. I also believe that they should be challenged. It is clearly not right to support honour killings or keep silent on the matter or abuses that may take place against individuals by those seeking to justify this by quoting a passage from the Koran. It does though remain the case that this is a minority of Muslims. It is also the case that those Muslims and others should not have to put up with the EDL attempting to terrorise them in their own homes and marching through their areas insulting and intimidating them.

So to sum up I would argue that the left do look the other way at times. I think they should at times be more critical but the reason they do this is not because of the conspiracy you suggest. It is because they want to work with the majority of Muslims against the far right. Historically they have been by far the most dangerous force even if views held by some, and I want to emphasise some, Muslims are extremely unpleasant.
[quote][p][bold]jondeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jondeer[/bold] wrote: http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/andrew gilligan/100140248/k en-livingstones-anti -fascist-group-appoi nts-fascist-as-vice- chair/[/p][/quote]A point that everyone is missing is why are the far left supporting Islam so much? A few years ago I was at marxism 2000 John Rees made a statement saying we have to stand by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best opportunity for revolution. Read the following about uaf carefully and join the dots. Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: February 29th, 2012 114 Comments Comment on this article One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.) Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam. ” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum." The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman. Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.) Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric. He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada. He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that. ” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter. It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist. And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone. In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up? Tags: east london mosque, extremism, ife, Ken Livingstone, lutfur rahman, Tower Hamlets[/p][/quote]I wont answer all the points here and know that I will be acused of ducking the issue but I will answer the ones I feel partially qualified to answer. I have no idea if John Rees said what you attribute to him but I imagine his view would be that Muslims are part of the working class and it is the working class that have made revolutions. The SWP is a Marxist party so this is hardly surprising really. John Rees is by the way no longer a member I understand. The next part of the comment seems to suggest that there is a conspiracy between the UAF and Ken Livingstone and Azad Ali, who is the vice Chair of UAF. This all means that the UAF keep quiet about Muslim extremists because because votes get delivered for Ken. Ken is described as the boss of Ali. I don't believe this to be true but I do suspect that his election was due to wanting Muslims on board in the fight against the far right. His election would have not been directly in Livingstone's power but part of a process that involved many in UAF. I would also argue that the UAF are not silent on the matters that you raise because it all is one big cosy club and delivers votes for Livingstone but I do think there is a blind spot on the left regarding some of the very extreme views held by some Muslims. The claims that you make about Azad Ali may be true, to be honest I am not sure. If they are true then I am not very keen on him having this position. However, this is for the UAF to look into. If these are views that are held then I think they should be challenged. However, I think the real reason why the left often over look such views is that they believe these views are only held by a minority of Muslims and believe the majority to act in a peaceful way. Indeed many of us have exactly that experience. It is also true that the press often just focuses on the extreme views of the few. This should not make the left (me included) deny that these views are held by some Muslims. I also believe that they should be challenged. It is clearly not right to support honour killings or keep silent on the matter or abuses that may take place against individuals by those seeking to justify this by quoting a passage from the Koran. It does though remain the case that this is a minority of Muslims. It is also the case that those Muslims and others should not have to put up with the EDL attempting to terrorise them in their own homes and marching through their areas insulting and intimidating them. So to sum up I would argue that the left do look the other way at times. I think they should at times be more critical but the reason they do this is not because of the conspiracy you suggest. It is because they want to work with the majority of Muslims against the far right. Historically they have been by far the most dangerous force even if views held by some, and I want to emphasise some, Muslims are extremely unpleasant. stevewhite

1:04am Mon 3 Sep 12

W F B says...

A huge Muslim march parades through Walthamstow every year and no one bats an eyelid.
Double standards will get peoples backs up and rightly so!
A huge Muslim march parades through Walthamstow every year and no one bats an eyelid. Double standards will get peoples backs up and rightly so! W F B

7:49am Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

I am interested to know why this would get people's backs up or be double standards? The Muslims as far as I know are not a bunch of offensive drunken yobs. Their purpose is not on record "to stop Militant secularism or militant Christianity". However, the EDL are on record to try and prevent the spread of "militant Islam".
I think many of them are white working class, many are without the jobs or the jobs they think they should have, homes or the respect that they think they deserve and they are generally fed up with things. They then look at the Muslims and think they are doing better than them and point their anger at the Muslims as the easiest target. Lets face it the Muslims have what they don't in many ways. A tight community, success and money in many cases. (This is a perception in the last example that is not always true in reality). They doubly resent the Muslims that don't appear to integrate and especially don't like what look like symbols of non-integration such as the head scarf. All of this is understandable to some extent but only to some extent and I would also they are going for the wrong target.
The EDL and people drawn to their way of thinking should in my opinion focus on the government as their main target. It is the government that have allowed the present situation to develop regards the employment and housing situation. They don't collect tax from the very rich and much of the tax collected goes on underwriting the weapon's industry. It is of course easier to blame Muslims but most of them do pay tax and are not the main cause of the problems in England today.
I am interested to know why this would get people's backs up or be double standards? The Muslims as far as I know are not a bunch of offensive drunken yobs. Their purpose is not on record "to stop Militant secularism or militant Christianity". However, the EDL are on record to try and prevent the spread of "militant Islam". I think many of them are white working class, many are without the jobs or the jobs they think they should have, homes or the respect that they think they deserve and they are generally fed up with things. They then look at the Muslims and think they are doing better than them and point their anger at the Muslims as the easiest target. Lets face it the Muslims have what they don't in many ways. A tight community, success and money in many cases. (This is a perception in the last example that is not always true in reality). They doubly resent the Muslims that don't appear to integrate and especially don't like what look like symbols of non-integration such as the head scarf. All of this is understandable to some extent but only to some extent and I would also they are going for the wrong target. The EDL and people drawn to their way of thinking should in my opinion focus on the government as their main target. It is the government that have allowed the present situation to develop regards the employment and housing situation. They don't collect tax from the very rich and much of the tax collected goes on underwriting the weapon's industry. It is of course easier to blame Muslims but most of them do pay tax and are not the main cause of the problems in England today. stevewhite

7:54am Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

there you go it only took a couple of days to blame the rich and tories. This situation is a creation of liebour plain and simple
there you go it only took a couple of days to blame the rich and tories. This situation is a creation of liebour plain and simple lee331

11:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

lee331 wrote:
there you go it only took a couple of days to blame the rich and tories. This situation is a creation of liebour plain and simple
I thought the point of this this was to have a reasoned debate - not to take cheap shots at anyone who disagrees with you? I would be interested to know exactly how this is a creation of Liebour (The Labour Party, I guess you mean) because no evidence or argument was given. I have attempted to provide a rational argument in all my comments at least.
Would you deny that there remain billions of unpaid taxes, which if collected could be used for job creation? Have you ever heard of the Export Credits Guarantee Department where British companies selling goods abroad can apply to the ECGD for a state-backed guarantee to recompense their banks if a deal falls through. No! That is where a huge amount of tax goes to prop up business deals especially in the arms trade. Look it up if you don't believe me. Alternatively you can just reply to any reasoned argument in cheap slogans.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: there you go it only took a couple of days to blame the rich and tories. This situation is a creation of liebour plain and simple[/p][/quote]I thought the point of this this was to have a reasoned debate - not to take cheap shots at anyone who disagrees with you? I would be interested to know exactly how this is a creation of Liebour (The Labour Party, I guess you mean) because no evidence or argument was given. I have attempted to provide a rational argument in all my comments at least. Would you deny that there remain billions of unpaid taxes, which if collected could be used for job creation? Have you ever heard of the Export Credits Guarantee Department where British companies selling goods abroad can apply to the ECGD for a state-backed guarantee to recompense their banks if a deal falls through. No! That is where a huge amount of tax goes to prop up business deals especially in the arms trade. Look it up if you don't believe me. Alternatively you can just reply to any reasoned argument in cheap slogans. stevewhite

