New Highams Park Tesco 'making independent traders lose out'

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: The new Tesco store in Highams Park The new Tesco store in Highams Park

STRUGGLING traders claim they are losing hundreds of pounds a week since Tesco opened its doors last month.

The megastore off Larkshall Road in Highams Park has been open since October 5, and independent businesses claim they are "wasting away" as their customers prefer to do their shopping at the supermarket down the road.

Businesses say they need shoppers to return to the retail outlets in The Avenue and Hale End Road, or people may lose their local high street for good.

Marilyn Loe, assistant manager at Poppies bakery in Hale End Road, said bread sales have dropped and their regular trade from scholchildren who come by for a lunchtime snack has all but disappeared.

The 28-year-old added: "Tesco's has had a huge impact. Everyone's moving to Tesco and we're suffering because of it. They have free parking and everything under one roof, so we just can't compete.

"We're losing hundreds a week but we have to hope it picks up or we will be reduced to nothing. Everyone is having the same problem, pretty much.

"We've been here for 10 years. It might not be much longer."

Tesco claimed its free car parking would enable customers to travel to nearby shops like those in The Avenue and Hale End Road, but Poppies neighbour and owner of Megs Newsagent, Pravin Patel, 57, said those who stock the same goods as Tesco are losing out.

"They sell similar items to us and so our trade is dropping," he said. "It's stealing our trade and there's little that we can do about it."

Another problem is the proposed controlled parking zone planned for Highams Park, which would mean businesses and homeowners would have to fork out for parking if passed by Waltham Forest Council, and which shops fear would reduce their clientele to people living within walking distance.

However, Ann Tran, 28, owner of American Nails in Hale End Road, said the supermarket has attracted new customers to her store.

"If anything we've gained more customers so it's a very good thing for us," she said. "The free parking gives them the time to get their nails done." Tesco has been approached for comment.

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9:19am Fri 2 Nov 12

Kestral1410 says...

Its like most new shopping experiences, the novelty will wear off. However I don't hold out much hope for Budgen's unless they lower their prices considerably and maybe become a post office plus police station maybe!
Its like most new shopping experiences, the novelty will wear off. However I don't hold out much hope for Budgen's unless they lower their prices considerably and maybe become a post office plus police station maybe! Kestral1410
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9:32am Fri 2 Nov 12

Wizza_b says...

This is very sad, not being a fan of Tesco`s as a company full stop. We obviously cannot do all of our shopping at "one-offs" so this is inevitable, and is country wide and has been for years.
I am a great believer of local high streets, but I have to say, many of these local shops look so dated, I know this may sound like a terrible thing to say, but it is true, they often sell items that look like they have been stuck on the shelves for years. I know this is not the case for all local shops but I do think that people will undersatnd what I mean. The idea of a lovely high street is a wonderful thing but in most areas, just won`t work. Especally with local councils making it difficult for shopkeepers and customers alike. It seems to me that only High Streets that attract tourism or a very high wealth area will thrive.
This is very sad, not being a fan of Tesco`s as a company full stop. We obviously cannot do all of our shopping at "one-offs" so this is inevitable, and is country wide and has been for years. I am a great believer of local high streets, but I have to say, many of these local shops look so dated, I know this may sound like a terrible thing to say, but it is true, they often sell items that look like they have been stuck on the shelves for years. I know this is not the case for all local shops but I do think that people will undersatnd what I mean. The idea of a lovely high street is a wonderful thing but in most areas, just won`t work. Especally with local councils making it difficult for shopkeepers and customers alike. It seems to me that only High Streets that attract tourism or a very high wealth area will thrive. Wizza_b
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9:32am Fri 2 Nov 12

HottRedMan says...

Not suprised many of the traders would loose out. After all, people cannot park on those roads and I personally would not risk it. Parking fines are expensive, they use street crime CCTV mounted from lamp posts. It is just not worth it anymore. I would not even pop in the shop to buy a paper or a drink. These council traffic wardens are literally like vultures, whether it be mobile walking one, the one in the car, or moped or cctv from an office.

I would rather go Tesco or another big retail outlet, at least I know my car is safe and the cctv would not be used to give me a fine if I stop for 5 mins.

