UPDATE: Sex smear councillor's "political career over"
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| Miranda Grell leaving court today |
MIRANDA Grell has been found guilty of falsely claiming her gay election rival is a paedophile during last year's local election.
The 29-year-old was convicted on two counts under the Representation of the People Act and is automatically disqualified from holding office, prompting a by-election.
District Judge John Woollard said he had no reason to doubt the testimony of two witnesses, Kevin Sorkin and ex-partner Naomi Robinson, who claimed Grell told them former Liberal Democrat councillor Barry Smith has a sexual interest in young Thai boys.
He also described Caroline Dargan, who told Waltham Forest Magistrates Court that Ms Grell made similar claims during a visit to her home, as a "very credible witness".
Judge Woollard highlighted Grell's admission during a police interview that she had told Mr Sorkin that Mr Smith is gay and falsely stated he has a 19-year-old Thai boyfriend.
He said the words she confessed to using bore a "striking resemblance" to the claims made by four witnesses.
Despite admitting she was an impressive young lady who had carved out a remarkable career for herself, Judge Woollard rejected Grell's claim that she was the victim of a conspiracy hatched by her political rivals in revenge for the loss of the previously safe seat.
He said there was no evidence Mr Smith, local Liberal Democrat councillors and the five witnesses who testified against her plotted her downfall.
Fining her £1,000 with £3,000 costs, Judge Woollard admitted the verdict spelled the end of the popular representative's promising political career.
Grell is the first person to be convicted for making false statements against an election rival under the 1983 act.
Speaking outside court on behalf of Mr Smith, Cllr Keith Rayner said: "Barry would like to say thank you to all the members of the public who have supported him over the last 18 months.
"This has destroyed his life and left him and his family in a very traumatic situation.
"He has had to move away from the community, the authority, from colleagues and friends and start all over again because he has been persecuted for his sexuality."
He added that the verdict was a victory for democracy and said Mr Smith did not hold a grudge against any political party.
Mr Smith had earlier told the court that he had been followed, spat at and threatened in the street following the election.
He said hostility from some residents during while canvassing in the days running up to the May ballot prompted him to erect a security gate at his home.
Waltham Forest Council confirmed Grell will cease member responsibilities immediately, pending an appeal. A council statement read: "Cllr Grell's conviction means she is automatically disqualified by law from holding office as a councillor for three years.
"She is also under a duty to vacate her office as a councillor. This duty may be suspended for up to three months if Cllr Grell appeals against her conviction.
"In the meantime, the law requires that she is suspended from performing any functions as a councillor with immediate effect. In accordance with its legal duties, the council is taking appropriate steps to apply this suspension."
7:03pm Friday 21st September 2007
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CommentPosted by: Bella on 8:46am Sat 22 Sep 07
I can only hope that if Grell appeals the council deals with the matter promptly and we do not find that incompetence leads to Grell still being in post in 1 years time.
I can only hope that if Grell appeals the council deals with the matter promptly and we do not find that incompetence leads to Grell still being in post in 1 years time.
Posted by: frances Smith on 2:19pm Sat 22 Sep 07
Cllr Grell has thankfully been found guilty of exhibiting not only homophobic slander but also the dirty tactics of the Labour Party as a whole. Anyone wishing to avoid future filthy of this kind should vote for the ladies and gentlemen of the Conservative party - a group who has never had to stoop to using the despicable tactics of ex-councillors like Grell.
Cllr Grell has thankfully been found guilty of exhibiting not only homophobic slander but also the dirty tactics of the Labour Party as a whole. Anyone wishing to avoid future filthy of this kind should vote for the ladies and gentlemen of the Conservative party - a group who has never had to stoop to using the despicable tactics of ex-councillors like Grell.
Posted by: Chris Paul, Manchester on 11:09am Sun 23 Sep 07
Is that ironic Frances Smith? In Manchester City Centre ward last campaign we had homophobic country Tories apparently bussed in from Cheshire and Merseyside.
They did not claim that anyone was a paedophile but to the acute embarrassment of a local Tory supporter who was working with them they ripped into a picture of our candidate on a Gay Pride parade and suggested that this should not take place: "What about the rest of us" they said.
The Tory candidate later insisted these rugger boys were in fact all gay themselves.
Whatever may have gone on this verdict doesn't look very sound from press coverage. But at least the EL Guardian has made it clear what the judge said. i.e. that the judge decided to believe Kevin Sorkin and ex-partner Naomi Robinson.
Is that ironic Frances Smith? In Manchester City Centre ward last campaign we had homophobic country Tories apparently bussed in from Cheshire and Merseyside.