12:50pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's
i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's lee331

12:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's
i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's lee331

1:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's
Look Labour have even removed all the capital letters from his keyboard...
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: i dont disagree some of these firms should cough up a bit more but to bash themwith massive tax hikes is a short term solution to a long term problem with debt in this country. labour propelled this contry on a downward spiral of public debt and welfare dependency just like they did in the 70's[/p][/quote]Look Labour have even removed all the capital letters from his keyboard... E17_er

1:24pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

OH GOODNESS I MUST BE stupid. Still cant see what that has to do with the left, piece by piece ruining this country
OH GOODNESS I MUST BE stupid. Still cant see what that has to do with the left, piece by piece ruining this country lee331

1:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

I think you are probably correct in your first assertion
I think you are probably correct in your first assertion stevewhite

1:40pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
OH GOODNESS I MUST BE stupid. Still cant see what that has to do with the left, piece by piece ruining this country
No need to shout. Not sure what your constant drone has to do with a bunch of non-residents turning up in the middle of my area to march uninvited.

I guess it must have been all those leftie bankers who had to be propped up by the taxpayers to the tune of many billions of pounds.

Back to your colouring-in books
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: OH GOODNESS I MUST BE stupid. Still cant see what that has to do with the left, piece by piece ruining this country[/p][/quote]No need to shout. Not sure what your constant drone has to do with a bunch of non-residents turning up in the middle of my area to march uninvited. I guess it must have been all those leftie bankers who had to be propped up by the taxpayers to the tune of many billions of pounds. Back to your colouring-in books E17_er

2:24pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

what gives you the right to say who comes and goes in our area?? did you show the same amount of distaste to the muslims against crusades when they showed up???
what gives you the right to say who comes and goes in our area?? did you show the same amount of distaste to the muslims against crusades when they showed up??? lee331

3:00pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
what gives you the right to say who comes and goes in our area?? did you show the same amount of distaste to the muslims against crusades when they showed up???
Yes I did. Try the yellow crayon. It's soothing
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: what gives you the right to say who comes and goes in our area?? did you show the same amount of distaste to the muslims against crusades when they showed up???[/p][/quote]Yes I did. Try the yellow crayon. It's soothing E17_er

3:22pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

typical leftist slander against non believers. i suppose you think walthamstan is cool eh?
typical leftist slander against non believers. i suppose you think walthamstan is cool eh? lee331

3:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
typical leftist slander against non believers. i suppose you think walthamstan is cool eh?
Not sure where this Walthamstan is that you're talking about? The only people preventing me from enjoying my pleasant Saturday afternoon pint, which I'm pretty sure is against Sharia law so I guess that isn't actually the case in Walthamstow, were the bunch of **** up morons who descended into Walthamstow.

Walthamstow is a pretty pleasant place to live when idiots aren't shouting their neanderthal opinions.

By the way slander refers to oral communication. Given that we aren't actually speaking I think you might have meant libel. Now as I answered your question and then tried to provide you with helpful advice (honestly try the yellow crayon, you can colour in the sun with it) I think you may have got confused again.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: typical leftist slander against non believers. i suppose you think walthamstan is cool eh?[/p][/quote]Not sure where this Walthamstan is that you're talking about? The only people preventing me from enjoying my pleasant Saturday afternoon pint, which I'm pretty sure is against Sharia law so I guess that isn't actually the case in Walthamstow, were the bunch of **** up morons who descended into Walthamstow. Walthamstow is a pretty pleasant place to live when idiots aren't shouting their neanderthal opinions. By the way slander refers to oral communication. Given that we aren't actually speaking I think you might have meant libel. Now as I answered your question and then tried to provide you with helpful advice (honestly try the yellow crayon, you can colour in the sun with it) I think you may have got confused again. E17_er

4:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

how long have you lived in walthamstow??
how long have you lived in walthamstow?? lee331

4:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
how long have you lived in walthamstow??
Is there a prize for length of residency? Excellent. I hope it's a carriage clock or something nice for above the fire place. I have been here for a few decades so hopefully I've qualified for a silver award or something.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]Is there a prize for length of residency? Excellent. I hope it's a carriage clock or something nice for above the fire place. I have been here for a few decades so hopefully I've qualified for a silver award or something. E17_er

6:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

typical smugness from the left
typical smugness from the left lee331

6:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
typical smugness from the left
I don't want to get ahead of myself I mean I don't know how nice the clock is. For all I know it might just be a cheap pen.

Not sure what all this left stuff is about though. Thinking that people being aggressive and drunken on the streets or trying to impose religion on other people is wrong hardly seems a left wing right wing issue.

Perhaps it's just easier for you to label people.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: typical smugness from the left[/p][/quote]I don't want to get ahead of myself I mean I don't know how nice the clock is. For all I know it might just be a cheap pen. Not sure what all this left stuff is about though. Thinking that people being aggressive and drunken on the streets or trying to impose religion on other people is wrong hardly seems a left wing right wing issue. Perhaps it's just easier for you to label people. E17_er

7:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Ferdy54 says...

Brilliant responses E17_er :-)

I don't think lee331 will be allowed to come on here when he's back at school tomorrow.
Brilliant responses E17_er :-) I don't think lee331 will be allowed to come on here when he's back at school tomorrow. Ferdy54

7:52pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity
zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity lee331

9:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

lee331 wrote:
zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity
Perhaps you should learn about politics because you know nothing about that. Perhaps you should learn about how to form an argument because there is also a lack of capability in this area. Perhaps ask the nice lady who teaches in the infant class that you attend how to concentrate and listen to others and then learn to pause and think before coming out with reactionary tripe. Then ask for the blue crayon, because you can't stand the colour red if it is on its own. Night night don't let the reds under the bed get you.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should learn about politics because you know nothing about that. Perhaps you should learn about how to form an argument because there is also a lack of capability in this area. Perhaps ask the nice lady who teaches in the infant class that you attend how to concentrate and listen to others and then learn to pause and think before coming out with reactionary tripe. Then ask for the blue crayon, because you can't stand the colour red if it is on its own. Night night don't let the reds under the bed get you. stevewhite

10:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

lee331 says...