The nail shop would be one of a few businesses that would gain from a Tesco car park, but if Tesco did nails or hairdressers; then they would loose trade faster than they know, Only speciality businesses that do not sell the stuff Tesco sells would gain any customers.
Not suprised many of the traders would loose out. After all, people cannot park on those roads and I personally would not risk it. Parking fines are expensive, they use street crime CCTV mounted from lamp posts. It is just not worth it anymore. I would not even pop in the shop to buy a paper or a drink. These council traffic wardens are literally like vultures, whether it be mobile walking one, the one in the car, or moped or cctv from an office. I would rather go Tesco or another big retail outlet, at least I know my car is safe and the cctv would not be used to give me a fine if I stop for 5 mins. The nail shop would be one of a few businesses that would gain from a Tesco car park, but if Tesco did nails or hairdressers; then they would loose trade faster than they know, Only speciality businesses that do not sell the stuff Tesco sells would gain any customers. HottRedMan
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9:33am Fri 2 Nov 12

LynGol says...

Good value for money, easy access, stress free shopping.
Every thing that Highams park was missing.Soungs good to me.
Good value for money, easy access, stress free shopping. Every thing that Highams park was missing.Soungs good to me. LynGol
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9:50am Fri 2 Nov 12

Wizza_b says...

The "Tesco Haricut" made me giggle.
Do you think they would do the blue stripe value cuts too?
God I hope Tesco`s don`t act on this lol
The "Tesco Haricut" made me giggle. Do you think they would do the blue stripe value cuts too? God I hope Tesco`s don`t act on this lol Wizza_b
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10:25am Fri 2 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Small shops affected by the arrival need to take a long hard look at themselves to work out how they can improve their service to their long suffering customers. Sadly, some will blame Tesco's without seeing that their own neglect to date is the real cause of a drop in sales.

The Good Will that often was the back-bone of a Business years ago in traditional shops seems to have almost disappeared. The 'could not care less attitude' and 'take it or leave it' mentality is one reason why Tesco's and other Big Sores have succeeded as they have filled the space abandoned by Independents.

Dirty shop windows and awnings, scruffy staff, smoking outside their shops (especially with food premises) is the type of examples that are off putting, this together with the could not care a carrot attitudes draw people in droves to a more professional set up like Tesco. Easy parking is also a major factor these days. Post sales Service is usually good, you can shop in a warm, safe environment. You can get a nice cup of tea and a bun after your shop at a fraction of the costs of the local greasy spoon.

Hopefully those shopkeepers who had their eye of the ball will pull their socks up.

Alas, for some, it will be too late.
Small shops affected by the arrival need to take a long hard look at themselves to work out how they can improve their service to their long suffering customers. Sadly, some will blame Tesco's without seeing that their own neglect to date is the real cause of a drop in sales. The Good Will that often was the back-bone of a Business years ago in traditional shops seems to have almost disappeared. The 'could not care less attitude' and 'take it or leave it' mentality is one reason why Tesco's and other Big Sores have succeeded as they have filled the space abandoned by Independents. Dirty shop windows and awnings, scruffy staff, smoking outside their shops (especially with food premises) is the type of examples that are off putting, this together with the could not care a carrot attitudes draw people in droves to a more professional set up like Tesco. Easy parking is also a major factor these days. Post sales Service is usually good, you can shop in a warm, safe environment. You can get a nice cup of tea and a bun after your shop at a fraction of the costs of the local greasy spoon. Hopefully those shopkeepers who had their eye of the ball will pull their socks up. Alas, for some, it will be too late. Cornbeefur
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11:05am Fri 2 Nov 12

mdj says...

'Marilyn Loe, assistant manager at Poppies bakery .. said .. their regular trade from scholchildren who come by for a lunchtime snack has all but disappeared.'

I'm baffled: didn't Mr Loakes have a high-profile campaign against new fast-food outlets opening near schools? Doesn't this apply to Tesco?
'Marilyn Loe, assistant manager at Poppies bakery .. said .. their regular trade from scholchildren who come by for a lunchtime snack has all but disappeared.' I'm baffled: didn't Mr Loakes have a high-profile campaign against new fast-food outlets opening near schools? Doesn't this apply to Tesco? mdj
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11:06am Fri 2 Nov 12

catnip10 says...