They did not claim that anyone was a paedophile but to the acute embarrassment of a local Tory supporter who was working with them they ripped into a picture of our candidate on a Gay Pride parade and suggested that this should not take place: "What about the rest of us" they said.
The Tory candidate later insisted these rugger boys were in fact all gay themselves.
Whatever may have gone on this verdict doesn't look very sound from press coverage. But at least the EL Guardian has made it clear what the judge said. i.e. that the judge decided to believe Kevin Sorkin and ex-partner Naomi Robinson.
Posted by: Anonymous on 1:29pm Sun 23 Sep 07
My friend was in court. They say that this judge's basis for believing the Lib Dem witnesses was literally that they were a bit thick. That they didn't have the wit to make something up.
Miranda Grell should take a week or two off and then come back fighting. I don't think it is possible that she could draw another knee-jerk judge who would back her accusers for being too stupid to lie sucessfully.
Miranda in contrast is clearly bright as a button. She has been victimised for that by a judge with a chip.
My friend was in court. They say that this judge's basis for believing the Lib Dem witnesses was literally that they were a bit thick. That they didn't have the wit to make something up.
Miranda Grell should take a week or two off and then come back fighting. I don't think it is possible that she could draw another knee-jerk judge who would back her accusers for being too stupid to lie sucessfully.
Miranda in contrast is clearly bright as a button. She has been victimised for that by a judge with a chip.
Posted by: Theo Biron, London on 1:57pm Sun 23 Sep 07
I am gay and a Tory supporter and I live in waltham Forest so unlike Chris Paul in Manchester at least I am in a position to know how the Tories behave in Waltham Forest. The Tories in this borough have treated me with nothing but courtesy and are supportive of myself and other gays who have experienced homophobic problems caused by our neighbours. People like Grell should get lost. We don't need them adding to our problems. Grell's anti gay slurs showed a level of idiocy that was dangerous. If she hadn't made an anti-gay slur then she would have made a racist one. That's her mindset. And we don't want intellectually defective people like her - least of all serving as councillors. I want to thank the Guardian for covering this interesting and land mark case. I also want to thank Clyde Loakes for the Speech of Apology that he is going to deliver to everyone in this borough - after all, the ultimate responsibility for Grell's despicable behaviour lays with him. So, let's be having you Clyde! Do the decent thing, and admit your Labour made a huge mistake in assessing Grell as a suitable candidate to run as councillor when, all the time, she held views that were totally incompatible with the Labour party, with Article 54, and every other Human Rights charter. And I repeat. Frances Smith is right: the Tories in Waltham Forest would never have stooped to behaving as Grell did. As for the person who posted the anonymous message you make me laugh and cleraly don't have the courage of your convictions. Why do you need to be anonymous eh? And isn't it a bit racist of you to use the term 'bright as a button' when describing Grell? In Britain of the 1950's
Bright as a button' was a euphemism used to describe black children who were cute. I think you might be a racist. Certainly, you are as ignorant as Grell. Barry: Good Luck to you Theo Biron, WF.
I am gay and a Tory supporter and I live in waltham Forest so unlike Chris Paul in Manchester at least I am in a position to know how the Tories behave in Waltham Forest. The Tories in this borough have treated me with nothing but courtesy and are supportive of myself and other gays who have experienced homophobic problems caused by our neighbours. People like Grell should get lost. We don't need them adding to our problems. Grell's anti gay slurs showed a level of idiocy that was dangerous. If she hadn't made an anti-gay slur then she would have made a racist one. That's her mindset. And we don't want intellectually defective people like her - least of all serving as councillors. I want to thank the Guardian for covering this interesting and land mark case. I also want to thank Clyde Loakes for the Speech of Apology that he is going to deliver to everyone in this borough - after all, the ultimate responsibility for Grell's despicable behaviour lays with him. So, let's be having you Clyde! Do the decent thing, and admit your Labour made a huge mistake in assessing Grell as a suitable candidate to run as councillor when, all the time, she held views that were totally incompatible with the Labour party, with Article 54, and every other Human Rights charter. And I repeat. Frances Smith is right: the Tories in Waltham Forest would never have stooped to behaving as Grell did. As for the person who posted the anonymous message you make me laugh and cleraly don't have the courage of your convictions. Why do you need to be anonymous eh? And isn't it a bit racist of you to use the term 'bright as a button' when describing Grell? In Britain of the 1950's
Bright as a button' was a euphemism used to describe black children who were cute. I think you might be a racist. Certainly, you are as ignorant as Grell. Barry: Good Luck to you Theo Biron, WF.