stevewhite wrote:
lee331 wrote:
zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity
Perhaps you should learn about politics because you know nothing about that. Perhaps you should learn about how to form an argument because there is also a lack of capability in this area. Perhaps ask the nice lady who teaches in the infant class that you attend how to concentrate and listen to others and then learn to pause and think before coming out with reactionary tripe. Then ask for the blue crayon, because you can't stand the colour red if it is on its own. Night night don't let the reds under the bed get you.
there you go smugness once more from a member of the swp? uaf? liberty? amnesty international? am i getting warm?? hmm ok communist party of great britain?? the respect party?? phew im exhausted. I bet you weep tears of deep joy at the diversity of walthamstow all the algerian cafes (for which i rarely see women in), the polski skleps, the fried chicken shops, turkish supermarkets (who strangley can afford to remain open when business doesnt seem to be booming). All this is wonderful until we come to the evil capatalist owned betting shops...evil. One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street....
[quote][p][bold]stevewhite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: zzzz time for my bed time got school tommorrow have lots to learn about cultural diversity[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should learn about politics because you know nothing about that. Perhaps you should learn about how to form an argument because there is also a lack of capability in this area. Perhaps ask the nice lady who teaches in the infant class that you attend how to concentrate and listen to others and then learn to pause and think before coming out with reactionary tripe. Then ask for the blue crayon, because you can't stand the colour red if it is on its own. Night night don't let the reds under the bed get you.[/p][/quote]there you go smugness once more from a member of the swp? uaf? liberty? amnesty international? am i getting warm?? hmm ok communist party of great britain?? the respect party?? phew im exhausted. I bet you weep tears of deep joy at the diversity of walthamstow all the algerian cafes (for which i rarely see women in), the polski skleps, the fried chicken shops, turkish supermarkets (who strangley can afford to remain open when business doesnt seem to be booming). All this is wonderful until we come to the evil capatalist owned betting shops...evil. One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street.... lee331

1:13am Tue 4 Sep 12

W F B says...

W F B wrote:
A huge Muslim march parades through Walthamstow every year and no one bats an eyelid.
Double standards will get peoples backs up and rightly so!
@SteveWhite, when the Muslim march passes past my house every year which must be close to a thousand people,I honesty don't know what is being said through loud hailers (I don't speak Urdu) but it doesn't always come across as friendly...
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: A huge Muslim march parades through Walthamstow every year and no one bats an eyelid. Double standards will get peoples backs up and rightly so![/p][/quote]@SteveWhite, when the Muslim march passes past my house every year which must be close to a thousand people,I honesty don't know what is being said through loud hailers (I don't speak Urdu) but it doesn't always come across as friendly... W F B

7:12am Tue 4 Sep 12

G Sladden says...

I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life.

The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!)

And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on!

But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over...
I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life. The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!) And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on! But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over... G Sladden

8:17am Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

G Sladden wrote:
I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life. The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!) And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on! But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over...
careful G sladden you'll be labeled a racist shortly and be told to get your colouring crayons out!!. i like your posting
[quote][p][bold]G Sladden[/bold] wrote: I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life. The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!) And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on! But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over...[/p][/quote]careful G sladden you'll be labeled a racist shortly and be told to get your colouring crayons out!!. i like your posting lee331

8:22am Tue 4 Sep 12

myopinioncounts says...

lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority.
lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority. myopinioncounts

8:54am Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority.
This is a lefties wet dream. I sure hope you buy your copy of the big issue "homeless" roma gypsey outside walthamstow central station!!
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]This is a lefties wet dream. I sure hope you buy your copy of the big issue "homeless" roma gypsey outside walthamstow central station!! lee331

9:50am Tue 4 Sep 12

Sprocket says...

We're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored.
But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence.
I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists?
We're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored. But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence. I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists? Sprocket

10:04am Tue 4 Sep 12

Robert19 says...

lee331 wrote:
how long have you lived in walthamstow??
My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough. Robert19

10:50am Tue 4 Sep 12

Robert19 says...

lee331 wrote:
how long have you lived in walthamstow??
My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough. Robert19

10:50am Tue 4 Sep 12

Robert19 says...

lee331 wrote:
how long have you lived in walthamstow??
My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough. Robert19

11:34am Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Robert19 wrote:
lee331 wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??
My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.
does that include the M.A.C??
[quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.[/p][/quote]does that include the M.A.C?? lee331

1:50pm Tue 4 Sep 12

SPotts says...

Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.
Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten. SPotts

2:25pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

SPotts wrote:
Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.
How strange. I was quite capable of taking my child down the high street during the Olympics. Was it the farmer's market that you found so dangerous? Some of those cheeses can be pretty pungent.
[quote][p][bold]SPotts[/bold] wrote: Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.[/p][/quote]How strange. I was quite capable of taking my child down the high street during the Olympics. Was it the farmer's market that you found so dangerous? Some of those cheeses can be pretty pungent. E17_er

2:26pm Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

SPotts wrote:
Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.
But the lefties think its brilliant!!. I wonder what the social make up is at this moment in time of walthamstow...
[quote][p][bold]SPotts[/bold] wrote: Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.[/p][/quote]But the lefties think its brilliant!!. I wonder what the social make up is at this moment in time of walthamstow... lee331

2:56pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Alan_1976 says...

lee331 wrote:
SPotts wrote:
Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.
But the lefties think its brilliant!!. I wonder what the social make up is at this moment in time of walthamstow...
I'm white, British happily married living in Walthamstow. Do I scare you? I can see how you would find that a terrifying social makeup.

I love your persecution complex. This "majority" (counting is hard I know) that are scared to say things in case of losing their job. It is terrible when the majority (that's the big section) have made it illegal to say racist things. They've also made it illegal to be discriminate on the grounds of sex or sexual preference. Which pretty much rules out any Sharia law too.

God I hate all these equality rules that are grinding this country into the ground....
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPotts[/bold] wrote: Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.[/p][/quote]But the lefties think its brilliant!!. I wonder what the social make up is at this moment in time of walthamstow...[/p][/quote]I'm white, British happily married living in Walthamstow. Do I scare you? I can see how you would find that a terrifying social makeup. I love your persecution complex. This "majority" (counting is hard I know) that are scared to say things in case of losing their job. It is terrible when the majority (that's the big section) have made it illegal to say racist things. They've also made it illegal to be discriminate on the grounds of sex or sexual preference. Which pretty much rules out any Sharia law too. God I hate all these equality rules that are grinding this country into the ground.... Alan_1976

3:05pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
myopinioncounts wrote:
lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority.
This is a lefties wet dream. I sure hope you buy your copy of the big issue "homeless" roma gypsey outside walthamstow central station!!
I wonder why people call you racist? Something to do with your fixation on white people?
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: lee331 says."One day you might be the only white english speaking person left down your street...." It already seems that way when I go to Walthamstow High Street. I listen out for an English voice and they are a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]This is a lefties wet dream. I sure hope you buy your copy of the big issue "homeless" roma gypsey outside walthamstow central station!![/p][/quote]I wonder why people call you racist? Something to do with your fixation on white people? E17_er

4:03pm Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Oh thats right i must be a racist because i don't tow the socialist line....do you know what?? shock horror....i have black friends who i hang around with on a regular basis. So i guess yep i must be a seething psycho racist. And by the way they know i hate living here.
Oh thats right i must be a racist because i don't tow the socialist line....do you know what?? shock horror....i have black friends who i hang around with on a regular basis. So i guess yep i must be a seething psycho racist. And by the way they know i hate living here. lee331

5:00pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
Oh thats right i must be a racist because i don't tow the socialist line....do you know what?? shock horror....i have black friends who i hang around with on a regular basis. So i guess yep i must be a seething psycho racist. And by the way they know i hate living here.
Why so worried about being the only white face? What has white skin got to do with anything?

Obsessed much?
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: Oh thats right i must be a racist because i don't tow the socialist line....do you know what?? shock horror....i have black friends who i hang around with on a regular basis. So i guess yep i must be a seething psycho racist. And by the way they know i hate living here.[/p][/quote]Why so worried about being the only white face? What has white skin got to do with anything? Obsessed much? E17_er

5:15pm Tue 4 Sep 12

SPotts says...