I grew up in Highams Park during the 1960's and at that time there was quite a variety of grocery shops in the area until Budgens appeared. I'm just surprised they last so long with the prices they charge. It's true what they say "what goes around comes around". I personally think the new Tesco has made a vast improvement to the area as it had been dying on its legs for years. Believe it or not, not everyone has a car and may not be able to get buses to the nearest supermarkets so its perfectly situated for the older people in the area.
I grew up in Highams Park during the 1960's and at that time there was quite a variety of grocery shops in the area until Budgens appeared. I'm just surprised they last so long with the prices they charge. It's true what they say "what goes around comes around". I personally think the new Tesco has made a vast improvement to the area as it had been dying on its legs for years. Believe it or not, not everyone has a car and may not be able to get buses to the nearest supermarkets so its perfectly situated for the older people in the area. catnip10
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11:10am Fri 2 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

mdj wrote:
'Marilyn Loe, assistant manager at Poppies bakery .. said .. their regular trade from scholchildren who come by for a lunchtime snack has all but disappeared.'

I'm baffled: didn't Mr Loakes have a high-profile campaign against new fast-food outlets opening near schools? Doesn't this apply to Tesco?
I think Mr Loake's was aiming at the Chicken (40 pieces in a bucket with 8 bags of chips for a pound ) and Pizzas (12 inches and lashings of chips and gravys for 50p) shops rather than the healthy options offered at Tesco and Morrisons.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Marilyn Loe, assistant manager at Poppies bakery .. said .. their regular trade from scholchildren who come by for a lunchtime snack has all but disappeared.' I'm baffled: didn't Mr Loakes have a high-profile campaign against new fast-food outlets opening near schools? Doesn't this apply to Tesco?[/p][/quote]I think Mr Loake's was aiming at the Chicken (40 pieces in a bucket with 8 bags of chips for a pound ) and Pizzas (12 inches and lashings of chips and gravys for 50p) shops rather than the healthy options offered at Tesco and Morrisons. Cornbeefur
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3:49pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Redbridge person says...

While not a fan of large supermarkets, there wasn't anywhere in this area to do a large food shop. I did visit a large corner shop at the junction of Handsworth Ave once....and the prices...astronomica
l...most items were double compared to other shops, I put my items back as I was not prepared to pay these rip off prices! There is no justification for such a rip off so I hope they close down and learn!
While not a fan of large supermarkets, there wasn't anywhere in this area to do a large food shop. I did visit a large corner shop at the junction of Handsworth Ave once....and the prices...astronomica l...most items were double compared to other shops, I put my items back as I was not prepared to pay these rip off prices! There is no justification for such a rip off so I hope they close down and learn! Redbridge person
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7:21pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Ian RS2000 says...

Im all for the new Tesco easy parking and every thing under one roof
Im all for the new Tesco easy parking and every thing under one roof Ian RS2000
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10:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Chingfordturk says...

High street shops have to evolve , no question. If it takes Tesco to do it, so be it. But those who do make an effort need to have some help from the council. Sensible parking and realistic business rates to at least give small business a fighting chance. And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park
High street shops have to evolve , no question. If it takes Tesco to do it, so be it. But those who do make an effort need to have some help from the council. Sensible parking and realistic business rates to at least give small business a fighting chance. And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park Chingfordturk
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12:29am Sat 3 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Chingfordturk wrote:
High street shops have to evolve , no question. If it takes Tesco to do it, so be it. But those who do make an effort need to have some help from the council. Sensible parking and realistic business rates to at least give small business a fighting chance. And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park
Apart from me, you have made one of the most sensible comments for weeks. Have a round of applause Sir!
[quote][p][bold]Chingfordturk[/bold] wrote: High street shops have to evolve , no question. If it takes Tesco to do it, so be it. But those who do make an effort need to have some help from the council. Sensible parking and realistic business rates to at least give small business a fighting chance. And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park[/p][/quote]Apart from me, you have made one of the most sensible comments for weeks. Have a round of applause Sir! Cornbeefur
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9:28am Sat 3 Nov 12

myopinioncounts says...