Posted by: Pete, Walthamstow on 2:08pm Sun 23 Sep 07
Grell's a load of rubbish and we're well rid of her. I am not gay and I don't vote Tory but Labour made a big mistake in letting her loose on the public and I hope Clyde Loakes will pay for it. My question is how many other Labour councillors at Waltham Forest have views like Grell's? What if she is not the only one? The whole Labour party is rotten in my view and so are the Lib Dems. If I was going to vote I think I would vote Conservative because they're the only councillors in Waltham Forest who have a) not caused any scandals and b) worked to promote the needs and interests of the public rather than their own agenda - unlike the Labour party who are a load of self publicising hypocrites who are only hanging about in our borough because they're dying to get into Westminster where they'll soon be sucking up to the Tories anyway. And let's not forget that Labour are the ones who sent our boys into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight Bush's Zionist war for him and his financial backers. And far from being the aspiring social climbers they are Labour are now starting to look more like wallflowers since this Grell business - I haven't heard a dickey bird out of them by way of apology and I think we all deserve one actually. Isn't it odd how Labour go all quiet and maiden aunt--ish when the crap hits the fan. As for the Manchester bloke who says Tories ripped up a photo of their candidate well I am not surprised - he was probably an ugly bruiser with a barrel chest. Cheers, Pete
Grell's a load of rubbish and we're well rid of her. I am not gay and I don't vote Tory but Labour made a big mistake in letting her loose on the public and I hope Clyde Loakes will pay for it. My question is how many other Labour councillors at Waltham Forest have views like Grell's? What if she is not the only one? The whole Labour party is rotten in my view and so are the Lib Dems. If I was going to vote I think I would vote Conservative because they're the only councillors in Waltham Forest who have a) not caused any scandals and b) worked to promote the needs and interests of the public rather than their own agenda - unlike the Labour party who are a load of self publicising hypocrites who are only hanging about in our borough because they're dying to get into Westminster where they'll soon be sucking up to the Tories anyway. And let's not forget that Labour are the ones who sent our boys into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight Bush's Zionist war for him and his financial backers. And far from being the aspiring social climbers they are Labour are now starting to look more like wallflowers since this Grell business - I haven't heard a dickey bird out of them by way of apology and I think we all deserve one actually. Isn't it odd how Labour go all quiet and maiden aunt--ish when the crap hits the fan. As for the Manchester bloke who says Tories ripped up a photo of their candidate well I am not surprised - he was probably an ugly bruiser with a barrel chest. Cheers, Pete
Posted by: Winnie, Chingford on 6:23pm Sun 23 Sep 07
Dear Clyde Loakes. What I want to know is this - why did I bother voting for the Labour Party when you had councillors in your midst who were capable of making such filthy minded and nasty and Nazi like comments about gay men? I shall be writing to the Prime Minister about this. Grell's name is still on the council website as a councillor. I am absolutely disgusted and totally appalled. I wish Barry Smith and his long term partner all the best for the future but I am sorry they were hounded out of this borough by Grell - the fault lies with the Labour Party for not knowing what she was like in the first place. Imagine, putting someone with vile views like that in such a position of responsibility ! Well, now she has been found guilty and banned from office for three years. I do hope she doesn't go whining to the Standards Board about the judge having a chip on his shoulder -Grell reminds me of Ali G "It is cos I is black innit". Winnie.
Dear Clyde Loakes. What I want to know is this - why did I bother voting for the Labour Party when you had councillors in your midst who were capable of making such filthy minded and nasty and Nazi like comments about gay men? I shall be writing to the Prime Minister about this. Grell's name is still on the council website as a councillor. I am absolutely disgusted and totally appalled. I wish Barry Smith and his long term partner all the best for the future but I am sorry they were hounded out of this borough by Grell - the fault lies with the Labour Party for not knowing what she was like in the first place. Imagine, putting someone with vile views like that in such a position of responsibility ! Well, now she has been found guilty and banned from office for three years. I do hope she doesn't go whining to the Standards Board about the judge having a chip on his shoulder -Grell reminds me of Ali G "It is cos I is black innit". Winnie.
Posted by: Mo, Leyton on 6:45pm Sun 23 Sep 07
Dear Ex-Councillor Grell.
