WALTHAM FOREST: High-profile Lib Dems join Labour

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Keith Rayner said the Lib Dems have sold out Keith Rayner said the Lib Dems have sold out

THE former Liberal Democrat leader on the council has joined the Labour, saying his former party has ‘sold out’ by joining the Conservatives in a coalition government.

Keith Rayner, former deputy leader of the authority, has urged other Lib Dems to turn their backs on the party.

He said: “I was a member of the Liberal Democrats for 28 years and I think that they have truly sold out and are no longer the progressives in British politics.

“I want to carry on doing the best I can for our community in Waltham Forest and the Labour Party is the only party committed to the interests of ordinary people.”

Former Walthamstow councillor and prospective Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate for Enfield, Johar Khan, has also joined Labour.

Both men say they applied for membership before May 5, which saw the Lib Dems suffer disastrous local election results.

Mr Kahn said: “The disastrous results last week for the Liberal Democrats show that the Lib Dems are completely out of touch and have let down everyone who voted for them last year.

“I am proud to join the Labour Party which is the only party that stands for social justice in Britain & will continue to work for our community in Waltham Forest.”

The Liberal Democrat group in April denied rumours that two of its councillors were on the brink of defecting to Labour.

Johar Khan was the deputy leader of the Lib Dems during a internal power struggle on the eve of last year’s election, which saw leader John Macklin and cabinet member Bob Belam opt to stand as independents.

Labour then comfortably took overall control of the council.

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7:23pm Mon 9 May 11

mdj says...

So is this an admission at last that the 'power struggle' inside the Lib Dems before the last election was in fact deliberate sabotage of a party that seemed set to make significant gains? If both applied to join Labour before the election in which they stood against Labour, does this invalidate the election? What was such an action but electoral fraud, by taking votes under a false flag? How can these people talk about 'selling out'?
Many strange things happened last May 5th: a percentage vote for the local election higher than for the national one, when everyone is bemoaning the supposed apathy of the electorate, and a turn-out in one ward of 105% of the registered voters, which not a single Councillor or party agent queried on the day. Does anyone else out there smell bananas?
So is this an admission at last that the 'power struggle' inside the Lib Dems before the last election was in fact deliberate sabotage of a party that seemed set to make significant gains? If both applied to join Labour before the election in which they stood against Labour, does this invalidate the election? What was such an action but electoral fraud, by taking votes under a false flag? How can these people talk about 'selling out'? Many strange things happened last May 5th: a percentage vote for the local election higher than for the national one, when everyone is bemoaning the supposed apathy of the electorate, and a turn-out in one ward of 105% of the registered voters, which not a single Councillor or party agent queried on the day. Does anyone else out there smell bananas? mdj
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8:00pm Mon 9 May 11

inézc says...

Good for Mr Rayner. I stood as prospective councillor for the LibDems 4 times where I live, but after May 2010 I disassociated myself from the party; I thought their actions in joining the coalition were despicable. I also did not want people who had voted for me (yes quite a few did!) to have given me their vote as a LibDem only for me to be Toryfied by the actions of their leader. Fortunately I wasn't elected, as this would have been untenable for me. I have now joined the Labour Party having voted Labour until 2005 (Mr Blair and the war having finally done it for me). I know that politics is about compromise and I am prepared to compromise but there is a point beyond which I will not go, and the "power at any price" ethos was that point. I joined Labour in early April 2011, having for personal reasons demurred until then on the "wait and see" basis. However I went on the march on 26 March in Central London against the proposed cuts to legal aid and I finally realised that I could never look myself, or any of my clients in the eye again if I didn't do something.
Good for Mr Rayner. I stood as prospective councillor for the LibDems 4 times where I live, but after May 2010 I disassociated myself from the party; I thought their actions in joining the coalition were despicable. I also did not want people who had voted for me (yes quite a few did!) to have given me their vote as a LibDem only for me to be Toryfied by the actions of their leader. Fortunately I wasn't elected, as this would have been untenable for me. I have now joined the Labour Party having voted Labour until 2005 (Mr Blair and the war having finally done it for me). I know that politics is about compromise and I am prepared to compromise but there is a point beyond which I will not go, and the "power at any price" ethos was that point. I joined Labour in early April 2011, having for personal reasons demurred until then on the "wait and see" basis. However I went on the march on 26 March in Central London against the proposed cuts to legal aid and I finally realised that I could never look myself, or any of my clients in the eye again if I didn't do something. inézc
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10:05pm Mon 9 May 11

Joe Swayton says...

Usual old tale with the Liberals, no commitment, do with the flow.
Usual old tale with the Liberals, no commitment, do with the flow. Joe Swayton
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10:18pm Mon 9 May 11

Jane D. says...

I think, MDJ, that you may have misunderstood when these two men are claiming they applied to join the Labour Party. I think they are saying it was before May 5th THIS YEAR (when there were elections in other parts of the country) and not last May (when the elections took place on May 6th).
I think, MDJ, that you may have misunderstood when these two men are claiming they applied to join the Labour Party. I think they are saying it was before May 5th THIS YEAR (when there were elections in other parts of the country) and not last May (when the elections took place on May 6th). Jane D.
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10:29pm Mon 9 May 11

Brisbane says...