Chingfordturk says...
10:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12
. And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park". Get real, Chingfordturk! Highams Park is not a little village anymore, the population must be in the many thousands and well able to support a big store.
Chingfordturk says... 10:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12 . And no, I won't go to Tesco, hate walking round stores the size of aircraft hangers and totally out of place in a small place like Highams Park". Get real, Chingfordturk! Highams Park is not a little village anymore, the population must be in the many thousands and well able to support a big store. myopinioncounts
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1:03pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

I am wondering if Chingfordturk is Cornbeefur... it is his type of comment, worded in a similar way.
I am wondering if Chingfordturk is Cornbeefur... it is his type of comment, worded in a similar way. Isaythat
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2:06pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
I am wondering if Chingfordturk is Cornbeefur... it is his type of comment, worded in a similar way.
Why do you not join the Special Constabulary with such fantastic investigative skills?

You could use one of your Retired Greyhounds as a sniffer dog.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: I am wondering if Chingfordturk is Cornbeefur... it is his type of comment, worded in a similar way.[/p][/quote]Why do you not join the Special Constabulary with such fantastic investigative skills? You could use one of your Retired Greyhounds as a sniffer dog. Cornbeefur
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4:45pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Chingfordturk says...

Now now guys, I can assure you I'm NOT Cornbeefur! As you were...
Now now guys, I can assure you I'm NOT Cornbeefur! As you were... Chingfordturk
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8:43pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Chingfordturk wrote:
Now now guys, I can assure you I'm NOT Cornbeefur! As you were...
I agree with you!

She has had too many whiskey truffles again probably.
[quote][p][bold]Chingfordturk[/bold] wrote: Now now guys, I can assure you I'm NOT Cornbeefur! As you were...[/p][/quote]I agree with you! She has had too many whiskey truffles again probably. Cornbeefur
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10:51pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

or not enough!!!
or not enough!!! Isaythat
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11:48am Sun 4 Nov 12

Alan_1976 says...

I presume if he/she had been the name would be MaryleboneTurk
I presume if he/she had been the name would be MaryleboneTurk Alan_1976
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7:12pm Sun 4 Nov 12

E4nanny says...

The new tesco is far removed from a megastore it is bright and clean and has created jobs for many many people. I find it a real pleasure to shop there the staff are all courteous helpful and friendly I was sick of passing unattractive warehouses I think tesco will make highams park a much nicer place
The new tesco is far removed from a megastore it is bright and clean and has created jobs for many many people. I find it a real pleasure to shop there the staff are all courteous helpful and friendly I was sick of passing unattractive warehouses I think tesco will make highams park a much nicer place E4nanny
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7:37pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

E4nanny wrote:
The new tesco is far removed from a megastore it is bright and clean and has created jobs for many many people. I find it a real pleasure to shop there the staff are all courteous helpful and friendly I was sick of passing unattractive warehouses I think tesco will make highams park a much nicer place
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]E4nanny[/bold] wrote: The new tesco is far removed from a megastore it is bright and clean and has created jobs for many many people. I find it a real pleasure to shop there the staff are all courteous helpful and friendly I was sick of passing unattractive warehouses I think tesco will make highams park a much nicer place[/p][/quote]Spot on! Cornbeefur
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3:56pm Mon 5 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Methinks I smell the great aroma of PR hype here - unless E4nanny is viewing the bright new world of Tesco through those notorious cranberry tinted spectacles so beloved of those who don’t even live anywhere near the borough.

And if you think the presence of a store like Tesco helps high street shops "evolve” Chingfordturk, please provide us all with one concrete example – anywhere in the UK – where that theory can be proven.
Methinks I smell the great aroma of PR hype here - unless E4nanny is viewing the bright new world of Tesco through those notorious cranberry tinted spectacles so beloved of those who don’t even live anywhere near the borough. And if you think the presence of a store like Tesco helps high street shops "evolve” Chingfordturk, please provide us all with one concrete example – anywhere in the UK – where that theory can be proven. KWyatt-Lown
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4:12pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Methinks I smell the great aroma of PR hype here - unless E4nanny is viewing the bright new world of Tesco through those notorious cranberry tinted spectacles so beloved of those who don’t even live anywhere near the borough.

And if you think the presence of a store like Tesco helps high street shops "evolve” Chingfordturk, please provide us all with one concrete example – anywhere in the UK – where that theory can be proven.
They evolve by the rubbish ones folding and the authentic ones, who clean their windows and maintain pride surviving for a start.