Alan, you and other mis-guided locals may be interested in this video which was sent to me by family in Canada about a demonstration in the another breeding ground for home grown terrorists; Luton. These demos are allowed, is that equality? Suggest you click on the link and watch.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=NVn2N8bvU
CA
Alan, you and other mis-guided locals may be interested in this video which was sent to me by family in Canada about a demonstration in the another breeding ground for home grown terrorists; Luton. These demos are allowed, is that equality? Suggest you click on the link and watch. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NVn2N8bvU CA SPotts

6:15pm Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

ohhh e17 are you against the ropes because i have afro caribean friends i who dine with when work permits and also who i train down the gym with. E17 may i ask your views on the fact that what is it 25-30% of all new born babies are too non uk mothers?
ohhh e17 are you against the ropes because i have afro caribean friends i who dine with when work permits and also who i train down the gym with. E17 may i ask your views on the fact that what is it 25-30% of all new born babies are too non uk mothers? lee331

6:25pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

SPotts wrote:
Alan, you and other mis-guided locals may be interested in this video which was sent to me by family in Canada about a demonstration in the another breeding ground for home grown terrorists; Luton. These demos are allowed, is that equality? Suggest you click on the link and watch.

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=NVn2N8bvU

CA
Misguided locals. It's your way or the highway. Sounds like an indoctrination to me.

EDL and the Sharia brigade are made for each other.

Ever hear of the phrase two wrongs don't make a right or is that too complex for your brain cell to manage?

All I see in that video is more loonies and a very annoying whiny girl. It's like Catherine Tate arguing with Ali G.

Yawn.

EDL and UAF are made for each other.
[quote][p][bold]SPotts[/bold] wrote: Alan, you and other mis-guided locals may be interested in this video which was sent to me by family in Canada about a demonstration in the another breeding ground for home grown terrorists; Luton. These demos are allowed, is that equality? Suggest you click on the link and watch. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NVn2N8bvU CA[/p][/quote]Misguided locals. It's your way or the highway. Sounds like an indoctrination to me. EDL and the Sharia brigade are made for each other. Ever hear of the phrase two wrongs don't make a right or is that too complex for your brain cell to manage? All I see in that video is more loonies and a very annoying whiny girl. It's like Catherine Tate arguing with Ali G. Yawn. EDL and UAF are made for each other. E17_er

6:31pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
ohhh e17 are you against the ropes because i have afro caribean friends i who dine with when work permits and also who i train down the gym with. E17 may i ask your views on the fact that what is it 25-30% of all new born babies are too non uk mothers?
Am I against the ropes because you have black friends? What kind of weird universe are you in. One I presume the comedy of the fact that you have without irony just used the phrase....

Some of my friends are black...

If you don't understand how ridiculous that makes you sound I'm afraid you're beyond help.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: ohhh e17 are you against the ropes because i have afro caribean friends i who dine with when work permits and also who i train down the gym with. E17 may i ask your views on the fact that what is it 25-30% of all new born babies are too non uk mothers?[/p][/quote]Am I against the ropes because you have black friends? What kind of weird universe are you in. One I presume the comedy of the fact that you have without irony just used the phrase.... Some of my friends are black... If you don't understand how ridiculous that makes you sound I'm afraid you're beyond help. E17_er

6:43pm Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

are you always so smug??. It seems we are'nt allowed to have our own views, we must tow the S.W.P line...
are you always so smug??. It seems we are'nt allowed to have our own views, we must tow the S.W.P line... lee331

6:53pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
are you always so smug??. It seems we are'nt allowed to have our own views, we must tow the S.W.P line...
Toe the SWP line? That must be why they are the government currently.They aren't? How confusing!

I have nothing to do with The SWP. Would never vote for them. I consider showing up small minded bigots for the idiots they are as more of a hobby.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: are you always so smug??. It seems we are'nt allowed to have our own views, we must tow the S.W.P line...[/p][/quote]Toe the SWP line? That must be why they are the government currently.They aren't? How confusing! I have nothing to do with The SWP. Would never vote for them. I consider showing up small minded bigots for the idiots they are as more of a hobby. E17_er

7:04pm Tue 4 Sep 12

lee331 says...

a bigot because my views dont mirror yours
a bigot because my views dont mirror yours lee331

7:22pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
a bigot because my views dont mirror yours
A bigot because your views are bigoted. My views are indeed different from yours. Mine aren't bigoted. I don't judge people because they are "different" or "foreign". I judge someone by their words and actions. EDL? Bunch of drunken louts. Sharia Law lot? Intolerant sexist homophobes.

Too smug for you?
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: a bigot because my views dont mirror yours[/p][/quote]A bigot because your views are bigoted. My views are indeed different from yours. Mine aren't bigoted. I don't judge people because they are "different" or "foreign". I judge someone by their words and actions. EDL? Bunch of drunken louts. Sharia Law lot? Intolerant sexist homophobes. Too smug for you? E17_er

7:24pm Tue 4 Sep 12

W F B says...

As the EDL marched down forest rd on Saturday, none of them realised they was walking past a very infamous house, the liquid airline bombers property. Well done MI5 on that one, little something to think about, you know potential mass murder on a horrific scale all plotted from little ol’ Walthamstow, but let’s sweep that one under the carpet and pretend it never happened.
As the EDL marched down forest rd on Saturday, none of them realised they was walking past a very infamous house, the liquid airline bombers property. Well done MI5 on that one, little something to think about, you know potential mass murder on a horrific scale all plotted from little ol’ Walthamstow, but let’s sweep that one under the carpet and pretend it never happened. W F B

7:35pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

W F B wrote:
As the EDL marched down forest rd on Saturday, none of them realised they was walking past a very infamous house, the liquid airline bombers property. Well done MI5 on that one, little something to think about, you know potential mass murder on a horrific scale all plotted from little ol’ Walthamstow, but let’s sweep that one under the carpet and pretend it never happened.
I'm sure MI5 will appreciate the EDL's help is radicalising a few more impressionable youths by showing how pleasant they are.
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: As the EDL marched down forest rd on Saturday, none of them realised they was walking past a very infamous house, the liquid airline bombers property. Well done MI5 on that one, little something to think about, you know potential mass murder on a horrific scale all plotted from little ol’ Walthamstow, but let’s sweep that one under the carpet and pretend it never happened.[/p][/quote]I'm sure MI5 will appreciate the EDL's help is radicalising a few more impressionable youths by showing how pleasant they are. E17_er

7:42pm Tue 4 Sep 12

W F B says...

Changed flying throughout the world, glade the're all banged up in the're cushy cell's..
Changed flying throughout the world, glade the're all banged up in the're cushy cell's.. W F B

7:56pm Tue 4 Sep 12

E17_er says...

W F B wrote:
Changed flying throughout the world, glade the're all banged up in the're cushy cell's..
That must have been what the EDL were after. A nice holiday in a cushy cell. I'm considering taking the wife next year. She wanted somewhere sunny but I told her no. We'll go to some random town abuse the locals and with a bit of luck they'll lock us up for a while. The cells are top notch.
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: Changed flying throughout the world, glade the're all banged up in the're cushy cell's..[/p][/quote]That must have been what the EDL were after. A nice holiday in a cushy cell. I'm considering taking the wife next year. She wanted somewhere sunny but I told her no. We'll go to some random town abuse the locals and with a bit of luck they'll lock us up for a while. The cells are top notch. E17_er

8:23pm Tue 4 Sep 12

W F B says...