So these oh-so-brave Lib Dems have deserted at the first sign of trouble - to the party that built up the deficit in the first place. How spineless.
So these oh-so-brave Lib Dems have deserted at the first sign of trouble - to the party that built up the deficit in the first place. How spineless. Brisbane
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11:55pm Mon 9 May 11

mdj says...

Thanks Jane D, I may have misread that point: it doesn't alter the very strange sense of behind-the scenes deals in this Borough that undermine any idea that we, the voters, have any control over events. If you decide to change parties, surely the best thing to offer is a period of silence, not to accuse other people of selling out? What was Mr Khan's motive in pressing to deselect long- serving members of his own party, when some suspected at the time he was already planning to leave?
Thanks Jane D, I may have misread that point: it doesn't alter the very strange sense of behind-the scenes deals in this Borough that undermine any idea that we, the voters, have any control over events. If you decide to change parties, surely the best thing to offer is a period of silence, not to accuse other people of selling out? What was Mr Khan's motive in pressing to deselect long- serving members of his own party, when some suspected at the time he was already planning to leave? mdj
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11:27am Tue 10 May 11

James O'Rourke says...

Khan's defection to Labour is old news. I have it on good authority that Khan contacted the Labour Party about joining them within days of his election defeat in May 2010. The Labour leader in Waltham Forest suggested he stayed with the Lib Dems or waited to join the Labour Party.
The irony of Khan's defection is not lost on me given that he and his lemming cronies - Wheatley, Ahmed, Hussain, Meiszner et al - kicked me out of the Liberal Democrats last June for speaking out against their 'questionable practices' of deselecting three prominent and competent sitting Councillors in favour of a candidate who had not been approved for a target seat.
When I spoke to a current Labour cabinet member last year he said that "Labour's mole in the Liberal Democrats had worked".
As for Khan's statement that " will continue to work for our community in Waltham Forest" I wish the Labour party the best of luck. When he and I were Councillors in High Street ward he did sod all.
Hopefully, Khan the 'double agent' will destroy Labour in his **** for political power.
Khan's defection to Labour is old news. I have it on good authority that Khan contacted the Labour Party about joining them within days of his election defeat in May 2010. The Labour leader in Waltham Forest suggested he stayed with the Lib Dems or waited to join the Labour Party. The irony of Khan's defection is not lost on me given that he and his lemming cronies - Wheatley, Ahmed, Hussain, Meiszner et al - kicked me out of the Liberal Democrats last June for speaking out against their 'questionable practices' of deselecting three prominent and competent sitting Councillors in favour of a candidate who had not been approved for a target seat. When I spoke to a current Labour cabinet member last year he said that "Labour's mole in the Liberal Democrats had worked". As for Khan's statement that "[He] will continue to work for our community in Waltham Forest" I wish the Labour party the best of luck. When he and I were Councillors in High Street ward he did sod all. Hopefully, Khan the 'double agent' will destroy Labour in his **** for political power. James O'Rourke
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11:31am Tue 10 May 11

James O'Rourke says...

The asterisked word is ****!!!
The asterisked word is ****!!! James O'Rourke
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11:44am Tue 10 May 11

James O'Rourke says...

The asterisked word is must with a l!!!
The asterisked word is must with a l!!! James O'Rourke
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6:25pm Tue 10 May 11

NT says...

Its nice to hear from you, James.
Your allegations about moles are thought provoking, and I hope that you also now speak out about your work attempting to limit slum landlords, not least because their unsavoury activities, needless to say, still continue.
Its nice to hear from you, James. Your allegations about moles are thought provoking, and I hope that you also now speak out about your work attempting to limit slum landlords, not least because their unsavoury activities, needless to say, still continue. NT
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8:01pm Tue 10 May 11

James O'Rourke says...

NT wrote:
Its nice to hear from you, James.
Your allegations about moles are thought provoking, and I hope that you also now speak out about your work attempting to limit slum landlords, not least because their unsavoury activities, needless to say, still continue.
Thank you Nick.
Am happy to meet to discuss your thoughts on the matter
[quote][p][bold]NT[/bold] wrote: Its nice to hear from you, James. Your allegations about moles are thought provoking, and I hope that you also now speak out about your work attempting to limit slum landlords, not least because their unsavoury activities, needless to say, still continue.[/p][/quote]Thank you Nick. Am happy to meet to discuss your thoughts on the matter James O'Rourke
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9:03pm Tue 10 May 11

everoptimistic says...

Shame about Keith Rayner - he was a good Lib Dem councillor. Perhaps he is missing the power and perhaps there is a sniff of a by-election coming up. Johar Khan will probably not be missed though.
Shame about Keith Rayner - he was a good Lib Dem councillor. Perhaps he is missing the power and perhaps there is a sniff of a by-election coming up. Johar Khan will probably not be missed though. everoptimistic
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