It is the likes of Neil Gerrard and his 62% Business Rate Rise in a year (few years ago) that kills business together with the unrelenting Traffic Wardens. Why have the stress of parking when you can drive straight into a Tesco and park free for 2 hours?
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Methinks I smell the great aroma of PR hype here - unless E4nanny is viewing the bright new world of Tesco through those notorious cranberry tinted spectacles so beloved of those who don’t even live anywhere near the borough. And if you think the presence of a store like Tesco helps high street shops "evolve” Chingfordturk, please provide us all with one concrete example – anywhere in the UK – where that theory can be proven.[/p][/quote]They evolve by the rubbish ones folding and the authentic ones, who clean their windows and maintain pride surviving for a start. It is the likes of Neil Gerrard and his 62% Business Rate Rise in a year (few years ago) that kills business together with the unrelenting Traffic Wardens. Why have the stress of parking when you can drive straight into a Tesco and park free for 2 hours? Cornbeefur
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1:29pm Tue 6 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

So there you have it Ms Loe: Mr/Mrs Corbeefur from Marylebone has identified the reason for the loss of trade at Poppies Bakery.

How blessed we must all feel to have the benefit of free advice from the Mary Portas of Marylebone High Street.

It seems the core problem is that you are “rubbish” and are failing because you don’t “clean your windows” and “maintain any pride”. Personally, I would sue the cretin.
So there you have it Ms Loe: Mr/Mrs Corbeefur from Marylebone has identified the reason for the loss of trade at Poppies Bakery. How blessed we must all feel to have the benefit of free advice from the Mary Portas of Marylebone High Street. It seems the core problem is that you are “rubbish” and are failing because you don’t “clean your windows” and “maintain any pride”. Personally, I would sue the cretin. KWyatt-Lown
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2:01pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
So there you have it Ms Loe: Mr/Mrs Corbeefur from Marylebone has identified the reason for the loss of trade at Poppies Bakery.

How blessed we must all feel to have the benefit of free advice from the Mary Portas of Marylebone High Street.

It seems the core problem is that you are “rubbish” and are failing because you don’t “clean your windows” and “maintain any pride”. Personally, I would sue the cretin.
Godliness begins with cleanliness.

If you cannot be bothered to wash your windows and surfaces, one will naturally assume that other issues are neglected.

The bagel shop was closed down by Mr Laokes last week as if was absolutely filthy with dead mice in the rolls and droppings.

As for your name calling again

The exterior of the shop was dreadful.

If you look at any of the Big names like McDonalds, Greggs, Starbucks and Tesco's and so on you will never see them in such a state as they have a cleaning system in place and realise that anyone who is fastidious would care about such regimes.

Anyone who loses Business over Tesco has themselves to blame.

As for your name calling again Mr Kwatt (was you the school bully in Hackney I wonder?) Your name calling is foolish. You should remember that a wise man can learn from a foolish person but a foolish person can never learn from a wise man.

I suspect that you are envious that I have connections up Town when you are stuck in Walthamstow paying a massive mortgage or high rent?

Please do not vent your anger at me.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: So there you have it Ms Loe: Mr/Mrs Corbeefur from Marylebone has identified the reason for the loss of trade at Poppies Bakery. How blessed we must all feel to have the benefit of free advice from the Mary Portas of Marylebone High Street. It seems the core problem is that you are “rubbish” and are failing because you don’t “clean your windows” and “maintain any pride”. Personally, I would sue the cretin.[/p][/quote]Godliness begins with cleanliness. If you cannot be bothered to wash your windows and surfaces, one will naturally assume that other issues are neglected. The bagel shop was closed down by Mr Laokes last week as if was absolutely filthy with dead mice in the rolls and droppings. As for your name calling again The exterior of the shop was dreadful. If you look at any of the Big names like McDonalds, Greggs, Starbucks and Tesco's and so on you will never see them in such a state as they have a cleaning system in place and realise that anyone who is fastidious would care about such regimes. Anyone who loses Business over Tesco has themselves to blame. As for your name calling again Mr Kwatt (was you the school bully in Hackney I wonder?) Your name calling is foolish. You should remember that a wise man can learn from a foolish person but a foolish person can never learn from a wise man. I suspect that you are envious that I have connections up Town when you are stuck in Walthamstow paying a massive mortgage or high rent? Please do not vent your anger at me. Cornbeefur
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8:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

I’m very sorry to have called you a cretin Cornbeefur. There are very clearly, other issues in your make up that I should have recognised and been respectful of.

