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Signs but no bin near forest in Thornwood

A FOREST walker sick of picking up dog waste near her home has demanded the council install proper bins.

Fiona Daniels, 46, from Thornwood, Epping, said Epping Forest District Council had erected a number of signs asking dog walkers to bin their waste but provided no actual bins to put the waste in.

She said: “There's a path at Woodside that leads to the forest and by the signs that say 'Dog Fouling: Bin It' there's dog poo everywhere. I have to go round picking it up. It's disgusting.

“Children queue for the school bus on the pavement in Duck Lane beside this filthy, dangerous excrement. There's dog poo outside people's houses and you see old people who have to pick it up. It's not very nice.”

Ms Daniels wrote to the council explaining the situation but was told that a new bin would be too expensive and the situation did not merit one.

Assistant director for neighbourhoods Jim Nolan writes in his reply: “The provision, maintenance and emptying of these bins is a considerable expense to the authority, and is not a statutory requirement.”

Mr Nolan also states that the council cannot place bins on forest land as it is governed by the Corporation of London.

His reply has not satisfied Ms Daniels who is now threatening to raise a petition on the subject.

She said: “I have asked the old people in the cottages who proudly maintain their gardens, and have been told they are sick and tired of excrement on their verges.

“The council have got so many signs telling you to bin dog waste but you'd have to carry it a quarter of a mile to do that. I just think that's unreasonable.”

A spokeswoman for The Corporation of London said: "The City of London works with all neighbouring boroughs on waste management strategy. Redbridge and Waltham Forest Councils have placed both dog bins and bins in general on Forest land. We welcome input from the Epping Forest District Council and should they approach us we would certainly consider their requests.

"There have also been trialing areas combining general waste and dog waste in the same bin and if successful we may extend that to other areas in the Forest"

A spokeswoman for Epping Forest District Council said: "The notice which is referred to is not a sign telling people to put their waste in the dog bin. It is a poster which encourages people to 'bag it and bin it'.

"The area where fouling takes place is actually Forest Land, which is not designated under the Dogs (Fouling of Land) Act. This means that owners cannot be issued with a fixed penalty notice for failing to clear up after their pet.

"The Council's Animal Welfare Officer has visited the area on several occasions and there is not a severe fouling problem currently in the surrounding streets. He will continue to monitor the situation.

"There is already a dog waste bin near the Village Hall and so it was felt that another bin was not necessary, (Each dog waste bin costs £250 to install and over £500 per year to empty). In addition dog owners can take their waste home and put it in their black wheelie bin or alternatively use any other litter bin."

Comments(3)

fjl says...
12:19pm Tue 10 Nov 09

I doubt very much that installing a bin would help the problem anyway. The problem would then be getting irresponsible dog owners to actually use them. The Roding Valley nature reserve and playing fields in Loughton have a number of the bins installed but you rarely see anyone using them. The amount of dog mess in the area is absolutely disgusting. The roads leading up to this area are used every day by parents and children heading to and from Whitebride school. I often see parents having to clean this muck off their children's shoes or their pram wheels. There are signs everywhere warning of fines if you let your dog foul the pavement but what is the point when no one enforces these rules. The council needs to arrange for wardens to actually visit these areas on a regular basis and start fining these selfish people. Only then will the problem start to improve.

Epping Forest District Council says...
10:24am Thu 12 Nov 09

The notice which is referred to is not a sign telling people to put their waste in the dog bin. It is a poster which encourages people to 'bag it and bin it'. The area where fouling takes place is actually Forest Land, which is not designated under the Dogs (Fouling of Land) Act. This means that owners cannot be issued with a fixed penalty notice for failing to clear up after their pet. The Council's Animal Welfare Officer has visited the area on several occasions and there is not a severe fouling problem currently in the surrounding streets. He will continue to monitor the situation. There is already a dog waste bin near the Village Hall and so it was felt that another bin was not necessary, (Each dog waste bin costs £250 to install and over £500 per year to empty). In addition dog owners can take their waste home and put it in their black wheelie bin or alternatively use any other litter bin.

Dave Cooper says...
10:44pm Fri 13 Nov 09

I am very much in agreement with Fiona Daniel's comments regarding dog fouling, the area that is referred to is adjacent to my home and the smell that comes from this constant fouling is very unpleasant. I am by no means a curtain twitcher but I have an unrestricted view along the forest entrance walkway and I can name every one of the culprits who allow their pets to foul without cleaning up after them. They all have the same strategy of pretending not to notice what the pet is doing.
They should be ashamed of themselves as so called pet lovers and adopt a responsible attitude.
As for EFDC it's the same old sob story regarding funds. This is no longer an excuse, you now have an invitation from the Corporation of London to liase with them concerning this problem, please act on it and get some authorisation to place doggie bins at strategic places in the forest. Grants are available from the corporation to help with the maintenance.

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