@ E17_er , Yeah why not sounds good. 3 meals a day what more can you ask.
@ E17_er , Yeah why not sounds good. 3 meals a day what more can you ask. W F B

9:10pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Robert19 says...

lee331 wrote:
Robert19 wrote:
lee331 wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??
My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.
does that include the M.A.C??
I find them just as odious as the EDL in their own way. Both deserve each other - right wing and anti democratic.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: how long have you lived in walthamstow??[/p][/quote]My great grandparents came to Walthamstow in about 1894. Now if the value of your contribution is measured on longevity I guess my views count a bit more (absolute rubbish of course). So I say with all the family experience of 118 years residence that I do not want racist thugs coming and attempting to destroy racial harmony in my borough.[/p][/quote]does that include the M.A.C??[/p][/quote]I find them just as odious as the EDL in their own way. Both deserve each other - right wing and anti democratic. Robert19

9:38pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Chappo says...

When I was young I watched a film called "El Cid" & wondered what it must be like living in the middle ages. ............. then I moved to Walthamstow! .......... };{i)
When I was young I watched a film called "El Cid" & wondered what it must be like living in the middle ages. ............. then I moved to Walthamstow! .......... };{i) Chappo

11:17pm Tue 4 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

SPotts wrote:
Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.
I find this response absolutely amazing. It is full of assumptions and is also incoherent. Lets start with well done Lee. Yes well done Lee for your fantastic range of assumptions and non-arguments throughout. I have enjoyed being called smug and a member of all sorts of groups that I am not a member of. I have mostly enjoyed the reference to crayons that others have made in response to you so make sure you keep the crayon inside the edges of the outlines in your colouring book.

Yes this truly is what most people feel of course. Although it isn't really is it? What I think you mean is it is what most people who are like you think. (forgive the assumption) What is happening in Tower Hamlets and Walthamstow? I guess you mean there are Muslims living there and other foreigners. Well so what? Do you mean the areas and country are being ruined because not everyone is like you? By the tone of your comments I think many people would be pleased that the country is not full of people like you.

Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign.
[quote][p][bold]SPotts[/bold] wrote: Well done lee331 for taking the time and trouble and bottle to say what a huge majority of English people (& non-English people) really feel but are scared to say about what is happening in England,and Walthamstow and Tower Hamlets in particular. Where do you think all the people who were born and bred in Walthamstow have gone and why? You don't have to be a thug or racist or fascist to despair at the way our country has been ruined and it's getting worse, but only some people are prepared to stand up and say anything for fear of losing their job or being labelled. 30 years ago I used to take my baby in his pram to Walthamstow High Street, I wouldn't set foot there now and there are loads of people that wanted to see the Olympics on a big screen but don't dare set foot in Walthamstow now because it's dangerous, filthy and rotten.[/p][/quote]I find this response absolutely amazing. It is full of assumptions and is also incoherent. Lets start with well done Lee. Yes well done Lee for your fantastic range of assumptions and non-arguments throughout. I have enjoyed being called smug and a member of all sorts of groups that I am not a member of. I have mostly enjoyed the reference to crayons that others have made in response to you so make sure you keep the crayon inside the edges of the outlines in your colouring book. Yes this truly is what most people feel of course. Although it isn't really is it? What I think you mean is it is what most people who are like you think. (forgive the assumption) What is happening in Tower Hamlets and Walthamstow? I guess you mean there are Muslims living there and other foreigners. Well so what? Do you mean the areas and country are being ruined because not everyone is like you? By the tone of your comments I think many people would be pleased that the country is not full of people like you. Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign. stevewhite

12:05am Wed 5 Sep 12

lee331 says...

tut tut Mr white refusing to accept the reality of how bad this area really is. It's ok Mr White you keep telling yourself how beautiful walthamstow is.
tut tut Mr white refusing to accept the reality of how bad this area really is. It's ok Mr White you keep telling yourself how beautiful walthamstow is. lee331

7:13am Wed 5 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
tut tut Mr white refusing to accept the reality of how bad this area really is. It's ok Mr White you keep telling yourself how beautiful walthamstow is.
Back again lee? Did you manage to escape your repression by the Judean People's Front or whoever it was that you thought you were being picked on by?
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: tut tut Mr white refusing to accept the reality of how bad this area really is. It's ok Mr White you keep telling yourself how beautiful walthamstow is.[/p][/quote]Back again lee? Did you manage to escape your repression by the Judean People's Front or whoever it was that you thought you were being picked on by? E17_er

7:38am Wed 5 Sep 12

G Sladden says...

stevewhite says...
>>Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign.”
stevewhite says... >>Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign.” G Sladden

7:39am Wed 5 Sep 12

G Sladden says...

stevewhite says...
>>Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign.”
stevewhite says... >>Oh the good old days! I could safely walk into Walthamstow. Now it is a filthy rotten place. It is dangerous don't you know? Filthy too! I wonder what this is all code for? Got it - SPotts wants to live in the 1950's with a lot of cheerful cockneys. This is not so easy to achieve so perhaps the next best thing is to attack anything different and foreign.” G Sladden

8:39am Wed 5 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Nope E17 its called work.....sorry to disapoint
Nope E17 its called work.....sorry to disapoint lee331

8:42am Wed 5 Sep 12

lee331 says...

G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end
G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end lee331

9:16am Wed 5 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end
I'm being repressed! I'm being repressed!
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end[/p][/quote]I'm being repressed! I'm being repressed! E17_er

8:34pm Wed 5 Sep 12

chingfordgirl says...

can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave..
can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave.. chingfordgirl

8:57pm Wed 5 Sep 12

lee331 says...

chingfordgirl wrote:
can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave..
Ohhhh chingford girl.....you best be ready for the pro sharia law pair of E17-ER and Mr Steve White to slap you down shortly, you must not speak ill of non whites.......it's forbidden
[quote][p][bold]chingfordgirl[/bold] wrote: can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave..[/p][/quote]Ohhhh chingford girl.....you best be ready for the pro sharia law pair of E17-ER and Mr Steve White to slap you down shortly, you must not speak ill of non whites.......it's forbidden lee331

9:19pm Wed 5 Sep 12

stevewhite says...

G Sladden wrote:
I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life.

The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!)

And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on!

But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over...
I thought I would be tempted to take this one on eventually so here goes. Crayons ready Lee.
The EDL are thugs probably. I don't believe that they are all Nazis as some on the left seem to claim. (You see Lee, I'm not in the SWP) However, many are drawn to far right politics-hence young Tommy's recent joining up with the British Freedom Party. They have links with the Dutch far right Freedom Party (are you following this Lee?) So, if the BFP or god forbid the BNP start to do well in the polls the EDL are likely to both vote and march through other areas. If they officially attach themselves to a far right party you have the makings of a SR Brown shirts street army possibly. the EDL are not a shirted army Black, or brown but could become that. This is why many are afraid of what they could become. Impossible? Not really, the Golden Dawn got a lot of votes in Greece - 20% or so because the economy went down. Italy and Spain's economies are failing and we are not far behind so none of this is impossible. (hope you are on board still Lee or are the crayons out yet?)

Soft Marxist doctrines hugh! This needs to be explained because the British media is far from left-wing. The mail, The Sun, Star, Express, Telegraph etc. All with larger circulations than the Independent and the Guardian, which lets face it are not exactly soft Marxist. Soft Maxism in Education Hugh! A highly proscribed National Curriculum, lots of religious schools, again I don't think so. Not much evidence from GSladden on this but some fine phrases.