The paranoia that should cause you to automatically assume I was angry with you – when I was simply attempting a somewhat satirical, if ill-timed, remark, the accusation of bullying: which suggests something in your background that has resulted in you falling victim to this despicable behaviour in your youth, the mis-reading of something as simple as my name, which suggests some form of word blindness, again, a barrier to learning, the persistent motif in your postings which suggests that your own business possibly failed, while using Neil Gerard and his business rates hike as your blame agent, being relocated to another part of the metropolis, to continually rake over your faded memories rather than move on, yet trying to justify this move with some form of superiority in your status over those of us still living within the Borough.

And, underlying all of this, an inability to communicate your messages openly and honestly while you maintain the need to hide behind some pseudonym instead of using your own name in your postings.

As I said, my apologies and, indeed, my sympathies.
I’m very sorry to have called you a cretin Cornbeefur. There are very clearly, other issues in your make up that I should have recognised and been respectful of. The paranoia that should cause you to automatically assume I was angry with you – when I was simply attempting a somewhat satirical, if ill-timed, remark, the accusation of bullying: which suggests something in your background that has resulted in you falling victim to this despicable behaviour in your youth, the mis-reading of something as simple as my name, which suggests some form of word blindness, again, a barrier to learning, the persistent motif in your postings which suggests that your own business possibly failed, while using Neil Gerard and his business rates hike as your blame agent, being relocated to another part of the metropolis, to continually rake over your faded memories rather than move on, yet trying to justify this move with some form of superiority in your status over those of us still living within the Borough. And, underlying all of this, an inability to communicate your messages openly and honestly while you maintain the need to hide behind some pseudonym instead of using your own name in your postings. As I said, my apologies and, indeed, my sympathies. KWyatt-Lown
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10:38pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

I use a user name like you or are you really Mr KWatt-Lown? please tell?

Please do not cast your introspective analysis on others.

I avoid name calling as it says more about the name caller than the subject of it.

Returning to the story, are you saying that you place no value or credibility on a retail outlet or eatery that takes pride in its appearance compared to one that is covered in dust and dirt?
I use a user name like you or are you really Mr KWatt-Lown? please tell? Please do not cast your introspective analysis on others. I avoid name calling as it says more about the name caller than the subject of it. Returning to the story, are you saying that you place no value or credibility on a retail outlet or eatery that takes pride in its appearance compared to one that is covered in dust and dirt? Cornbeefur
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12:47pm Wed 7 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

No, I'm not KWatt-Lown (that's the second time you have misread it) It is actually KWyatt-Lown (as per my postings).

No, I don't "use a user name like you". I have no problem using my own name.

Do please tell what your excuse is?
No, I'm not KWatt-Lown (that's the second time you have misread it) It is actually KWyatt-Lown (as per my postings). No, I don't "use a user name like you". I have no problem using my own name. Do please tell what your excuse is? KWyatt-Lown
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1:40pm Wed 7 Nov 12

jen68 says...

Sorry but I think the new Tesco is rubbish. Its not really big enough to be referred to as a "megastore" or "superstore". Maybe I am hard to please but I expected more. I don't think it has improved the area and I would still need to use my car to do a weekly shop so will stick to Sainsburys. Why couldn't we have had an M&S (there is one for miles!) or Waitrose? As for local takeaways losing out on lunchtime custom from schoolkids - the pupils from Highams Park school are not allowed to exit the school grounds at lunchtime.
Sorry but I think the new Tesco is rubbish. Its not really big enough to be referred to as a "megastore" or "superstore". Maybe I am hard to please but I expected more. I don't think it has improved the area and I would still need to use my car to do a weekly shop so will stick to Sainsburys. Why couldn't we have had an M&S (there is one for miles!) or Waitrose? As for local takeaways losing out on lunchtime custom from schoolkids - the pupils from Highams Park school are not allowed to exit the school grounds at lunchtime. jen68
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4:22pm Wed 7 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Come on Cornbeefur. You've been posting elsewhere this afternoon but don't seem able to answer my question.
Come on Cornbeefur. You've been posting elsewhere this afternoon but don't seem able to answer my question. KWyatt-Lown
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7:45pm Wed 7 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Really Cornbeefur. You've had seven hours. It's not a difficult question.
Really Cornbeefur. You've had seven hours. It's not a difficult question. KWyatt-Lown
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8:27am Fri 9 Nov 12

Laurance O'Neill says...