Can I say I am glad you are now history. Your career is over because you abused your position in the community and because you were found guilty of two counts of callously slandering someone else's good name in a feeble and poorly educated attempt to win votes. Shame on you for your backward comments. Is there something wrong with being gay in your mind ? Or Black? Or Disabled? How dare you exhibit the very discrimination that your ancestors fought so hard to end. Once there was slavery, now there is gay bashing -and it's people like you doing it. How the pecking order has changed! I hope now you don't turn up in some other borough trying it on there in your quest for power. We don't want you round here either way. Nor any others like you - so take heed Clyde. Sadly you also tried to damage the years of good work done by Cllr Barry Smith. He was a dedicated man, and he was a decent and kind gentleman, he was supportive of me and my family when we suffered bullying in the borough, and he was more of a politician than you will ever be. Like one of the other readers said, if you weren't in this borough trying to get your leg up the ladder then you'd be in some other borough. You have no affection for the people here, you just want to get into politics but you're not capable of playing with the big boys because you haven't even got the manners of a gnat so I'd get back to the drawing board if I were you missus and start praying that in time everyone forget's your sad miserable name and the misery you caused an innocent man - Barry Smith. And in case anyone wants to know I am not gay but I did vote Labour and now I wish I hadn't. Cllr Loakes owes us all an apology for this poor excuse of a councillor.
Dear Ex-Councillor Grell.
Can I say I am glad you are now history. Your career is over because you abused your position in the community and because you were found guilty of two counts of callously slandering someone else's good name in a feeble and poorly educated attempt to win votes. Shame on you for your backward comments. Is there something wrong with being gay in your mind ? Or Black? Or Disabled? How dare you exhibit the very discrimination that your ancestors fought so hard to end. Once there was slavery, now there is gay bashing -and it's people like you doing it. How the pecking order has changed! I hope now you don't turn up in some other borough trying it on there in your quest for power. We don't want you round here either way. Nor any others like you - so take heed Clyde. Sadly you also tried to damage the years of good work done by Cllr Barry Smith. He was a dedicated man, and he was a decent and kind gentleman, he was supportive of me and my family when we suffered bullying in the borough, and he was more of a politician than you will ever be. Like one of the other readers said, if you weren't in this borough trying to get your leg up the ladder then you'd be in some other borough. You have no affection for the people here, you just want to get into politics but you're not capable of playing with the big boys because you haven't even got the manners of a gnat so I'd get back to the drawing board if I were you missus and start praying that in time everyone forget's your sad miserable name and the misery you caused an innocent man - Barry Smith. And in case anyone wants to know I am not gay but I did vote Labour and now I wish I hadn't. Cllr Loakes owes us all an apology for this poor excuse of a councillor.
Posted by: Chris, Essex on 9:29pm Sun 23 Sep 07
"In Britain of the 1950s 'bright as a button' was a euphemism used to describe black children who were cute" - Theo Biron
Well Theo I can remember Waltham Forest and the 1950s very well and that expression was used to describe ANYONE who was naturally clever and quick on the uptake.
As far as I am concerned the only racism in that expression exists only in the minds of those who want to create it.
"In Britain of the 1950s 'bright as a button' was a euphemism used to describe black children who were cute" - Theo Biron
Well Theo I can remember Waltham Forest and the 1950s very well and that expression was used to describe ANYONE who was naturally clever and quick on the uptake.
As far as I am concerned the only racism in that expression exists only in the minds of those who want to create it.
Posted by: Theo, London on 9:47pm Sun 23 Sep 07
So Chris, what are you really saying here - that you support ex-councillor Grell and her nasty homophobia? That you remember Walthamstow in the 1950's?. Or are you trying to say you agree with the writer whose friend described Grell as being 'Bright as a button'? You're certainly not saying you find her comments homophobic or distasteful are you? Very telling indeed! There is a slightly larger issue going on here than your memories of the 50's as I am sure you well understand. And clearly Grell couldn't have been all that clever or she wouldn't have made the depraved and sickening comment that got her banned from politics in the first place. Let's just see if she's still as 'bright as a button' three years from now when her ban is up, and let's see if anyone apart from you remembers her because as far as I am concerned she's like yesterday's fish and chip paper - stinking and rank!
So Chris, what are you really saying here - that you support ex-councillor Grell and her nasty homophobia? That you remember Walthamstow in the 1950's?. Or are you trying to say you agree with the writer whose friend described Grell as being 'Bright as a button'? You're certainly not saying you find her comments homophobic or distasteful are you? Very telling indeed! There is a slightly larger issue going on here than your memories of the 50's as I am sure you well understand. And clearly Grell couldn't have been all that clever or she wouldn't have made the depraved and sickening comment that got her banned from politics in the first place. Let's just see if she's still as 'bright as a button' three years from now when her ban is up, and let's see if anyone apart from you remembers her because as far as I am concerned she's like yesterday's fish and chip paper - stinking and rank!
Posted by: E10 residant, leyton on 9:28pm Mon 24 Sep 07
I am not at all shocked that this woman has been found quilty, the only time l was unlucky enough to meet her was in may of this year in a local park , the t.v cameras was there doing a program on anti-sociel behaviour, the way she was shouting and the things she was saying to a member of the publc in front of children, parents and ironicly the tv crew was disturbing. The way she behaved was a prime example of anti-social behaviour. I often wonder if the camera crew filmed her that day.