Lets come to the political battle, which the Marxixts have won. This was not explained at all and I do not accept it either. Its hardly Petrograd 1917 is it? So the argument then turns on one in four babies born to foreigners and oh my god this includes Asians. Hardly Marxism is it? I wont bore you with arguments about the British Empire and no restrictions on immigration after WW2 etc but there are reasons for it based on the economic needs of the host country and the fact that Britain had an Empire.

What does the left do when a small group tells them that their multicultural dream sucks? They mobilise a larger number to prove that more people are against the EDL than support them. They hear speeches from the local MP and trade unionists and some religious leaders. They then march peacefully to the site where the EDL are protesting and march back to the town centre at the end. Some get carried away and mix it with the EDL but the majority do not, they are peaceful, so you have nothing to worry about. Many are older people who would never want a fight and it would be the last thing on their minds. As for the few hot heads I do not support their actions, I condem them for their lack of self control.
Sharia Law. I do not like it but it is not a demand for non Muslims. A gay free zone is not acceptable and not in the power of religious zealots to deliver. I would and do oppose both Sharia Law and anti-gay policy. I go further, I do not like any abuse of human rights in the name of religion or when abuses are justified with other reasons. However, most muslims are not religious zealots and they do not have the same potential threat as the far right in this country.
[quote][p][bold]G Sladden[/bold] wrote: I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road last Saturday and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life. The far left, and the left in general, on the other hand, worry me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!) And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise to throw stones at them: anything for a decent fight with the favourite enemy. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on! But since I know that you are an educated, coherent and highly moral group (unlike those ghastly right-wing fascists!), I look forward to your strong presence and moral indignation the next time a bunch of thugs marches through the borough demanding sharia law for the UK. Or speak-up very loudly and very clearly, when areas of Tower Hamlet are 'declared' gay free zone. Sadly, I suspect hell will freeze over...[/p][/quote]I thought I would be tempted to take this one on eventually so here goes. Crayons ready Lee. The EDL are thugs probably. I don't believe that they are all Nazis as some on the left seem to claim. (You see Lee, I'm not in the SWP) However, many are drawn to far right politics-hence young Tommy's recent joining up with the British Freedom Party. They have links with the Dutch far right Freedom Party (are you following this Lee?) So, if the BFP or god forbid the BNP start to do well in the polls the EDL are likely to both vote and march through other areas. If they officially attach themselves to a far right party you have the makings of a SR Brown shirts street army possibly. the EDL are not a shirted army Black, or brown but could become that. This is why many are afraid of what they could become. Impossible? Not really, the Golden Dawn got a lot of votes in Greece - 20% or so because the economy went down. Italy and Spain's economies are failing and we are not far behind so none of this is impossible. (hope you are on board still Lee or are the crayons out yet?) Soft Marxist doctrines hugh! This needs to be explained because the British media is far from left-wing. The mail, The Sun, Star, Express, Telegraph etc. All with larger circulations than the Independent and the Guardian, which lets face it are not exactly soft Marxist. Soft Maxism in Education Hugh! A highly proscribed National Curriculum, lots of religious schools, again I don't think so. Not much evidence from GSladden on this but some fine phrases. Lets come to the political battle, which the Marxixts have won. This was not explained at all and I do not accept it either. Its hardly Petrograd 1917 is it? So the argument then turns on one in four babies born to foreigners and oh my god this includes Asians. Hardly Marxism is it? I wont bore you with arguments about the British Empire and no restrictions on immigration after WW2 etc but there are reasons for it based on the economic needs of the host country and the fact that Britain had an Empire. What does the left do when a small group tells them that their multicultural dream sucks? They mobilise a larger number to prove that more people are against the EDL than support them. They hear speeches from the local MP and trade unionists and some religious leaders. They then march peacefully to the site where the EDL are protesting and march back to the town centre at the end. Some get carried away and mix it with the EDL but the majority do not, they are peaceful, so you have nothing to worry about. Many are older people who would never want a fight and it would be the last thing on their minds. As for the few hot heads I do not support their actions, I condem them for their lack of self control. Sharia Law. I do not like it but it is not a demand for non Muslims. A gay free zone is not acceptable and not in the power of religious zealots to deliver. I would and do oppose both Sharia Law and anti-gay policy. I go further, I do not like any abuse of human rights in the name of religion or when abuses are justified with other reasons. However, most muslims are not religious zealots and they do not have the same potential threat as the far right in this country. stevewhite

10:18pm Wed 5 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
chingfordgirl wrote:
can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave..
Ohhhh chingford girl.....you best be ready for the pro sharia law pair of E17-ER and Mr Steve White to slap you down shortly, you must not speak ill of non whites.......it's forbidden
Ah yes. Pro-sharia. That's me. Lee reading must be hard for you. Comprehension is certainly beyond you. I guess the phrase I used "intolerant sexist homophobes" probably had words with too many syllables for you.

You keep writing. You just illustrate to everyone with every extra post that you're either a sad little troll or just plain stupid.

Sounds to me like chingfordgirl actually has an opinion she's thought about whether I fully agree with it or not. I presume you got yours off a toilet wall somewhere
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chingfordgirl[/bold] wrote: can i just say i do not agree with any of this but i do believe these people have a right to do their march..same as the muslims..i get both sides..if muslims want there laws they should have them in their country..we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here..but then also i understand this is a minority of muslims..there are some hardworking muslims they have a right to be here..i noticed a lot of the edl were infact elderly people who have a chip ont heir shoulder because they remember what england used to be..but this is the 21st century and we all have a right to free speech and to be safe..but must i say all the foreigners who are here and have the nerve to complain about our country i have one thing to say..you put up or shut up and leave..[/p][/quote]Ohhhh chingford girl.....you best be ready for the pro sharia law pair of E17-ER and Mr Steve White to slap you down shortly, you must not speak ill of non whites.......it's forbidden[/p][/quote]Ah yes. Pro-sharia. That's me. Lee reading must be hard for you. Comprehension is certainly beyond you. I guess the phrase I used "intolerant sexist homophobes" probably had words with too many syllables for you. You keep writing. You just illustrate to everyone with every extra post that you're either a sad little troll or just plain stupid. Sounds to me like chingfordgirl actually has an opinion she's thought about whether I fully agree with it or not. I presume you got yours off a toilet wall somewhere E17_er

11:00pm Wed 5 Sep 12

lee331 says...

Nope not a toilet wall although im guessing that's where you do most of your thinking sat stinking the toliet out. Just admit your a pro palestine, tree hugging, tory hating, self righteous leftie rebel.....
Nope not a toilet wall although im guessing that's where you do most of your thinking sat stinking the toliet out. Just admit your a pro palestine, tree hugging, tory hating, self righteous leftie rebel..... lee331

6:59am Thu 6 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
Nope not a toilet wall although im guessing that's where you do most of your thinking sat stinking the toliet out. Just admit your a pro palestine, tree hugging, tory hating, self righteous leftie rebel.....
So you decided on troll then. Good stuff
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: Nope not a toilet wall although im guessing that's where you do most of your thinking sat stinking the toliet out. Just admit your a pro palestine, tree hugging, tory hating, self righteous leftie rebel.....[/p][/quote]So you decided on troll then. Good stuff E17_er

8:52am Thu 6 Sep 12

lee331 says...

grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption......
grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption...... lee331

11:00am Thu 6 Sep 12

E17_er says...

lee331 wrote:
grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption......
If you're talking about your (see how the two versions of you're and your are different and mean different things) previous comment you didn't actually ask a question. You made a statement. Questions end with question marks. Your comment ended with a stream of full stops like your crayon had got stuck in the keyboard.