During the great debate about a Tesco in Highams Park the issue of HP being turned into a ghost town with the existing shops closing and there being many empty/disused shops was often raised.

It would seem as though Tesco have taken this on board in their planning and imported their own….The number of new retail spaces below the new Tesco is already a ghost town by the look of the uptake on the number of new shops…a possible Subway? It looks set to remain so.

Add these to the empty retail outlets below the new flats on the old car park site Highams Park has truly become a ghost town, albeit a new and shiny modern one.
During the great debate about a Tesco in Highams Park the issue of HP being turned into a ghost town with the existing shops closing and there being many empty/disused shops was often raised. It would seem as though Tesco have taken this on board in their planning and imported their own….The number of new retail spaces below the new Tesco is already a ghost town by the look of the uptake on the number of new shops…a possible Subway? It looks set to remain so. Add these to the empty retail outlets below the new flats on the old car park site Highams Park has truly become a ghost town, albeit a new and shiny modern one. Laurance O'Neill
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1:14pm Fri 9 Nov 12

stickmanny says...

KW - total genius!
KW - total genius! stickmanny
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6:01pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
KW - total genius!
Ok lads lets not compare bratwurst yet.

My name like KWatts is my name.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: KW - total genius![/p][/quote]Ok lads lets not compare bratwurst yet. My name like KWatts is my name. Cornbeefur
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6:34pm Fri 9 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time.

For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?
Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time. For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply. I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it? KWyatt-Lown
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12:40pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time.

For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?
I am using my own name like you are, we must be the only two
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time. For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply. I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?[/p][/quote]I am using my own name like you are, we must be the only two Cornbeefur
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9:23am Sun 11 Nov 12

stickmanny says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time.

For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?
I am using my own name like you are, we must be the only two
someone is lying
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Corbeefur. Please don't be so discourteous as to get my name wrong a second time. For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply. I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?[/p][/quote]I am using my own name like you are, we must be the only two[/p][/quote]someone is lying stickmanny
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9:11pm Sun 11 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

You may possibly be correct stickmanny. But, as a trustee of Waltham Forest Arts Council (Apex Arts) a past Chair of the Metropolitan Police Community Safety Board and longstanding chair of the North Chingford Community Council, my own name is easy enough to check through local records. So, I’m afraid it isn’t me.
You may possibly be correct stickmanny. But, as a trustee of Waltham Forest Arts Council (Apex Arts) a past Chair of the Metropolitan Police Community Safety Board and longstanding chair of the North Chingford Community Council, my own name is easy enough to check through local records. So, I’m afraid it isn’t me. KWyatt-Lown
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10:46pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
You may possibly be correct stickmanny. But, as a trustee of Waltham Forest Arts Council (Apex Arts) a past Chair of the Metropolitan Police Community Safety Board and longstanding chair of the North Chingford Community Council, my own name is easy enough to check through local records. So, I’m afraid it isn’t me.
My Dad is bigger than your Dad.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: You may possibly be correct stickmanny. But, as a trustee of Waltham Forest Arts Council (Apex Arts) a past Chair of the Metropolitan Police Community Safety Board and longstanding chair of the North Chingford Community Council, my own name is easy enough to check through local records. So, I’m afraid it isn’t me.[/p][/quote]My Dad is bigger than your Dad. Cornbeefur
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4:11am Mon 12 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Cornbeefur;I will just repeat my ealier posting:

"For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?”
Cornbeefur;I will just repeat my ealier posting: "For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply. I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?” KWyatt-Lown
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6:25am Mon 12 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Cornbeefur;I will just repeat my ealier posting:

"For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?”
KWatts, I have replied.