I am not at all shocked that this woman has been found quilty, the only time l was unlucky enough to meet her was in may of this year in a local park , the t.v cameras was there doing a program on anti-sociel behaviour, the way she was shouting and the things she was saying to a member of the publc in front of children, parents and ironicly the tv crew was disturbing. The way she behaved was a prime example of anti-social behaviour. I often wonder if the camera crew filmed her that day.
Posted by: Rosie, Walthamstow on 11:53pm Mon 24 Sep 07
Calling people "racist" for no reason is pointless. Let's get back to what this is really about: the disgraceful behaviour of so-called Labour politicians in Waltham Forest.
I'd like to hear Clyde Loakes' explanation or apology -- though if he started apologising for all the harm this council has done, he'd never be able to stop.
Calling people "racist" for no reason is pointless. Let's get back to what this is really about: the disgraceful behaviour of so-called Labour politicians in Waltham Forest.
I'd like to hear Clyde Loakes' explanation or apology -- though if he started apologising for all the harm this council has done, he'd never be able to stop.
Posted by: john oliver close, leyton on 8:02am Tue 25 Sep 07
If miss Grell appeals someone should visit walnut rd and find out what other tactics she used to get votes. I heard about the park incident.I also heard that the woman she affended stopped MIRANDA experiancing anti-social behaviour
If miss Grell appeals someone should visit walnut rd and find out what other tactics she used to get votes. I heard about the park incident.I also heard that the woman she affended stopped MIRANDA experiancing anti-social behaviour
Posted by: Chris, Essex on 9:57am Tue 25 Sep 07
No Theo I have no time for people like Grell.
I just took a little time to correct what I saw as a misuse of language, that's all
No Theo I have no time for people like Grell.
I just took a little time to correct what I saw as a misuse of language, that's all
Posted by: Amanda, Leyton on 12:48pm Tue 25 Sep 07
I am a Local Labour Supporter and must remind readers that the ‘Council’ is currently a hung Council (Liberal Democrat & Labour) and therefore not purely run by Cllr Loakes. I am not entirely sure why he is coming in for all the criticism. Surely individuals should be held responsible for their OWN behaviour he cannot be held responsible for Ms Grells appalling behaviour. What was he supposed to do accompany every candidate to every doorstep – give me a break and commentators please get real! I think Cllr Loakes is doing a great job for Waltham Forest. And those who feel the need to continue supporting Ms Grell – SHAME ON YOU!
I am a Local Labour Supporter and must remind readers that the ‘Council’ is currently a hung Council (Liberal Democrat & Labour) and therefore not purely run by Cllr Loakes. I am not entirely sure why he is coming in for all the criticism. Surely individuals should be held responsible for their OWN behaviour he cannot be held responsible for Ms Grells appalling behaviour. What was he supposed to do accompany every candidate to every doorstep – give me a break and commentators please get real! I think Cllr Loakes is doing a great job for Waltham Forest. And those who feel the need to continue supporting Ms Grell – SHAME ON YOU!
Posted by: sue on 2:56pm Tue 25 Sep 07
I wonder who else this woman has affended with her big mouth and dirty tactics....
I wonder who else this woman has affended with her big mouth and dirty tactics....
Posted by: Robin, Leyton on 3:43pm Tue 25 Sep 07
I am in total agreement with Amanda from Leyton. What on earth has Cllr Clyde Loakes got to apologise for? Miranda Grell should be held totally responsible for her own actions and those who have supported her should be equally as ashamed. Her supporters do not reflect the generic view of Labour membership and I hope that it is her supporters who apologise – you know who you are and so do we! Remember you will be seeking our votes before too long and the electorate will not forget your stance on this issue. From my understanding of the matter Clyde Loakes has been totally impartial and acted entirely professional and this must have been very difficult for him. He worked extensively with Mr Barry Smith as a Cabinet member and I am sure he feels very saddened that this has happened. Readers should remember this is about the dreadful behaviour of Miranda Grell towards Mr Smith not apportioning blame to those who have nothing to do with it.
I am in total agreement with Amanda from Leyton. What on earth has Cllr Clyde Loakes got to apologise for? Miranda Grell should be held totally responsible for her own actions and those who have supported her should be equally as ashamed. Her supporters do not reflect the generic view of Labour membership and I hope that it is her supporters who apologise – you know who you are and so do we! Remember you will be seeking our votes before too long and the electorate will not forget your stance on this issue. From my understanding of the matter Clyde Loakes has been totally impartial and acted entirely professional and this must have been very difficult for him. He worked extensively with Mr Barry Smith as a Cabinet member and I am sure he feels very saddened that this has happened. Readers should remember this is about the dreadful behaviour of Miranda Grell towards Mr Smith not apportioning blame to those who have nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Simon, Chingford on 5:32pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Isn't this a bit harsh ? Clyde Loakes is not guilty, so why would other Labour people that supported Cllr. Grell. If she is guilty (and it looks like there is going to be an appeal) hasn't she just let down her Labour mates the same as others. As a Labour supporter, I think Robin is wrong to have a go at other Labour people. When there is a crisis it is just the time to stick together.