In case you need the answers for your school project or maybe for the after-school junior fascist club...

Pro Palestine -- I imagine that must be quite a confusing one for you. I find that issue to be a little bit more complex that pro/anti given the history going back to the Balfour declaration which really makes the UK quite a bit to blame for messing that area up. Promising the same bit of land to two people never tends to turn out well.

Tree Hugging - Prefer my wife personally. Though perhaps you were suggesting that a consideration for other's and the planet in general through some form of environmental awareness is a bad thing? I'm pro-nuclear as anyone who has done the numbers knows that for short to medium term the renewable technology can't generate sufficient energy.

Tory Hating - You seem to have a lot of rage. There's a lot of hating going on. I disagree with a number of their policies but then that statement is true of all the political parties. Hate? No. Disagree with their policies in a number of areas. Absolutely.

Self Righteous - I notice that everyone who has disagreed with you you have merely labelled smug or self righteous. I guess that's easier for you than actually putting together a cogent coherent argument. It is hard for you to listen when you are shouting all the time. You quite clearly never bother to read the replies you've been given.

Leftie - I write with my right hand.

Rebel - I do own a copy somewhere of a Billy Idol single.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption......[/p][/quote]If you're talking about your (see how the two versions of you're and your are different and mean different things) previous comment you didn't actually ask a question. You made a statement. Questions end with question marks. Your comment ended with a stream of full stops like your crayon had got stuck in the keyboard. In case you need the answers for your school project or maybe for the after-school junior fascist club... Pro Palestine -- I imagine that must be quite a confusing one for you. I find that issue to be a little bit more complex that pro/anti given the history going back to the Balfour declaration which really makes the UK quite a bit to blame for messing that area up. Promising the same bit of land to two people never tends to turn out well. Tree Hugging - Prefer my wife personally. Though perhaps you were suggesting that a consideration for other's and the planet in general through some form of environmental awareness is a bad thing? I'm pro-nuclear as anyone who has done the numbers knows that for short to medium term the renewable technology can't generate sufficient energy. Tory Hating - You seem to have a lot of rage. There's a lot of hating going on. I disagree with a number of their policies but then that statement is true of all the political parties. Hate? No. Disagree with their policies in a number of areas. Absolutely. Self Righteous - I notice that everyone who has disagreed with you you have merely labelled smug or self righteous. I guess that's easier for you than actually putting together a cogent coherent argument. It is hard for you to listen when you are shouting all the time. You quite clearly never bother to read the replies you've been given. Leftie - I write with my right hand. Rebel - I do own a copy somewhere of a Billy Idol single. E17_er

11:40am Thu 6 Sep 12

jhonmartal says...

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Really awesome blog i enjoyed the site and especially the site layout is very nice and awesome.Picture given above is nice too. caring whispers jhonmartal

12:09pm Thu 6 Sep 12

lee331 says...

E17_er wrote:
lee331 wrote: grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption......
If you're talking about your (see how the two versions of you're and your are different and mean different things) previous comment you didn't actually ask a question. You made a statement. Questions end with question marks. Your comment ended with a stream of full stops like your crayon had got stuck in the keyboard. In case you need the answers for your school project or maybe for the after-school junior fascist club... Pro Palestine -- I imagine that must be quite a confusing one for you. I find that issue to be a little bit more complex that pro/anti given the history going back to the Balfour declaration which really makes the UK quite a bit to blame for messing that area up. Promising the same bit of land to two people never tends to turn out well. Tree Hugging - Prefer my wife personally. Though perhaps you were suggesting that a consideration for other's and the planet in general through some form of environmental awareness is a bad thing? I'm pro-nuclear as anyone who has done the numbers knows that for short to medium term the renewable technology can't generate sufficient energy. Tory Hating - You seem to have a lot of rage. There's a lot of hating going on. I disagree with a number of their policies but then that statement is true of all the political parties. Hate? No. Disagree with their policies in a number of areas. Absolutely. Self Righteous - I notice that everyone who has disagreed with you you have merely labelled smug or self righteous. I guess that's easier for you than actually putting together a cogent coherent argument. It is hard for you to listen when you are shouting all the time. You quite clearly never bother to read the replies you've been given. Leftie - I write with my right hand. Rebel - I do own a copy somewhere of a Billy Idol single.
back to my diversty booklit i go...
[quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: grrrr the nasty troll from under the bridge. Although you didnt give an answer just an assumption......[/p][/quote]If you're talking about your (see how the two versions of you're and your are different and mean different things) previous comment you didn't actually ask a question. You made a statement. Questions end with question marks. Your comment ended with a stream of full stops like your crayon had got stuck in the keyboard. In case you need the answers for your school project or maybe for the after-school junior fascist club... Pro Palestine -- I imagine that must be quite a confusing one for you. I find that issue to be a little bit more complex that pro/anti given the history going back to the Balfour declaration which really makes the UK quite a bit to blame for messing that area up. Promising the same bit of land to two people never tends to turn out well. Tree Hugging - Prefer my wife personally. Though perhaps you were suggesting that a consideration for other's and the planet in general through some form of environmental awareness is a bad thing? I'm pro-nuclear as anyone who has done the numbers knows that for short to medium term the renewable technology can't generate sufficient energy. Tory Hating - You seem to have a lot of rage. There's a lot of hating going on. I disagree with a number of their policies but then that statement is true of all the political parties. Hate? No. Disagree with their policies in a number of areas. Absolutely. Self Righteous - I notice that everyone who has disagreed with you you have merely labelled smug or self righteous. I guess that's easier for you than actually putting together a cogent coherent argument. It is hard for you to listen when you are shouting all the time. You quite clearly never bother to read the replies you've been given. Leftie - I write with my right hand. Rebel - I do own a copy somewhere of a Billy Idol single.[/p][/quote]back to my diversty booklit i go... lee331

4:56pm Thu 6 Sep 12

mouradkhada says...

Who, WHO, sets up disorder, rife hatred and mayhem?
The so-called fascists? The so-called neo-nazis trying trying to seize up democracy?
Shame on the media, turning a blind eye on the leftist rabble and its bigot allies riotous and totalitarian behaviour and fascistic methods!

Rather than chanting "EDL off "our" streets", they should sing the Horst Wessel Lied, which is more appropriate to their line!
Who, WHO, sets up disorder, rife hatred and mayhem? The so-called fascists? The so-called neo-nazis trying trying to seize up democracy? Shame on the media, turning a blind eye on the leftist rabble and its bigot allies riotous and totalitarian behaviour and fascistic methods! Rather than chanting "EDL off "our" streets", they should sing the Horst Wessel Lied, which is more appropriate to their line! mouradkhada

5:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12

lee331 says...

bored are we E17??. Isnt it time for you to cook your dinner?
bored are we E17??. Isnt it time for you to cook your dinner? lee331

9:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

cat-lover says...

Chingfordgirl said ".we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here.."

What a laughable comment. Are you aware of how many countries Britain colonised? Part of that process was to enforce British law on that country.