See above.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Cornbeefur;I will just repeat my ealier posting: "For someone as active a poster as you I’m most surprised it has taken you over two days to come up with a non-reply. I’ll ask you again; why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?”[/p][/quote]KWatts, I have replied. See above. Cornbeefur
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11:08am Mon 12 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Cornbeefur;

You have posted but you have not answered the questions;
"why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?”

I'm still waiting for an answer.
Cornbeefur; You have posted but you have not answered the questions; "why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?” I'm still waiting for an answer. KWyatt-Lown
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1:52pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
Cornbeefur;

You have posted but you have not answered the questions;
"why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?”

I'm still waiting for an answer.
Have you asked every other contributor the same question? What are trying to achieve, a Paxman?

I have answered like I say.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: Cornbeefur; You have posted but you have not answered the questions; "why do you have a problem using your own name and, indeed, since I have been honest and open with you, what is it?” I'm still waiting for an answer.[/p][/quote]Have you asked every other contributor the same question? What are trying to achieve, a Paxman? I have answered like I say. Cornbeefur
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2:38pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

cornbfur, no you haven't. The question was........"why do you have a problem using your own name". Easy enough to answer!
cornbfur, no you haven't. The question was........"why do you have a problem using your own name". Easy enough to answer! Isaythat
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5:17pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
cornbfur, no you haven't. The question was........"why do you have a problem using your own name". Easy enough to answer!
Oh Isayisayisay, but I do, do you do too?
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: cornbfur, no you haven't. The question was........"why do you have a problem using your own name". Easy enough to answer![/p][/quote]Oh Isayisayisay, but I do, do you do too? Cornbeefur
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5:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

Cornbeefur: I am asking these questions of you, and no one else, simply because you are the only person to question my integrity; “I use a user name like you or are you really Mr KWatt-Lown? please tell?” And suggested I hide behind a “user name like you”.

You demanded a response. I gave you an open and honest answer. I have nothing to hide and you know who I am. All I am asking is that you similarly respect my questions to you, about who you really are and why you hide behind your “user name”. Your responses, thus far, are not answers to these very simple questions.
Cornbeefur: I am asking these questions of you, and no one else, simply because you are the only person to question my integrity; “I use a user name like you or are you really Mr KWatt-Lown? please tell?” And suggested I hide behind a “user name like you”. You demanded a response. I gave you an open and honest answer. I have nothing to hide and you know who I am. All I am asking is that you similarly respect my questions to you, about who you really are and why you hide behind your “user name”. Your responses, thus far, are not answers to these very simple questions. KWyatt-Lown
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7:05pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

I do not like the tone of your voice Sir, all you need is a swinging light bulb and we are on callan

My name is Mister Cornbeefur, it is on by Birth Certificate.

I did not realise I was answerable to you.
I do not like the tone of your voice Sir, all you need is a swinging light bulb and we are on callan My name is Mister Cornbeefur, it is on by Birth Certificate. I did not realise I was answerable to you. Cornbeefur
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10:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

I hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions.

Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer.
I hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions. Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer. KWyatt-Lown
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10:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
I hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions.

Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer.
You are now eligible for a Great Bore of Today Award, congratulations Mr Klown-Latte
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: I hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions. Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer.[/p][/quote]You are now eligible for a Great Bore of Today Award, congratulations Mr Klown-Latte Cornbeefur
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2:19am Tue 13 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions.

Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer.”
hardly think there is anything in my posting to cause you concern or to respond in such a hostile way. You have previously asserted yourself that you choose to use a “user name” so, it’s not unreasonable to accept the fact that Cornbeefur is not, in fact, a real name at all. All I continue to ask is for a civil response to two simple questions. Please extend the courtesy I gave you and provide an open and honest answer.” KWyatt-Lown
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5:56pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Hex, E11 says...

For the benefit of any readers happening across these comments, a brief history of "Cornbeefur": http://downlode.org/
Miscellany/Waltham-F
orest-troll.html
For the benefit of any readers happening across these comments, a brief history of "Cornbeefur": http://downlode.org/ Miscellany/Waltham-F orest-troll.html Hex, E11
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7:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12

stickmanny says...

make a complaint against malicious posters to the editor. there is a Contact Us link at the bottom of this page.
make a complaint against malicious posters to the editor. there is a Contact Us link at the bottom of this page. stickmanny
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