Isn't this a bit harsh ? Clyde Loakes is not guilty, so why would other Labour people that supported Cllr. Grell. If she is guilty (and it looks like there is going to be an appeal) hasn't she just let down her Labour mates the same as others. As a Labour supporter, I think Robin is wrong to have a go at other Labour people. When there is a crisis it is just the time to stick together.
Posted by: Observer on 9:23pm Tue 25 Sep 07
[quote]When there is a crisis it is just the time to stick together.[/quote]
Yes - like muck to a blanket!
When there is a crisis it is just the time to stick together.
Yes - like muck to a blanket!
Posted by: Gary, E17 on 10:06am Wed 26 Sep 07
All political parties take a risk when selecting prospective candidates. Tell me any party that hasn't had a problem!!!!
Please think carefully before responding to this.
All political parties take a risk when selecting prospective candidates. Tell me any party that hasn't had a problem!!!!
Please think carefully before responding to this.
Posted by: akram, London on 11:32am Wed 26 Sep 07
The Labour party are a nasty people i dont like like them they lie all the time
The Labour party are a nasty people i dont like like them they lie all the time
Posted by: Leyton Resident, Leyton on 5:20pm Wed 26 Sep 07
I think that Ms Grell has quite rightly paid the price for her despicable behaviour. However it should be noted that a certain cabinet member for Community Safety has been opening supporting Ms Grell and accompanying her in and out of court. I think you will all see the irony.
I think that Ms Grell has quite rightly paid the price for her despicable behaviour. However it should be noted that a certain cabinet member for Community Safety has been opening supporting Ms Grell and accompanying her in and out of court. I think you will all see the irony.
Posted by: mark, walthamstow on 6:05pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Can someone tell me what happened in the park, involving Ms.Grell.
Can someone tell me what happened in the park, involving Ms.Grell.
Posted by: resident, walnut road on 7:40pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda was canvassing on my road the evening of the voting;she approached a large group of youths and asked them to please go and vote for her and that if they needed a lift ,she would provide it....She then went on to say that if she gets her seat ,she has 200 grand to spend and she will invest some on walnut road/oliver close estate...The boys seemed quite impressed with this and a couple asked for a 50 quid advance...anyway,my point to this story,Miranda got her seat and we never saw her again..surprize!!! SO her lies have finally caught up with her... and i would like to know what happened in the park with the camera crew!! PRAY TELL...
Miranda was canvassing on my road the evening of the voting;she approached a large group of youths and asked them to please go and vote for her and that if they needed a lift ,she would provide it....She then went on to say that if she gets her seat ,she has 200 grand to spend and she will invest some on walnut road/oliver close estate...The boys seemed quite impressed with this and a couple asked for a 50 quid advance...anyway,my point to this story,Miranda got her seat and we never saw her again..surprize!!! SO her lies have finally caught up with her... and i would like to know what happened in the park with the camera crew!! PRAY TELL...
Posted by: rav, church rd on 8:57pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Ms Grell, there seems to be a few comments that need answers. I sure you or one of you supporters are reading peoples views with interest, would you like to say what happened in the park .
Ms Grell, there seems to be a few comments that need answers. I sure you or one of you supporters are reading peoples views with interest, would you like to say what happened in the park .
Posted by: Rob, Leyton on 9:04pm Wed 26 Sep 07
I too have heard of this womens deplorable behaviour during the incident in the park on Walnut Road. My child informed me "that woman just said "she dont care about us". Strange for a councillor who is supposed to represent all their constituency, regardless of age, race, religion sexual orientation etc!!!!
I too have heard of this womens deplorable behaviour during the incident in the park on Walnut Road. My child informed me "that woman just said "she dont care about us". Strange for a councillor who is supposed to represent all their constituency, regardless of age, race, religion sexual orientation etc!!!!
Posted by: wally, leyton on 9:25pm Wed 26 Sep 07
ms grell.......when the **** hits the fan..comes to mind...
ms grell.......when the **** hits the fan..comes to mind...