Lee331 - is that the number of brain cells that you possess? You make snide comments about non-whites, yet balk at being called racist. At least have the courage of your keyboard convictions.
Chingfordgirl said ".we do not go to their country and demand our laws therefore they shouldnt do it here.." What a laughable comment. Are you aware of how many countries Britain colonised? Part of that process was to enforce British law on that country. Lee331 - is that the number of brain cells that you possess? You make snide comments about non-whites, yet balk at being called racist. At least have the courage of your keyboard convictions. cat-lover

12:30am Fri 7 Sep 12

You123 says...

lee331 wrote:
G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end
some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable.
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end[/p][/quote]some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable. You123

12:58am Fri 7 Sep 12

lee331 says...

you123 i hope your ready for an E17 volley he doesnt tolerate such talk!!. by the way he's hijacked my profile name
you123 i hope your ready for an E17 volley he doesnt tolerate such talk!!. by the way he's hijacked my profile name lee331

9:06am Fri 7 Sep 12

E17_er says...

You123 wrote:
lee331 wrote:
G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end
some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable.
School places being in shortage is indeed a problem. A key cause of that was obviously the cancelling of the School building program in 2010.

I don't think the solution to that problem lies with bringing in a bunch of drunken idiots and having them march around. Nor does it lie with building segregated religious schools or the loony creationist schools that the current education minister seems so fond of.
[quote][p][bold]You123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end[/p][/quote]some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable.[/p][/quote]School places being in shortage is indeed a problem. A key cause of that was obviously the cancelling of the School building program in 2010. I don't think the solution to that problem lies with bringing in a bunch of drunken idiots and having them march around. Nor does it lie with building segregated religious schools or the loony creationist schools that the current education minister seems so fond of. E17_er

9:20am Fri 7 Sep 12

lee331 says...

so nothing to with immigration?? It's all because of Thatchers lot!
so nothing to with immigration?? It's all because of Thatchers lot! lee331

10:47am Fri 7 Sep 12

Alan_1976 says...

lee331 wrote:
you123 i hope your ready for an E17 volley he doesnt tolerate such talk!!. by the way he's hijacked my profile name
Maybe some immigrants stole your profile name...
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: you123 i hope your ready for an E17 volley he doesnt tolerate such talk!!. by the way he's hijacked my profile name[/p][/quote]Maybe some immigrants stole your profile name... Alan_1976

2:48pm Fri 7 Sep 12

lee331 says...

ah another leftie??
ah another leftie?? lee331

3:11pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Alan_1976 says...

lee331 wrote:
ah another leftie??
Your shift key too by the looks of it
[quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: ah another leftie??[/p][/quote]Your shift key too by the looks of it Alan_1976

6:50pm Fri 7 Sep 12

You123 says...

E17_er wrote:
You123 wrote:
lee331 wrote:
G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end
some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable.
School places being in shortage is indeed a problem. A key cause of that was obviously the cancelling of the School building program in 2010.

I don't think the solution to that problem lies with bringing in a bunch of drunken idiots and having them march around. Nor does it lie with building segregated religious schools or the loony creationist schools that the current education minister seems so fond of.
I agree...there is not a lot that a bunch of drunken idiots are able to solve to be honest.... it may however explain why some people may be slightly disgruntled by the state in which we live.
What is your definition of a "loony creationist school?" Out of interest what do you do for a living?
[quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lee331[/bold] wrote: G sladden you may aswell save your fingers, it seems Mr White and E17 enjoy living in a cesspit, and if they cannot see how bad this area is not just for the people living here but the general state of it then they never will. Denial until the end[/p][/quote]some people have obviously been fortunate enough to not be personally touched or affected by the "goings on" in Walthamstow... lucky them. Incidently.... we are running out of spaces for our children to attend their local schools. Maybe e17er and co may think slightly differently if they have to trek across London on 3 different buses to get their kids in to an appropriate educational setting due to the immense over crowdedness of inner city boroughs. A 1950's Walthamstow may then be a little more desirable.[/p][/quote]School places being in shortage is indeed a problem. A key cause of that was obviously the cancelling of the School building program in 2010. I don't think the solution to that problem lies with bringing in a bunch of drunken idiots and having them march around. Nor does it lie with building segregated religious schools or the loony creationist schools that the current education minister seems so fond of.[/p][/quote]I agree...there is not a lot that a bunch of drunken idiots are able to solve to be honest.... it may however explain why some people may be slightly disgruntled by the state in which we live. What is your definition of a "loony creationist school?" Out of interest what do you do for a living? You123

8:41am Sat 8 Sep 12

E17_er says...

This http://www.humanism.
org.uk/news/view/108
2 covers the creationist schools side of things. I work in IT
This http://www.humanism. org.uk/news/view/108 2 covers the creationist schools side of things. I work in IT E17_er

2:56pm Sun 9 Sep 12

merlin70 says...

Afternoon people, well while all the keyboard stuff has been going on, the edl have cancelled the Norwich demo and decided to come back here. 27.10.2012, this time, with a little bit of grovelling to the footy hooligan element, there is likely to be more drunken hooligans around.

http://casualsunited
.wordpress.com/

tommy/stephen whaterhisname is, may not be here though, facing one of many court appearances, a very serious one relating to mortgage fraud and tax evasion (Which he blames on a state set up, er who signed the forms?)

Uncle Kev, will keep out of the way as he is looking to become a Police Commissioner in sunny Luton.

Having seen lots of coverage of the day it may be an idea to warn the Police that outside intelligence believes there IS likely to be violence.....discuss
!

In a spirit of goodwill it should also be appropriate to provide some help with toilets, or advise them not to have several pints before boarding atrain to somewhere you know doesn't want you, and then complaining about it.

Or maybe stay at home with your families and play on computers.

Based on the numbers I would consider the anti numbers increasing too, the authorities need to look very carefully at the assertion that they are coming for a rematch, all the chatter is about no liaison with "plod", their words not mine.

This is what happens, if you ignore them they go away, er no, they go on the rampage abusing anyone they like and smashing the place up, well that is the impression from looking at previous demos when they had numbers, and their keyboard army comments.

Anyway back out in the real world!!!
Afternoon people, well while all the keyboard stuff has been going on, the edl have cancelled the Norwich demo and decided to come back here. 27.10.2012, this time, with a little bit of grovelling to the footy hooligan element, there is likely to be more drunken hooligans around. http://casualsunited .wordpress.com/ tommy/stephen whaterhisname is, may not be here though, facing one of many court appearances, a very serious one relating to mortgage fraud and tax evasion (Which he blames on a state set up, er who signed the forms?) Uncle Kev, will keep out of the way as he is looking to become a Police Commissioner in sunny Luton. Having seen lots of coverage of the day it may be an idea to warn the Police that outside intelligence believes there IS likely to be violence.....discuss ! In a spirit of goodwill it should also be appropriate to provide some help with toilets, or advise them not to have several pints before boarding atrain to somewhere you know doesn't want you, and then complaining about it. Or maybe stay at home with your families and play on computers. Based on the numbers I would consider the anti numbers increasing too, the authorities need to look very carefully at the assertion that they are coming for a rematch, all the chatter is about no liaison with "plod", their words not mine. This is what happens, if you ignore them they go away, er no, they go on the rampage abusing anyone they like and smashing the place up, well that is the impression from looking at previous demos when they had numbers, and their keyboard army comments. Anyway back out in the real world!!! merlin70

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