Posted by: lesley, walthamstow on 9:26pm Wed 26 Sep 07
I have known Barry Smith since he was elected to Waltham Forest council. I have the greatest respect for him. He has always put the community first and always acted in a professional manner. I wonder if he is still wearing his famous black suit and white collar. I wish him well in his new life. The people of Leyton and Waltham Forest are the poorer for his going. I understand Harry Cohen MP for Leyton has supported this aweful woman and still continues to do so. May I remind the voters of Leyton a general election is looming. Do you want to vote for a man who shares the same values as Cllr. Mirander Grell?
I have known Barry Smith since he was elected to Waltham Forest council. I have the greatest respect for him. He has always put the community first and always acted in a professional manner. I wonder if he is still wearing his famous black suit and white collar. I wish him well in his new life. The people of Leyton and Waltham Forest are the poorer for his going. I understand Harry Cohen MP for Leyton has supported this aweful woman and still continues to do so. May I remind the voters of Leyton a general election is looming. Do you want to vote for a man who shares the same values as Cllr. Mirander Grell?
Posted by: Leyton bloke, Leyton on 11:09pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.
Posted by: resident on 11:10pm Wed 26 Sep 07
The truth will soon be out about Ms.Grell,s behaviour in the park , just waiting for the right time.......People like her can not shut people like me up reguardless of who she may know.s......
The truth will soon be out about Ms.Grell,s behaviour in the park , just waiting for the right time.......People like her can not shut people like me up reguardless of who she may know.s......
Posted by: j.j on 11:18pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .
Posted by: Observer on 12:09am Thu 27 Sep 07
[quote]Posted by: Leyton bloke, Leyton on 11:09pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.[/quote] [quote]Posted by: j.j on 11:18pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .[/quote]
[bold]Would somebody who knows please clarify?[/bold]
Posted by: Leyton bloke, Leyton on 11:09pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.
Miranda Grell is a brilliant councillor and she will ne vindicated at her appeal. Keep fighting Miranda. Leyton needs you.
Posted by: j.j on 11:18pm Wed 26 Sep 07
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .
Miranda, why are you using your Tag-name when you discribe yourself as brilliant.DON.T kid yourself LEYTON DOES NOT NEED YOU .
Would somebody who knows please clarify? Posted by: bella, o.c on 7:39am Thu 27 Sep 07
hello observer, i can clarify that leyton does not need Miranda ..... I can also confirm that she does look like a bloke....Hope l have been of some help.
hello observer, i can clarify that leyton does not need Miranda ..... I can also confirm that she does look like a bloke....Hope l have been of some help.
Posted by: Rob, Leyton on 9:41am Thu 27 Sep 07
Know that Ms Grell has been found guilty, can a case for slander and/or deformation character not be brought? After all Barry Smith has had his life not just his career destroyed by the actions of this woman.
Know that Ms Grell has been found guilty, can a case for slander and/or deformation character not be brought? After all Barry Smith has had his life not just his career destroyed by the actions of this woman.
Posted by: Rav-eta, leyton on 10:07am Thu 27 Sep 07
I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH rob. When will people start standing up to people like her. What we need is a big investigation in to what certain other so-called Cllr,s and proffesionals are really doing behind closed doors...p.s Does anybody know who P.A.V are...Another group MsGrell supported
I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH rob. When will people start standing up to people like her. What we need is a big investigation in to what certain other so-called Cllr,s and proffesionals are really doing behind closed doors...p.s Does anybody know who P.A.V are...Another group MsGrell supported
Posted by: efua scotland, london on 3:49pm Thu 27 Sep 07
I knew miranda from university days. this isn't about race or homophobia, but about a person who happens to be black who abused a man to get what she wanted. In my view the chickens just came home to roost, and deep down she knows it and she may spend the rest of her life paying for it. It is a shame because she had the potential to go far politically. But she lost everything she had been working years for.
I knew miranda from university days. this isn't about race or homophobia, but about a person who happens to be black who abused a man to get what she wanted. In my view the chickens just came home to roost, and deep down she knows it and she may spend the rest of her life paying for it. It is a shame because she had the potential to go far politically. But she lost everything she had been working years for.
Posted by: Rob, Leyton on 5:43pm Thu 27 Sep 07
I agree with Eufa that this isnt about race, Miranda's ethnicity is irrelevant. However I feel that abusing someone because of thier sexuality, for whatever reason IS homophobic. That she did so to further her own ends is even more appalling. And if she has lost everything she has worked for then what a fitting price to pay. Barry Smith is in the same position but not through his own doing!!!!!
I agree with Eufa that this isnt about race, Miranda's ethnicity is irrelevant. However I feel that abusing someone because of thier sexuality, for whatever reason IS homophobic. That she did so to further her own ends is even more appalling. And if she has lost everything she has worked for then what a fitting price to pay. Barry Smith is in the same position but not through his own doing!!!!!
Posted by: mary, walnut rd on 5:58pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Surely one of Miranda,s supporters can make at least one positive comment or even Ms. Grell herself, as l know that they are reading these comments...... Who knows may be she is running out of friends to speak up for her....She could always consider hanging out on Walnut Rd , she has been found guilty so all she needs now is a hooded jumper...
Surely one of Miranda,s supporters can make at least one positive comment or even Ms. Grell herself, as l know that they are reading these comments...... Who knows may be she is running out of friends to speak up for her....She could always consider hanging out on Walnut Rd , she has been found guilty so all she needs now is a hooded jumper...
Posted by: A Concerned Leyton Resident, Leyton on 12:13am Fri 28 Sep 07
I agree with Simon from Chingford. You can't blame Miranda's fellow Councillor's for supporting her. What she has been found out saying is not acceptable to anyone and is completely wrong. However those Councillor's that did support her, I assume, were doing so out of concern for a friend and fellow Colleague as I believe in this wonderful country of ours one is innocent until proven guilty. [bold]They should not be criticised for that[/bold] .
Now that she has been found guilty I would expect they will also move away from supporting her
I agree with Simon from Chingford. You can't blame Miranda's fellow Councillor's for supporting her. What she has been found out saying is not acceptable to anyone and is completely wrong. However those Councillor's that did support her, I assume, were doing so out of concern for a friend and fellow Colleague as I believe in this wonderful country of ours one is innocent until proven guilty.
They should not be criticised for that .
Now that she has been found guilty I would expect they will also move away from supporting her
Posted by: Bev, Leytonstone on 2:00pm Fri 28 Sep 07
It is very sad that this is a political football. There is too much talk of supporting Cllr Grell or not. Simon, are you saying Labour is right to support becuase of an appeal? But she [bold]admitted using Mr. Smith's sexuality on the doorstep.[/bold] [bold]Even if she is not guilty after appealing, how can she change that?[/bold] I like Mr. Loakes, but how can he have a Labour councillor who uses these tactics? And Harry Cohen. He supported her. But he should condemn her for speaking in this way. I thought the days were gone when this sort of thing was accepted. Labour needs to show that it agrees and not hide behind the appeal.
It is very sad that this is a political football. There is too much talk of supporting Cllr Grell or not. Simon, are you saying Labour is right to support becuase of an appeal? But she
admitted using Mr. Smith's sexuality on the doorstep. Even if she is not guilty after appealing, how can she change that? I like Mr. Loakes, but how can he have a Labour councillor who uses these tactics? And Harry Cohen. He supported her. But he should condemn her for speaking in this way. I thought the days were gone when this sort of thing was accepted. Labour needs to show that it agrees and not hide behind the appeal.
Posted by: Alan Griffiths, Pictured next to her entering car! on 2:27pm Sat 29 Sep 07
Miranda Grell has submitted an Appeal. You'll hear more from her in a few days.
Miranda Grell has submitted an Appeal. You'll hear more from her in a few days.
Posted by: Rob, Leyton on 4:01pm Sat 29 Sep 07
Will that be more homophobic abuse we'll be hearing soon? Or is that reserved for when canvassing for votes?? And 'Alan pictured next to her entering the car' if her appeal is dismissed will you still be a staunch supporter??
Will that be more homophobic abuse we'll be hearing soon? Or is that reserved for when canvassing for votes?? And 'Alan pictured next to her entering the car' if her appeal is dismissed will you still be a staunch supporter??
Posted by: Rob, Leyton on 4:20pm Sat 29 Sep 07
Bev in Leytonstone you are completely right. Regardless of the outcome of any appeal Ms Grell admitted to using Mr Smiths' sexuality to further her own ends. If her appeal is successful wil the Labour party be welcoming her back?? Is she representative of the Labour and what they stand for? Could she be Gordon Brown achilles heel??
Bev in Leytonstone you are completely right. Regardless of the outcome of any appeal Ms Grell admitted to using Mr Smiths' sexuality to further her own ends. If her appeal is successful wil the Labour party be welcoming her back?? Is she representative of the Labour and what they stand for? Could she be Gordon Brown achilles heel??
Posted by: maxine, leyton on 12:25pm Tue 2 Oct 07
why is she appealling and who,s money is paying for all this?...Alan you seem really proud that you was getting in to a car with her.....I was standing in a park with her and l really did not get the need to want to tell people.......Oh well , lets wait and hear what Ms.Grell has to say.
why is she appealling and who,s money is paying for all this?...Alan you seem really proud that you was getting in to a car with her.....I was standing in a park with her and l really did not get the need to want to tell people.......Oh well , lets wait and hear what Ms.Grell has to say.
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